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It sounds like you were there did you do anything to help?
If they immediately stopped and red-flagged every crash or downed-rider, it would take hours to get through a moto. How could they possibly know that Aiden had such a serious injury that required such a drastic action as stopping the entire race?? It sounds like he tried to get up on his own, which probably indicated to the flagger(s) that he was relatively OK. How many times have we seen a crash in a race and the rider slowly gets up and gets back on his bike and finishes the race? More than likely, the flaggers assumed the aforementioned situation, and there wasn't a need to immediately stop the race. I can see why we are in the situation we are in with takes like this...the world is not a perfect place in which there are always going to be "flaggers" in the exact spot we are going to need them to ensure our safety. There is inherent risk everywhere, but there's extreme risk in motocross, no matter what safety measures we put in place. I agree that we shouldn't be complacent and simply say "motocross is dangerous, deal with it", but this idea that we can litigate our way to safer tracks is preposterous. I haven't seen one positive thing come from lawsuits brought against tracks. If this case is found to be negligence on the tracks part, we can say goodbye to motocross tracks. This was an unfortunate and tragic accident, one of which could happen if you had flaggers every 3 feet that were trained paramedics. Can Mammoth learn something from this and do a little better next time, possibly...but it is NOT negligence, ugh.
"Willful ignorance generally does not result in anything positive." - nor do lawsuits.
Man now you're really just talking out of your ass. Fox didn't require B riders to wear chest protectors in 2025 (youth riders had to per AMA rules), that choice was left up to the rider. Mammoth has some rocky roost so I can see why most opt for some form of roost guard.
I'm beginning to think Macduff is trolling here, which is sad. Isn't the flagging directly mentioned in the lawsuit? And the "four minutes to get to him" BS is directly contradicted, even in here by one of the announcers! But if we want to look at the timing to take an action / response, of what it actually takes to make a response vs some perfect world, sitting at a desk somewhere opinion, just watch the movie "Sully" with Tom Hanks. The government tried to hang the pilot for landing in the Hudson river, because their "Simulator rides" showed that he could have made it to an airport. But when they factored in the time it took to quickly analyze the situation and then take action, the simulator pilots were wrong and would have crashed into buildings on trying to land at an airport.
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I am definitely not trolling. Im genuinely emotionally invested in this and have been since word spread about what happened.
I’m playing devils advocate, if nothing else. You all seem to think the acceptance of risk and inherent danger absolves an entity from taking reasonable measures to ensure the safety of their participants and to avoid unnecessary and avoidable injury or death.
Crashing is not avoidable. The lawsuit asserts that safety measures would have created an avoidable situation following the crash. That is perfectly justifiable grounds for a lawsuit, especially if the entities involved in this willfully deceived the Zingg’s and the media to cover their asses from negligence. Especially if those entities are collectively working to protect their image more than the truth.
As a parent, I would demand the truth and if I had to sue someone to get it, I would.
I’m honestly perplexed why most don’t get this but I’m also not surprised at the same time. I get the love we have for motocross. Some sacrifice the well beings of their own families and children to participate in it.
Makes you wonder.
Macduff had an interesting take on inflatable chest and back protection, less than a year ago;
"“Common sense” doesn’t apply to uncommon things, like first generation torso airbags for cunts who are afraid of getting hurt in a sport that will hurt you if you fall. Why would you wear a loose fitting leather suit for the off chance you fall? The fear of falling has always been part of the thrill. Now we just have a bunch of cunts wrapped in inflatable balloons. Fucking cunts. Take a hit like a goddamn man."
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/airbag-lawsuit
Now that’s a good example of trolling and unabashed drunk-posting.
Aidan’s death sobered me up. It shouldn’t have happened. Period.
BUSTED !!! 🤣
By show of up and down votes, let’s have the esteemed VitalMX motocross community and collective spokespeople of the sport of motocross show the world just how much they care about children’s safety.
Thumbs up = meh, death happens. We all accept the risk. Aidan and his parents knew what he was signing up for.
Thumbs down = Aidan should not have died and measures are needed to impose change.
Go on and cast your votes motocross community! Cast those votes with unabashed passion. As much passion as you have for motocross inherent dangers.
