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Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English was when he started at PC a couple of years later. Who knows what Christophe meant by that. Unless he had an interpreter doing the track walk with him, what MC took as a "you are shitting me, that's impossible " might have been an "that's impossible for me to do"
And seeing how MC trained Jessy James for his "Jessy James must die" episode I'm not sure MC is a very good judge of other people abilities. What might look routine to him, (especially with his experience on that track) might have been quite a different story for a kid who had never ridden a US SX track before.
Bottom line, they don't like each others. So what?
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12/10/2010 9:32pm
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Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English...
Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English was when he started at PC a couple of years later. Who knows what Christophe meant by that. Unless he had an interpreter doing the track walk with him, what MC took as a "you are shitting me, that's impossible " might have been an "that's impossible for me to do"
And seeing how MC trained Jessy James for his "Jessy James must die" episode I'm not sure MC is a very good judge of other people abilities. What might look routine to him, (especially with his experience on that track) might have been quite a different story for a kid who had never ridden a US SX track before.
Bottom line, they don't like each others. So what?
This guy knows what's up.

People underestimate the language barrier.

Plus MC's got a huge ego to try not to trip over. He hates to see some new stallion come along...
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MC has nothing to fear, stallion wise from CP.

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mc just coming down?....lol

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mjskier wrote: Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English was when he started at PC a couple of years later. Who knows what Christophe meant by that. Unless he had an interpreter doing the track walk with him, what MC took as a "you are shitting me, that's impossible " might have been an "that's impossible for me to do"


Yeah, Could've been a lost in translation moment....
"That's impossible" - as in "that's amazing" !
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12/11/2010 12:46am
Blake wrote:
Matthes MC Podcast.

Awesome. I was LMAO on the Pourcel part. Good stuff.

I just try to make it clear that I am just stating my opinion on the matter. Of course I'm making assumptions. I thought these topics were posted for us to read and respond with our opinions. Considering not one single person on here actually knows what CP's contract negotiations were like, everyone here is making assumptions. The difference is whether or not people go around stating assumptions as facts rather than simply their opinion of what they think might have gone down.
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12/11/2010 3:57am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2010 8:01am
101 wrote:
[b]mjskier wrote:[/b] Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad...
mjskier wrote: Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English was when he started at PC a couple of years later. Who knows what Christophe meant by that. Unless he had an interpreter doing the track walk with him, what MC took as a "you are shitting me, that's impossible " might have been an "that's impossible for me to do"


Yeah, Could've been a lost in translation moment....
"That's impossible" - as in "that's amazing" !
Being French, that's how I would have understood it... I just can't see anybody say to McGrath "Nope, you cannot do that, it's impossible..."
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12/11/2010 5:19am
Didn't listen to it. But the riders need to be themselves more comment is right on. They are so trained to be puppets for their sponsors, none of their personality comes through. I really like the F1 format, after the race the top three drivers sit down, answer intelligent questions & have time to ellaborate - their personality comes through much more.
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CR250Rider wrote:
MC has nothing to fear, stallion wise from CP.

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12/11/2010 7:03am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2010 7:32am
jesus h. did i miss on the podcasts where MC said "CP sucks as a person, as a rider and his mother wears combat boots"?



i thought MC simply commented that he thought the way CP went about getting a ride for this season was a bad idea and a bad business decision. a simple opinion held by many, including myself.



yes CP had a very traumatic accident. it could have ended his career. it didnt. moving on to present. i doubt the kid has enough money to sit back and do nothing the rest of his life, so his options are: ride a dirtbike and make money or get a real job, period. you can play chicken with potential employers about your salary but in the end you gotta ride or you gotta work. if the risks of riding dont seem worth the money then you gotta work a real job, its simple. sitting out this season is not going to get him the money he is looking for next year as a rider, period.



so the option is take less pay to ride, get some results, win some races, take your lumps for your rookie season in the big bike class. prove yourself and possibly bank next year or sit and be in the same place you are now next year. which seems wiser business wise?



i believe this what MC is knocking CP for. Sitting at home isnt going to accomplish his goal and if he doesnt see that then he is clueless. If the risk is to great then go get a desk job. sitting on the couch for a year isnt going to make him worth what he wanted this year, but it may in fact make him worth less.



