Super secret factory hydraulic clutch

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OSJ 12/2/2010 8:57pm
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if grant breaks the top 10 in every race this season he will be lucky.

and the hydro clutch on my ktm sure is nice!
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toroP 12/2/2010 9:17pm
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dunn2500 wrote:
they dont want him simple as that......he is too fickle, changes contracts every year, rides what he wants to ride, when he doesnt win he gets...
they dont want him simple as that......he is too fickle, changes contracts every year, rides what he wants to ride, when he doesnt win he gets sick, etc etc......a pretty high maintenance rider without a lot of consistency in his program plus he wants bank...honda prolly got canard and grant for less than what reed wants.......he may pull out mid year and go car racing, if doesnt win he will throw in the towel and i dont expect him to win with a full field.....i dont think he will beat canard and grant this year..........canard damn near podiumed every 450 race he entered, grant is faster than reed, just see if he can keep his head in the game for a full series...................
Great. People who have watched the sport for a year, telling us how it is.
Changes contracts every year? How many top riders have ridden one brand for 7 years straight?
Inconsistency? Reed has had one of the most consistent programs in the history of the sport.
4 championships. 3rd all time SX wins. How many podiums?
Find a sport you know something about.
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dunn2500 wrote:
they dont want him simple as that......he is too fickle, changes contracts every year, rides what he wants to ride, when he doesnt win he gets...
they dont want him simple as that......he is too fickle, changes contracts every year, rides what he wants to ride, when he doesnt win he gets sick, etc etc......a pretty high maintenance rider without a lot of consistency in his program plus he wants bank...honda prolly got canard and grant for less than what reed wants.......he may pull out mid year and go car racing, if doesnt win he will throw in the towel and i dont expect him to win with a full field.....i dont think he will beat canard and grant this year..........canard damn near podiumed every 450 race he entered, grant is faster than reed, just see if he can keep his head in the game for a full series...................
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Great. People who have watched the sport for a year, telling us how it is. Changes contracts every year? How many top riders have ridden one...
Great. People who have watched the sport for a year, telling us how it is.
Changes contracts every year? How many top riders have ridden one brand for 7 years straight?
Inconsistency? Reed has had one of the most consistent programs in the history of the sport.
4 championships. 3rd all time SX wins. How many podiums?
Find a sport you know something about.
ToroP I could not agree with you more. I dont know anyone more consistent than Reed if you take away 2010. How many years has he been in the hunt all the way to the end only to lose the championship by a few points in vegas? Very apparant that the guy has no clue about the sport or Reeds Lebron James style role he plays in US supercross....
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dunn2500 wrote:
they dont want him simple as that......he is too fickle, changes contracts every year, rides what he wants to ride, when he doesnt win he gets...
they dont want him simple as that......he is too fickle, changes contracts every year, rides what he wants to ride, when he doesnt win he gets sick, etc etc......a pretty high maintenance rider without a lot of consistency in his program plus he wants bank...honda prolly got canard and grant for less than what reed wants.......he may pull out mid year and go car racing, if doesnt win he will throw in the towel and i dont expect him to win with a full field.....i dont think he will beat canard and grant this year..........canard damn near podiumed every 450 race he entered, grant is faster than reed, just see if he can keep his head in the game for a full series...................
toroP wrote:
Great. People who have watched the sport for a year, telling us how it is. Changes contracts every year? How many top riders have ridden one...
Great. People who have watched the sport for a year, telling us how it is.
Changes contracts every year? How many top riders have ridden one brand for 7 years straight?
Inconsistency? Reed has had one of the most consistent programs in the history of the sport.
4 championships. 3rd all time SX wins. How many podiums?
Find a sport you know something about.
ToroP I could not agree with you more. I dont know anyone more consistent than Reed if you take away 2010. How many years has he been in the hunt all the way to the end only to lose the championship by a few points in vegas? Very apparant that the guy has no clue about the sport or Reeds Lebron James style role he plays in US supercross....