Brother, I want to take you seriously, but look what you just wrote. "Crashing is not avoidable. The lawsuit asserts that safety measures would have created an avoidable situation following the crash. That is perfectly justifiable grounds for a lawsuit". What "Safety Measures" would have stopped the rider that hit him from hitting him? You have yet to present what exactly happened, but assume a whole lot in your positions, and chirp at everyone who correctly states that we accept the inherent risks involved with this sport. Please tell us what rider hit him, where was that rider when he hit him? What did he do to try and avoid him? And please educate us on what "safety measure" should have been in place right there that would have stopped this! And please tell me how every racer on the track strictly obeys the yellow flags anymore, especially these young kids in the B class! They never shut off when they see a yellow flag! How is that the fault of the promoters?
You aren't "emotionally invested" in anything. You're just plain emotional.
No matter the reason not a good look towards credibility.
Brother, The lawsuit asserts his death was avoidable. It’s articulated in very clear, plain English:
“After the initial crash, Aidan was conscious and attempting to get back to his feet. The race continued.
No caution flags were raised. No warnings were given to oncoming riders. Motorcycles continued to race at speed through the same section of the track while Aidan remained in harm’s way.
Aidan was struck after his fall. His racing gear showed visible impact damage, including a punctured chest protector. Despite life-saving efforts, he was later pronounced dead at Mammoth Hospital.”
That quote is from the lawsuit. Those are not my words. Aidan’s parents spoke with the racers that hit Aidan. Just stop and think about that for a second, or 60.
You are all accepting the death of a kid that could have been avoided with appropriate flagger placement in a section of course no one could see, even the racers behind Aidan.
Good luck to the defendants, and good luck to this sport.
Exactly how much time elapsed from his initial crash until he was struck by another rider? I don't see that articulated in the lawsuit.
How the fuck would anyone know that but the goddamn fucking kids that hit him?
THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with the sentiment, but I would imagine that is not really what is going on here. Imo they are trying to put the blame on someone/something else because they feel guilty. If you lost your child to something that you introduced your child to, it would be incredibly hard to deal with mentally. We naturally do these things as a form of self preservation. We would all like to think we wouldn't fall into that trap, but you don't know what that feels like unless you have been through it.
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A counter-argument to this would be, as a parent who introduced their child to an inherently dangerous sport, I would expect a reasonable level of safety to ensure my elite-level athlete child isn’t unnecessarily killed after an innocuous fall after a blind section of course not properly monitored by flaggers. And if my child’s only option is to wear a thin piece of foam around his chest, I would probably spend the rest of my waking days to force the industry and manufacturers to design more appropriate protection to protect vital organs.
At the very least, as a parent, I would demand the truth from the very organization(s) entrusted to protect my child. If they failed to do that you best be damned I would do whatever is in my power to make an impact.
Uh-oh, the other personality is coming out! LOL. Good grief, dude, chill...sometimes you're just wrong.
They could ask the flagger that witnessed the crash? Or do you only take the allegations of one side at face value?
No one saw Aidan crash, not even a flagger in a position to do anything about it, or those behind him.
Why didn't he wear one of these?
LOL
Do you have children? SMH
Myron Short, the race promoter, said Aidan’s death resulted from chest trauma.
"My flagger that witnessed it said he seen (Aidan Zingg) high-side flying through the air and hit the ground and he never gained consciousness at all. … Flaggers were all there on him, working on him doing CPR instantly. The flagger and the medics."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/motorsports/2025/07/01/motocross-star-aidan-zingg-death/84434666007/
So the racers that hit Aidan claimed that he was still conscious and moving and trying to get off the track and they hit him.
And the promoter claims a flagger saw Aidan never regain consciousness.
And now you understand why there’s a lawsuit.
If all of this ultimately proves to be true, not only can the promoter get fucked, but this whole sport can get fucked and all of you who are defending risk as a consequence of this sport can get fucked too.
dude, your absolutely right, as a parent I would want to know the truth. And as a racer myself, being around the sport my entire life, I also know the risk I put my child in, and aside from blatant track/promoter negligence, we accept the risk before we line up. Plain and simple. Spinning it is nothing more than grasping straws to point the finger at someone to relive the guilt of putting my kid in a dangerous position to begin with. If you are going to reap the benefits of this sport you better be ready to accept worst of it.
And if a jury finds no liability? Or if the family settles for a unspecified amount subject to a non-disclosure/non-disparagement agreement?
I suspect that if this were go to trial, it would be devastating for the sport and for the industry, so I don’t see that happening.
There will be a settlement and everyone will go on to live their lives and we will forget about this and another kid will die at some point and we’ll continue to accept that as a consequence of motocross because risk is fun and super cool and such.
Long live self-reliance and free-will and haphazard safety protocols for sanctioned motocross events.
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