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101 wrote:
[b]mjskier wrote:[/b] Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad...
mjskier wrote: Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English was when he started at PC a couple of years later. Who knows what Christophe meant by that. Unless he had an interpreter doing the track walk with him, what MC took as a "you are shitting me, that's impossible " might have been an "that's impossible for me to do"


Yeah, Could've been a lost in translation moment....
"That's impossible" - as in "that's amazing" !
TMV wrote:
Being French, that's how I would have understood it... I just can't see anybody say to McGrath "Nope, you cannot do that, it's impossible..."
yup!
CP couldn´t even do a GP post race interview in English at the time, so this seems like a language issue. He couldn´t even form an English sentence back then.
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What Pourcel implied was that McGrath didn't understand the risk/reward equation involved in the sport. Obviously, he does. No one can hear a doctor tell them...
What Pourcel implied was that McGrath didn't understand the risk/reward equation involved in the sport. Obviously, he does. No one can hear a doctor tell them that their neck is broken and not understand how it could have been so much more horribly wrong had he have landed just a few centimeters differently.

None of that discounts Pourcels injury. It just shows that one doesn't need to have had the exact same injury as he had in order to understand the dangers involved in the sport. .
ya cuz breaking a vertebrae really opens up your mind up to all the complications with paralysis.

you sir are an ignorant moron


MC is a bad dude but if you havent been in CP's shoes then you cant give input on his decisions.
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Blake wrote:
Matthes MC Podcast.

Awesome. I was LMAO on the Pourcel part. Good stuff.

APLMAN99 wrote:
I didn't get a chance to hear the whole thing, but yeah the Pourcel part was a bit weird. Did Pourcel really basically say that McGrath...
I didn't get a chance to hear the whole thing, but yeah the Pourcel part was a bit weird. Did Pourcel really basically say that McGrath didn't know what he was talking about because he'd never really been badly injured?

If I remember correctly, MC broke his neck once. The fractured hip wasn't exactly a walk in the park either, I think.
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Actually, wasn't it a dislocated hip?
My mistake. Yep, dislocated.
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What Pourcel implied was that McGrath didn't understand the risk/reward equation involved in the sport. Obviously, he does. No one can hear a doctor tell them...
What Pourcel implied was that McGrath didn't understand the risk/reward equation involved in the sport. Obviously, he does. No one can hear a doctor tell them that their neck is broken and not understand how it could have been so much more horribly wrong had he have landed just a few centimeters differently.

None of that discounts Pourcels injury. It just shows that one doesn't need to have had the exact same injury as he had in order to understand the dangers involved in the sport. .
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ya cuz breaking a vertebrae really opens up your mind up to all the complications with paralysis. you sir are an ignorant moron MC is a...
ya cuz breaking a vertebrae really opens up your mind up to all the complications with paralysis.

you sir are an ignorant moron


MC is a bad dude but if you havent been in CP's shoes then you cant give input on his decisions.
Yes, breaking some bones in your neck would definitely open up your mind to the complication of paralysis, especially when one of your best friends suffered a serious spinal injury (Button).

Perhaps your own ignorance is showing?
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12/11/2010 4:48pm
The best podcast. Could there be a opinion that matters more than MC's? This guy knows. I love the part about having a good attitude. Some of the current riders need to listen to this.
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Blake wrote:
Matthes MC Podcast.

Awesome. I was LMAO on the Pourcel part. Good stuff.

He didn't just speak, he put the smack down on several guys. He's not a fan of CP...

Jeremy has earned the right to speak his mind and I have to say I pretty much agreed with all of what he said.
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Yes, breaking some bones in your neck would definitely open up your mind to the complication of paralysis, especially when one of your best friends suffered...
Yes, breaking some bones in your neck would definitely open up your mind to the complication of paralysis, especially when one of your best friends suffered a serious spinal injury (Button).

Perhaps your own ignorance is showing?
ya and since my buddy had cancer i can understand his entire struggle. not really.

to further elaborate my point, take a listen to buttons podcast and then get back to me homeboy.


i miss the 90s, before every idiot like you got online.
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Yes, breaking some bones in your neck would definitely open up your mind to the complication of paralysis, especially when one of your best friends suffered...
Yes, breaking some bones in your neck would definitely open up your mind to the complication of paralysis, especially when one of your best friends suffered a serious spinal injury (Button).