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stoop 12/3/2010 12:07am
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Hydraulic clutch or not, a motivated Reed is going to wax Team Honda/Geico
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wow123 12/3/2010 1:19am
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most of the top 450 hondas were running them for last years sx.

do the production cases have un milled mountings for the slave cylinder?

cause arent cases supposed to be stock?
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GuppyGahoo 12/3/2010 6:28am
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The one in the picture is clearly mounted in with the case saver and side cover. Both stock bolt holes. :o)
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RACEGUY 12/3/2010 10:21am
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wow123 wrote:
most of the top 450 hondas were running them for last years sx. do the production cases have un milled mountings for the slave cylinder? cause...
most of the top 450 hondas were running them for last years sx.

do the production cases have un milled mountings for the slave cylinder?

cause arent cases supposed to be stock?
Outer cover...not engine cases.
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Killer Customz 12/3/2010 10:28am
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Its not that its top secret, its that although I'm sure Chad wants to run the FACTORY clutch over the store bought Magura, this would ruin his chances at privateer and contingency. He most likely just likes the fit and finish over the store bought too!
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avidchimp wrote:
[img]http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/36/Holyshit.jpg[/img]
I think I was at that party......
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avidchimp 12/3/2010 10:52am
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It was awesome, and there was a bear party in the next banquet hall too...

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It was awesome, and there was a bear party in the next banquet hall too... [img]http://www.bearotic.com/img/2009/05/bear-party-san-francisco-may-2009.jpg[/img]
It was awesome, and there was a bear party in the next banquet hall too...

That explains all the grunting coming from next door.

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Lightning78 12/3/2010 12:59pm
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ando wrote:
According to Chad only JG, TC and KW are allowed to run the factory Honda hydraulic clutch.

Wonder what's so special about it?
I dont see what everyone is so up in arms about ....especially chad, once he starts winning Honda will throw every part they make at his bike....IMO I think Honda doesnt have any faith in him to an extent i.e. they dont want to adorn his bike with works parts bec of pride and money (pride being he is not a factory honda rider) but like I said ill 100% guarantee you that if chad wins even on or two he will have his pick of any and all HRC parts at his disposal.

Years ago when Jeff Northrup won or almost won Mammoth (I cant recall) he told me before his first Moto he couldnt get anything from Kawi not even a spark plug....after he went out an killed it in the first Kawi came over and started bolting all kinds of goodies on his bike w/o him even asking bec they saw a chance at winning and wanted to ride his coat tails .... pretty opportunistic to me, and I see the same thing happening to Reedy.
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ando 12/3/2010 3:39pm
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ando wrote:
According to Chad only JG, TC and KW are allowed to run the factory Honda hydraulic clutch.

Wonder what's so special about it?
Lightning78 wrote:
I dont see what everyone is so up in arms about ....especially chad, once he starts winning Honda will throw every part they make at his...
I dont see what everyone is so up in arms about ....especially chad, once he starts winning Honda will throw every part they make at his bike....IMO I think Honda doesnt have any faith in him to an extent i.e. they dont want to adorn his bike with works parts bec of pride and money (pride being he is not a factory honda rider) but like I said ill 100% guarantee you that if chad wins even on or two he will have his pick of any and all HRC parts at his disposal.

Years ago when Jeff Northrup won or almost won Mammoth (I cant recall) he told me before his first Moto he couldnt get anything from Kawi not even a spark plug....after he went out an killed it in the first Kawi came over and started bolting all kinds of goodies on his bike w/o him even asking bec they saw a chance at winning and wanted to ride his coat tails .... pretty opportunistic to me, and I see the same thing happening to Reedy.
Yeah I just saw it as kind of funny that HRC would withhold something as harmless as a hydraulic clutch.
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Karma 12/3/2010 5:53pm
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I love Honda's but the company seem to have issues, dumping riders in their prime, I'm not sure? Chad has his own team and chose their bike to race, and podium on, I'd think they would be stoked about it. Would it not look better for them, as a company, if Chad beat their riders on their factory bike instead of a PC bike?
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kaboom645 12/3/2010 7:32pm
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I personally HATE hydro clutches... The feel is great, and they never need adjusting, but the never needing adjustment is a problem for me.. With a cable style clutch, if I am abusing it the cable gets slack and I take that as a sign to lay off the clutch for a while to allow it to cool (on longer motos). Since the hydro one self adjusts, I never get that warning and I just keep abusing the clutch till I get it so hot it actually boils the trans fluid out the overflow on my KTM
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lumpy790 12/3/2010 8:30pm
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I wonder if there could be some kind of actuation mechanism that gives a traction control feed/feel to it? How cool would it be to be able to just dump the clutch and have the mechanism feed it for you.
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mjskier 12/4/2010 10:29pm
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I was reading an older issue of "Dirt Rider" (forgot which month, it was just on top of my pile of bathroom reading material) and they had an article about all the factory SX bikes (for the 09 season). They talked about the Honda hydro clutch and how it was legal because it used the stock engine case. So it is welded as an add-on.
They also said that Honda had the trickiest ignition. It has a special map for starts and then switched automatically back to the regular map when they started braking. They also have a switch to let the rider switch between 2 maps.

