Zingg Lawsuit

Geezuz...I feel for the kid and his family but damn, motocross as we know is dangerous. To go after the organization, track, staff etc ain't gonna bring him back.

One day we ain't going to have any tracks left.

Unfortunately that won’t bring the kid back , is just wrong! 

Are they related to the Taylors?

This one sounds like it's the family driving the case not insurance subrogation.

2X productions was also a Defendant in the Taylor/LACR lawsuit.

Disgusted by the Zingg family! We all know the risk….

This isn’t helping the positive narrative we all know exists in this sport and I can certainly understand the Zingg family wanting to do this in an effort to make the sport safer but unless there is some sort of major push to create a team of nationwide flaggers that are constantly being taught new protocols and are paid a decent wage, I just don’t see this changing anything. 

Were you there? Do you know all the details of what happened? IF it's true that no flaggers were present in the area, and he got run over multiple times when he should have been protected, then yes, I'd be suing the sh1t out of the organizers too. It's a dangerous sport, and poor track operations are often a contributing factor. Having raced Mammoth, one of the first things I saw was it's a tough track to cover and there are a lot of places where speeds are high but access to the track is difficult. Plus getting a seriously injured rider out of there could be very time consuming

There were several tracks we wouldn't ride due to the lack of reasonable safety protocols. One in particular ran w/o splits and had almost no flaggers and no it's not Glen Helen. The few they did have were usually stoned and on their phones most of the day too. 

We all know the risk. In fact, it's why we stopped. In the end, after too many broken bones and concussions, the risk far outweighed the reward.

We all know and have seen tons of negligence at tracks, be it not enough flaggers, unqualified or inexperienced flaggers, texting/distracted flaggers, dozers or side by side too close or on the track, dangerous obstacles, etc.  With that said, if moto track operators hired and trained superstar crews who know exactly what they are doing, and were paid enough to be focused all day, then track admission would be more than the cost of a $200 Mammoth lift ticket for the day.  

If everyone had a choice, would they like to pay $45 for the day with an inexperienced skeleton track crew, or pay $225 for the day with a polished/trained/sufficient track crew?   Race promoters would face the same issue as race entries would be quadruple of what they are now to have a "certified" track crew in place.  It's a fine line between keeping costs/entries down for the riders and keeping them safe on the track.  I reckon if practice days and race entries were quadruple the price, then you would see everyone complaining about how expensive the sport is and it would become a rich man's sport, more-so than it is now.  Double edged sword.  

The only solution to the litigation would be to have a track walk and meeting with all riders/parents, during which the track crew i.e. "safety plan" is presented with identifying the flagging positions around the track.  If the riders/parents see a blind corner or jump where they want additional flaggers and the majority votes to put more flaggers there, then they all absorb the cost of any additional flaggers for the day.  Once the majority agrees on the flagging locations, they sign their life away on a waiver that would stand in court stating they signed off on the track crew arrangement "safety plan" and admit to taking all risks upon themselves.  For anyone not comfortable with the safety plan, they have a decision to make as to whether they want to enter the race or not.  Even then, there could still be litigation for negligence, but it could reduce instances like this where the track is being blamed for not enough flaggers, because you could always argue there's not enough flaggers...

Bye Bye Mammoth MX bummer. Too bad the track liability release forms we sign aren't an actual liability release. Why even bother. Rip Aidan, prayers sent to the family.  

And FUCK the lawyers and whoever else stands to profit from this.  

Are we just going to let it slide that Dirtbag Lover was the quoted source....

It's not insurance filing this. Absent life insurance, the insurance cost here is next to nothing. Not at all worth them going after the cost of an ambulance ride and very short ER visit.

If the family wanted transparency and change this is not how you get it. If they wanted transparency they could discuss what they have learned about it publicly or in more productive forums than a deposition room. They may be telling themselves that's what this is about, but they're going to find out real quick this is just going to turn into lawyers arguing over a number they can agree on, nothing more. The increased cost to insure the track isn't going to make it safer. 

Tamponade usually comes from your body abruptly stopping and your heart continuing to move briefly in the chest. Even if instantly attended to, it's very unlikely for that diagnosis to be made and successfully treated in the field. It's hard enough to successfully treat in a trauma bay. 

I feel bad for them and cannot imagine, but your two choices are to condemn lawsuits like this or to say goodbye to the sport. You can't have it both ways. Just like with Taylor's unsafe jump, if there were lack of flaggers here, that's on you to know before you take the track. How many times had they been there? 