Perhaps your own ignorance is showing?
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ya and since my buddy had cancer i can understand his entire struggle. not really. to further elaborate my point, take a listen to buttons podcast...
ya and since my buddy had cancer i can understand his entire struggle. not really.

to further elaborate my point, take a listen to buttons podcast and then get back to me homeboy.


i miss the 90s, before every idiot like you got online.
McGrath has had his share of injuries and being that McGrath rides, he can understand where CP is coming from and the reward/risk factor. Your cancer analogy is bad since cancer strikes without bias and isn't the same as the EQUAL risk that riders take when riding/racing. Stop calling people names, it's mean.
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Well i can say this I wasn't there to verify what Pourcel meant by IMPOSSIBLE that day to MC at the Honda track but if he doesnt suck it up and ride the 11 SX series i would say its a good assumption a factory ride will be IMPOSSIBLE for him to land in 2012. Opinions are like Bung holes around here though we all got em!!!
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The best podcast. Could there be a opinion that matters more than MC's? This guy knows. I love the part about having a good attitude. Some...
The best podcast. Could there be a opinion that matters more than MC's? This guy knows. I love the part about having a good attitude. Some of the current riders need to listen to this.
I'd say CP's opinion is really the only one that matters when it comes to this subject and as much as MC was my hero as a kid, i think he's been more than a little disrespectful towards Christophe by airing dirty laundry in public. I've heard enough bullshit about him being the "Crafty" Frenchman or having a poor attitude, when really he's just a shy guy.

Jesus, i don't know why everybody in here is getting their knickers in a twist over whether he races next season or not, or whether he waited too long to sign or was too greedy in salary negotitations....

While everybody's posting speculative bollocks online, he's in Chamonix, having fun with his mates on his snowboard. When he wants the public to know his intentions, they'll know......






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Well i can say this I wasn't there to verify what Pourcel meant by IMPOSSIBLE that day to MC at the Honda track but if he...
Well i can say this I wasn't there to verify what Pourcel meant by IMPOSSIBLE that day to MC at the Honda track but if he doesnt suck it up and ride the 11 SX series i would say its a good assumption a factory ride will be IMPOSSIBLE for him to land in 2012. Opinions are like Bung holes around here though we all got em!!!
Thats nonsense.

The salary negotiation's are only a smal part of this. He's only recently been released from his rehab centre in france, he's not going to be at A1 and not going to be on a US factory bike for '11.

If he's not in the mix for the championship i don't see him doing any AMA SX to make up the numbers and if you'd been on the best bike in it's class for the past 2 seasons would you be willing to go onto anything other than factory equipment?

If i was a team manager, i'd rather have a healthy CP in 2012 than a recovering CP in 2011, no matter the salary. What he does in 2011, i couldn't give a shit about. He's proven in the past that he's come back from a full season off, with no loss of speed, to dominate.
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Mikep147 wrote:
Well i can say this I wasn't there to verify what Pourcel meant by IMPOSSIBLE that day to MC at the Honda track but if he...
Well i can say this I wasn't there to verify what Pourcel meant by IMPOSSIBLE that day to MC at the Honda track but if he doesnt suck it up and ride the 11 SX series i would say its a good assumption a factory ride will be IMPOSSIBLE for him to land in 2012. Opinions are like Bung holes around here though we all got em!!!
Ewan wrote:
Thats nonsense. The salary negotiation's are only a smal part of this. He's only recently been released from his rehab centre in france, he's not going...
Thats nonsense.

The salary negotiation's are only a smal part of this. He's only recently been released from his rehab centre in france, he's not going to be at A1 and not going to be on a US factory bike for '11.

If he's not in the mix for the championship i don't see him doing any AMA SX to make up the numbers and if you'd been on the best bike in it's class for the past 2 seasons would you be willing to go onto anything other than factory equipment?