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mjskier wrote:
I was reading an older issue of "Dirt Rider" (forgot which month, it was just on top of my pile of bathroom reading material) and they...
I was reading an older issue of "Dirt Rider" (forgot which month, it was just on top of my pile of bathroom reading material) and they had an article about all the factory SX bikes (for the 09 season). They talked about the Honda hydro clutch and how it was legal because it used the stock engine case. So it is welded as an add-on.
They also said that Honda had the trickiest ignition. It has a special map for starts and then switched automatically back to the regular map when they started braking. They also have a switch to let the rider switch between 2 maps.
Partially correct. There are 2 maps, one for starts and the other for race conditions. The map is switch activated for the start.(U press a button) It switches back when the bike is down-shifted, not the brakes. Super trick shit, I might add.
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Check this video out.

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Check this video out.
Check this video out.

Man there not say'n shit!
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mx4life118 12/6/2010 11:43am
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sorry but i have been told that trey is the fastest one at the test track!!
BornA'Lil2Slow 12/6/2010 12:09pm
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mjskier wrote:
I was reading an older issue of "Dirt Rider" (forgot which month, it was just on top of my pile of bathroom reading material) and they...
I was reading an older issue of "Dirt Rider" (forgot which month, it was just on top of my pile of bathroom reading material) and they had an article about all the factory SX bikes (for the 09 season). They talked about the Honda hydro clutch and how it was legal because it used the stock engine case. So it is welded as an add-on.
They also said that Honda had the trickiest ignition. It has a special map for starts and then switched automatically back to the regular map when they started braking. They also have a switch to let the rider switch between 2 maps.
there is a difference between a case and a cover...
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mjskier 12/6/2010 2:09pm
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BTW, do Hondas come in a WOMEN version?
If you look right below the small red bolt on that picture, it says MEN. And I noticed the same on the frame of my '07. What does that stand for?
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mjskier wrote:
BTW, do Hondas come in a WOMEN version? If you look right below the small red bolt on that picture, it says MEN. And I noticed...
BTW, do Hondas come in a WOMEN version?
If you look right below the small red bolt on that picture, it says MEN. And I noticed the same on the frame of my '07. What does that stand for?
Nope, That's what other brands are for! ;-)
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NeWskoolmxer 12/8/2010 5:32pm
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Looks like K-Dub's testing it. Straight off of the MSR facebook page was this pic.

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TeamGreen 12/8/2010 6:10pm
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mjskier wrote:
BTW, do Hondas come in a WOMEN version? If you look right below the small red bolt on that picture, it says MEN. And I noticed...
BTW, do Hondas come in a WOMEN version?
If you look right below the small red bolt on that picture, it says MEN. And I noticed the same on the frame of my '07. What does that stand for?
CRF STUFF wrote:
Nope, That's what other brands are for! ;-)
That's right...u jus' keep hangin' on to those memories of the good'ol days!

Bwaahahahahahahahaha!

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Motodude 12/8/2010 7:47pm
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BFD, hydraulic clutches on dirtbikes goes back over 20yrs. Has been production items on KTM's for a decade now. You watch all the Jp bikes have them next year...zzz
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mxrose3 12/8/2010 7:58pm
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
there is a difference between a case and a cover...
there is a difference between a case and a cover...
Those cases have to be machined or manufactured different to accept that hydraulic clutch mechanism. It pushes right up against the clutch rod inside the cases. Its why you can't just take a KTM hydraulic clutch and adapt it to any bike. Also, The Magura Jack clutch just attaches to the clutch arm outside of the cases which isn't quite as efficient.
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rhargrave431 12/8/2010 8:15pm
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mx4life118 wrote:
sorry but i have been told that trey is the fastest one at the test track!!
I heard Reed was fastest, Treynard was just a tiny bit off his pace, and Grant was "coming around back to speed' nothing said about KW though

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