Read this and tell me where this guy mentions the industries he's made safer or brought transparency to. 

https://www.bbtrial.com/attorneys/kevin-biniazan/

Much more informative article here. Also named Fox in the lawsuit, names Mike Burkeen by name as AMA official present. This should end well for everyone. Here we go again with it's the design of the track, this time a hairpin turn..... 

https://www.marconews.com/story/sports/motorsports/2025/12/31/motocross-aidan-zingg-parents-file-wrongful-death-lawsuit/87958473007/

"The complaint also cited design, construction, and maintenance or some combination thereof, in creating "a dangerous condition at Turn 9 because of a near hairpin turn coming out of a jump and into another.''

“The design, construction, and maintenance of Turn 9 increased the risk of riders crashing into each other while riding or crashing into a rider who had fallen on the track and created a heightened risk of injury by participating in Mammoth Motocross as compared to other motocross races or tracks,’’ according to the complaint.

The AMA and 2XP “coordinated and approved a crowded field of 29 riders’’ who competed in the 250B class race.

Aidan’s parents have demanded a jury trial and are seeking damages, including but not limited to, pain, suffering, and disfigurement and other losses or damages that the decedent sustained or incurred before death, according to the complaint."

Walk a mile in their shoes. They lost a son. I’d sue the shit out of anyone and everyone. 

This isn’t just a broken leg like X Brands kid. This is a family that is now broken forever. 

They shouldn’t of let him race if it was that dangerous. 

Shouldn’t get a driver’s license and a car, either. 40,000 fatalities a year. 

So money will fix it?

https://youtu.be/fdG0ptvNmlw?feature=shared

Edit: article said turn 9 and farthest area from start. Not 100% sure where that is in video.

Tranfer of guilt, parents got the kid into moto, bought him bikes, paid entry fees, they knew like all of us know moto is dangerous and nearly anything bad can happen for a hundred reasons. The "if" game... if there were more flaggers, if the turn was not there, if the kid didnt crash, if he didnt race, if manucatures didnt make moto bikes.

If, if if,.....

Yep i still ride with my son, just dont race anymore, cuz the risks arent worth it. And  know there is still a lot of risks just riding.

Nobody needs to ride dirt bikes. Unless you’re really rich, live in the inner city, or don’t plan on being on welfare all your life, you do need a drivers license and a car. Just like you need a smart phone or a computer these days, the personal automobile has become an essential component in order to succeed in life. Motocross not so much. 

I think the section in question is from 1:55 to 2:05

Yeah I'm not sure, edited the post. 

You absolutely do not need a car to survive. Modern luxury. DUI offenders get by without it fine. 

 

Apples to oranges 

No, they don’t. It’s a serious handicap. Relying on someone else to get to work is most definitely a serious handicap. Once a drunk looses his license that’s generally the beginning of the end and a start to a downward spiral. 

Saw this coming. No one was given a straight answer. There was conflicting info given to the family and the media. If you go back to my posts immediately after this, I said the promoter was only making things worse. 

USA Today spoke with the Zingg family. They were given conflicting information about what happened to their son. That is unacceptable at what is supposed to be a top-tier event.

Was there a straight answer to be had? Different eyewitness accounts to anything are the norm. It's human nature, we suck at perceiving things in situations like that. Police did a death investigation. Surely some kind of report exists for this that pieces it together as best as possible. 

Was the conflicting info because some of the people spreading info had no idea what they were talking about? What did the promoter do that made it worse? 

Hope the other kids in the race have fun at their deposition. Maybe we can get the kid who hit him on video breaking down while he's forced to talk about it. Should probably name that kid in the lawsuit too. 

You know it’s quite possible that the promoter actually did something negligent and deserves to be held liable to prevent it from happening to another family. 
It’s pretty pathetic the same people ramble on about how it’s going to make tracks go out of business or cause the prices to go up instead of using critical thinking skills. The reality is a that tons of tracks and promoters have done things half assed for a long time and it’s finally catching up to them. Our sport is really in the dark ages when it comes to safety, it’s taken 50 years for chest and back protection to be mandatory in supercross. 
 

You are absolutely *correct that the track owners could have been negligent. But most people would probably think putting your child on a motorcycle is negligent. So who’s ultimately responsible? Without the dirt bike the kid would have never crashed. Should the parents be held liable? Maybe they should sue themselves? 

Maybe, but if so, that's probably the quote you give to the news, not hairpin turn and 29 riders on the gate and track not groomed and only 45 flaggers on track..... 

He had a chest protector on. They're suing Fox. The fact that it broke will be used against Fox when in reality it likely reduced the energy that made it to the chest just like crumple zones in cars do. 

Nobody is opposed to negligence being called out and dealt with. That's almost never what these cases are. 

This board and the sport on the whole is normalizing suing for routine risk when things go bad. That will be the end of the sport anywhere that doesn't pass very strong laws limiting liability, and not many places are going to do that. It takes a very small number of these cases before insurance doesn't even consider insuring tracks or promoters anymore. 

You know any dui offenders who no longer drive? lol.