If i was a team manager, i'd rather have a healthy CP in 2012 than a recovering CP in 2011, no matter the salary. What he does in 2011, i couldn't give a shit about. He's proven in the past that he's come back from a full season off, with no loss of speed, to dominate.
Salary negotiations are a small part of this are you kidding me WOW. If that was the case i think we all wouldn't be on here talking this BS and Pourcel would be well into testing with his FACTORY team by now as if he would have accepted the offers put in front of him he would have had the best equipment and had the best chance this season.Don't get me wrong i come from the era where i grew up watching MC and even further back than that and MC will always be a hero to me but when i learned Pourcel wasn't riding i was upset because of the pure talent this guy has and i really thought he would bring some excitement to the 450 class this season.But saying this is nonsense no not really im just saying what i see in front of me.The truth.
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McGrath has had his share of injuries and being that McGrath rides, he can understand where CP is coming from and the reward/risk factor. Your cancer...
McGrath has had his share of injuries and being that McGrath rides, he can understand where CP is coming from and the reward/risk factor. Your cancer analogy is bad since cancer strikes without bias and isn't the same as the EQUAL risk that riders take when riding/racing. Stop calling people names, it's mean.
ya the RISK is equal but their PERSPECTIVE is not. until you personally live it, you dont understand it. period.

once again, listen to the podcast with button before you act all tough BJ.

ill quit the name calling, when you guys start making rational posts.


feel free to respond with another dumb comment like you always do tho.
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You're confusing what prevented him signing with a team 4 months ago and what's holding him back right now.

The injury; loss of the national championship, again, and the realisation that rehabilitation would hinder preparation for SX in '11. All of which supposedly hurt his chances against riders willing to ride for less, if you trully beleive he wanted so much more than his peers.

The truth is he has come back from a season off previously and waxed the field. If Mitch held him in such high regard and believed in him enough to keep a spot open, then is it not feasible to think that the others regard his talent in the same manner? Maybe with the exception of Honda, if you believe that he burned bridges there and depending on how much clout McGrath carries in terms of rider selection?

Dude, whether CP had signed this summer or not, right now he'd only be days into SX testing due to the shoulder rehab even if it's strong enough to ride, not weeks. I'd say thats a pretty decent factor in holding him back from getting on a team right now along with the fact the rigs are now populated, let alone lining up for A1.

He could do jack shit this spring, ride the French Elite series and select GP's for 2011, get 100% healthy again and i'd bet any US manager would love to have a talent like him on their team for 2012.

This time next year, there'll be factory team openings. I'm not saying he's going to get what he wanted salary wise but CP will get factory equipment if he wants to ride. That, i am sure of. And that's why i'm saying it's nonsense that if he sits out '11 he won't get factory equipment for 2012.
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12/12/2010 4:32pm
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McGrath has had his share of injuries and being that McGrath rides, he can understand where CP is coming from and the reward/risk factor. Your cancer...
McGrath has had his share of injuries and being that McGrath rides, he can understand where CP is coming from and the reward/risk factor. Your cancer analogy is bad since cancer strikes without bias and isn't the same as the EQUAL risk that riders take when riding/racing. Stop calling people names, it's mean.
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ya the RISK is equal but their PERSPECTIVE is not. until you personally live it, you dont understand it. period. once again, listen to the podcast...
ya the RISK is equal but their PERSPECTIVE is not. until you personally live it, you dont understand it. period.

once again, listen to the podcast with button before you act all tough BJ.

ill quit the name calling, when you guys start making rational posts.


feel free to respond with another dumb comment like you always do tho.
McGrath doesn't have to have the same injury as CP to understand the risks involved compared to the rewards. McGrath is a professional rider who has had to weigh the risks of his particular injuries against the rewards for riding and his future prospects. He was a payed athlete and understands the sport, the riders perspective, and the risks just as much as anyone.

I am a business owner and a recent friend of mine who is also a business owner filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy. I have not had the same financial issues as him, but being that we are in the same type of industry and being that the economy is hitting us both financially I can understand where he is coming from, why he is doing what he is doing and so on. The point is that I don't have to be in the same boat as him to understand the situation. McGrath is no different in that respect; he can understand the situation perfectly well and give an informed opinion.

As for your stupid comments and tough guy keyboard bravado....well I think you are like poop, only a bit more smelly.
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12/12/2010 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 12/12/2010 4:37pm
mjskier wrote:
Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English...
Interesting podcast, especially the "Impossible" part. That was before Christophe's accident so before he came to the US. And we all know how bad his English was when he started at PC a couple of years later. Who knows what Christophe meant by that. Unless he had an interpreter doing the track walk with him, what MC took as a "you are shitting me, that's impossible " might have been an "that's impossible for me to do"
And seeing how MC trained Jessy James for his "Jessy James must die" episode I'm not sure MC is a very good judge of other people abilities. What might look routine to him, (especially with his experience on that track) might have been quite a different story for a kid who had never ridden a US SX track before.
Bottom line, they don't like each others. So what?
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This guy knows what's up. People underestimate the language barrier. Plus MC's got a huge ego to try not to trip over. He hates to see...
This guy knows what's up.

