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Show me proof, because it’s an internet myth they were lowered.
They haven’t been!
It's not about drugs...
Given the current informational environment would you support US boots on the ground in Venezuela?
How significant is the end game here?
How sure are we they aren't targeting one cartel to give cover to another one connected to this Hernandez from Honduras that just got a pardon?
Because they'll never gonna enter US waters.
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Those boats don’t contain any fentanyl. They don’t produce fentanyl in that country. Fentanyl is produced in Mexico mainly
Exactly, like they were about to make it to Miami Beach
Says you! The collective of those blown up boats, probably could have supplied all of San Diego for a significant time. This is not a replacement for anything, it's an addition.
Why are you wanting to limit ANY response? Next you'll tell me to leave the corner undocumented pharmacist alone because he/she was only carrying an eight ball.
The key word is “probably”. In all of this commotion none of us know the volume of drugs destroyed nor their intended destination. Could it be a significant amount? Possibly, but unlikely, knowing the volume required to fuel the industry.
TM, we all agree in curtailing the illegal drug trade benefits the US and its citizens. But the focus on this tiny portion of the industry is overkill and belies the mission’s true purpose. The Trump Administration is not heralding other actions to the same degree, and that’s by design. These missions are not meant for drug cartels; theyre aimed squarely at Maduro.
Why can't it be something as simple as the Gazelle theory? You don't go after the whole herd and fail spectacularly, you pick off 1 at a time till the herd is manageable to go after.
The cartels have been lacing cocaine with fentanyl for quite some time as a way to get customers dependent. A Cocaine user may purchase a small amount once or twice a month. But get that customer addicted to the fentanyl component and the customer is back every other day.
Sure, they're just transporting charitable children Christmas toys in those million $ boats.
I agree. But the level of force is not commensurate with the threat level. The DEA’s data shows Venezuelan drugs are largely bound for Europe. So kudos to Trump for helping our EMEA allies.
Dedicating a carrier battle group to the region displays the firepower at Trump’s disposal. The drug boats provide a nice excuse to send in the fleet, but this is own backyard; we have mainland assets that can tackle any problem, and quickly. The USS Ford demonstrates our ability to reach global targets. But that carrier is currently enjoying a port call in St Thomas (where I won a karaoke contest back in ‘93), signifying the “threat” isn’t truly significant.
We can get the job done with special forces and a handful of drones. What is the carrier’s role?
Not in the sense you're trying to trap me in an answer that's misleading. You don't believe Pablo Escobar was eliminated without US help do you? All this "blow up the lab shit" I say the same to you, they'll build new labs. This is not a one strategy wins the war. It's going to take an all in approach. And blowing up the million $ special built supply boats is just one small part of it.
Like it or not, it's effectively eliminating that supply route. Are there others? Of course, there's going to be a shit ton of work to get this under control if we can even do it at this point. Why? So many people do recreational drugs and they'll just vote out anyone trying to stop their supply.
They do contain fentanyl. Cartels have gotten into the game, chemicals mainly come from China. But you know businesses is business. So they produce as well. It isn’t just Mexico.
I was surprised to learn recently that fentanyl is part of the cocktail they give you when an anesthesiologist puts you to sleep before a surgery.
Fentanyl has been very commonly used since the early 1960's.
Wasn't until it started to get mixed into illegal drugs that it became a problem.
I refuse to take fentanyl before surgery because it takes me days to recover from the affects. Propofol for the win! Give me my milk...
You know how to tell this is a nonissue? In 2 weeks the libs will be on a different "catastrophic constitutional crisis"
While we can disagree what's appropriate, if you have kids, at one time or another, your kid(s) did something wrong. After which you made a big issue of it (to make an impression for future reference) sent them to their room, and then laughed your ass off about it because it was actually funny. It's the message. You don't believe we do joint naval exercises off the coast of N Korea because we need practice do you?
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I had thought it was another illegal drug like crack or meth. I did not realize there is a legitimate use for it.
Like Marijuana, the product produced today is not the product of years gone by
Fentanyl isn't coming from Venezuela.
if you know its all just a smoke and mirrors and not actually doing anything, could be making it worse cause we are killing potentially innocent people, why do you cheer for it?
Seems like the majority of them are carrying cocaine, and not to the US, to Europe.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/drug-boats-venezuela-are-mainly-m…
You didn’t even ask what song I sang at the karaoke contest! My word…
He’s the challenge: no one’s laughing in this scenario. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe US forces blasted any North Koreans during those joint exercises. And we shouldn’t need an excuse to spin circles off the Venezuelan coast. But killing anonymous people on small boats can be tied to stemming the flow of drugs, so why not!
I’m no democrat, nor do I label every Trump act as evil. I’m also not christening every action the president takes as legitimate. Just don’t lie to us and say this is about drug interdiction.
People cheer for this for the entertainment value. It's sort of like the immigration issue. Obama was the biggest deporter of illegal aliens that we've had, but he wasn't at the podium painting all immigrants from certain countries or whole ethnicities as evil, so it didn't have the entertainment value that some people crave. The appearance of cruelty is of huge entertainment value to many, unfortunately. Rationalizing the killing of these alleged attempted smugglers is just another confirmation of that, really.
I already know the song "I'm too sexy for my shirt"
Really, did the surfacing sub not kill 9 anonymous people? Well, before they were identified anyway.
And these are NOT innocent boaters on the water. How many people did Obama's drone strikes kill? Did it stop the war? Why did he keep doing it?
A while back a photo was posted of leafs in the yard. Should he just leave them as raking them up will not stop new leafs from falling, should he cut the tree down? What if he buys a tractor with a vacuum because he can? Let's just agree that you don't approve and I do approve.
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You think we are just killing innocent people? We are also in the middle of creating a deterrent, setting the precedent. It is easy to sit there and say we should do this or that. Truth is, sending the “fisherman” lmao back is just a cycle.
To think we stop every single shipment is asinine. If one goes through the cracks it’s a ton of American lives at risk. Weigh your options. Them or us. Pretty simple.
You realize that Venezuela and China are pretty tight, right?
Well, the chemicals used to make Fentanyl in Mexico come from China. Mexico is just assembling the product. Since Maduro already has a good relationship with China, why would it be a stretch to think that they would be doing the same thing that Mexico is doing?
I don't have proof either way, but all the pieces are certainly in place for that to happen.
I couldn't find 1 press release or statistic confirming seizure of fentanyl by the Coast Guard on the east coast. If someone has better luck with the Internet machine I'd be interested to see it. Like I said earlier, throwing out !Fentanyl! feels a lot like !WMD! did 22 years ago. I just don't want the US military driven into another quagmire by boneheads.
Pain patches contain Fentanyl and I'm sure like other pain meds there are many other forms of it used legitimately. It has always been super strong, even the legally prescribed stuff is super strong. A big reason it kills people is that they do not know it is in whatever they are taking . Its not really a matter of street stuff being stronger, its the unknown that illegal Fentanyl brings.
Its great that there are meds that can help people in extreme pain. I just wish they would put more effort into developing some that are safer, less addiction and less potential for overdose. The Pharmaceutical industry is as much to blame for developing drugs that become recreational drugs.
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