People underestimate the language barrier.

Plus MC's got a huge ego to try not to trip over. He hates to see some new stallion come along...
Matthes said that McGrath was the complete opposite of what you are saying, and he knows the guy. Do you know McGrath?
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McGrath doesn't have to have the same injury as CP to understand the risks involved compared to the rewards. McGrath is a professional rider who has...
McGrath doesn't have to have the same injury as CP to understand the risks involved compared to the rewards. McGrath is a professional rider who has had to weigh the risks of his particular injuries against the rewards for riding and his future prospects. He was a payed athlete and understands the sport, the riders perspective, and the risks just as much as anyone.

I am a business owner and a recent friend of mine who is also a business owner filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy. I have not had the same financial issues as him, but being that we are in the same type of industry and being that the economy is hitting us both financially I can understand where he is coming from, why he is doing what he is doing and so on. The point is that I don't have to be in the same boat as him to understand the situation. McGrath is no different in that respect; he can understand the situation perfectly well and give an informed opinion.

As for your stupid comments and tough guy keyboard bravado....well I think you are like poop, only a bit more smelly.
how do you breathe and type at the same time? or do you breathe in between typing words?

the only thing lower than the valid points you made is your IQ.
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I like Pourcel, I think he adds a lot to our sport, he is a different cat with a different kind of personality, Its a nice...
I like Pourcel, I think he adds a lot to our sport, he is a different cat with a different kind of personality, Its a nice change to the same ole apple guys. His riding is incredible and he is a very bright guy.
As for Jeremy, holding a grudge over something so petty is a bit much. why would you want to make a public announcement that you don't like someone. Forgive and forget for crying out loud.
TerryB wrote:
RIght there. MC's ego is getting in the way.




BTW: Reed emulated Jeremy. That's where he learned to make excuses.



According to this site MC can:

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Billy Jack wrote:
McGrath doesn't have to have the same injury as CP to understand the risks involved compared to the rewards. McGrath is a professional rider who has...
McGrath doesn't have to have the same injury as CP to understand the risks involved compared to the rewards. McGrath is a professional rider who has had to weigh the risks of his particular injuries against the rewards for riding and his future prospects. He was a payed athlete and understands the sport, the riders perspective, and the risks just as much as anyone.

I am a business owner and a recent friend of mine who is also a business owner filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy. I have not had the same financial issues as him, but being that we are in the same type of industry and being that the economy is hitting us both financially I can understand where he is coming from, why he is doing what he is doing and so on. The point is that I don't have to be in the same boat as him to understand the situation. McGrath is no different in that respect; he can understand the situation perfectly well and give an informed opinion.

As for your stupid comments and tough guy keyboard bravado....well I think you are like poop, only a bit more smelly.
moto48 wrote:
how do you breathe and type at the same time? or do you breathe in between typing words? the only thing lower than the valid points...
how do you breathe and type at the same time? or do you breathe in between typing words?

the only thing lower than the valid points you made is your IQ.
Look, I know you probably have SW syndrome but try and stay on topic.
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I like Pourcel, I think he adds a lot to our sport, he is a different cat with a different kind of personality, Its a nice...
I like Pourcel, I think he adds a lot to our sport, he is a different cat with a different kind of personality, Its a nice change to the same ole apple guys. His riding is incredible and he is a very bright guy.
As for Jeremy, holding a grudge over something so petty is a bit much. why would you want to make a public announcement that you don't like someone. Forgive and forget for crying out loud.
TerryB wrote:
RIght there. MC's ego is getting in the way.




BTW: Reed emulated Jeremy. That's where he learned to make excuses.



jmar wrote:
According to this site MC can: [img]http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm20/cuteredboi78/59a0ad9fc15ee7e62b47ba33b2305521.jpg[/img]
According to this site MC can:

He has more room to say, do, and get what he wants than any of the posters here. Not only is his opinion more valid, he has the experience to back it up.

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