National Riders Association to Improve Safety, Fairness, and Long-Term Sustainability of the Sport

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The first rider-led safety and competition standards in the history of American motocross.Advocating for minimum appearance compensation, guaranteed purse structures, and a transparent financial relationship between...

The first rider-led safety and competition standards in the history of American motocross.

Advocating for minimum appearance compensation, guaranteed purse structures, and a transparent financial relationship between promoters, manufacturers, and riders, 
Establishing consistent track preparation guidelines, medical readiness standards, and concussion protocols across all sanctioned events.

“We are not here to divide the sport — we are here to elevate it. When riders are safe, healthy, and respected, the entire industry wins.”

“We’re Protecting the Riders Who Protect the Sport”

“The sport has grown, but protections haven’t.”

“Riders deserve a voice, and the sport deserves safety.”

Every major sport (NASCAR, NFL, motocross overseas, MotoGP, UFC, etc.) has evolved to protect athletes — American motocross is long overdue

Motocross is more dangerous, faster, and more physically demanding than ever.
    •    Yet riders have zero input into track safety, scheduling, medical protocols, or fairness.
    •    Riders have been treated as replaceable assets in a billion-dollar industry.
    •    There is no injury support system when careers end early.
    •    Too many riders suffer preventable injuries due to inconsistent standards.

While some manufacturers currently include clauses restricting riders from joining labor organizations, federal law and modern legal interpretations affirm that athletes retain the fundamental right to organize for safety and workplace standards.

Ensuring riders have a protected voice in decisions affecting event structure, travel demands, safety rules, and schedule changes.

“Motocross riders put their bodies and their futures on the line every time they drop the gate,” said interim NMRA board member.

“Until now, riders have never had a seat at the table when decisions about track safety, medical response, schedules, or pay structures were made. The NMRA is here to fix that. This is about protecting lives, careers, and the future of our sport.”

 

INITIAL LEGAL FRAMEWORK TO START A MOTOCROSS RIDERS UNION

Built From Federal Labor Statutes & NLRB Requirements

The formation of any union in the United States is governed by:

National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) – 29 U.S.C. §§ 151–169

Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA) – 29 U.S.C. §§ 401–531

National Labor Relations Board (NLRCool regulations – 29 CFR Parts 101–103

IRS Requirements for Non-Profit Labor Organizations – 26 U.S.C. § 501(c)(5)

Professional motocross riders are often called “independent contractors,” but

the NLRB can determine them to be employees if:

• They are controlled by promoters/organizers,

• Their schedules or performance conditions are dictated,

• Their economic dependence resembles employment.

Union-banning clauses in contracts are illegal and unenforceable.

Under Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act (29 U.S.C. § 157):

“Employees shall have the right to self-organization… to form, join, or assist labor organizations… and to engage in collective bargaining.”

Under Section 8(a)(1), employers cannot:

“Interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of Section 7 rights.”

This means:

🔥 Any contract clause prohibiting union membership is VOID.

🔥 Employers cannot legally punish or fire a rider for trying to unionize.

🔥 Even independent contractors have special protections under NLRB decisions.

So although manufacturers may TRY, in court or before the NLRB, the clause would be struck down instantly.

Manufacturers claim riders are “independent contractors.”

This is actually an advantage.

Because independent contractors can form associations without ANY employer interference, and the manufacturers have zero legal authority to restrict membership or organization.

The National Motocross Riders Association (NMRA)”

— a worker-led professional organization

— protected under freedom of association

— outside employer jurisdiction

This lets riders:

• Organize

• Build power

• Collect dues

• Negotiate collectively

• Create safety standards

• Vote on policies

• Influence promoters

WITHOUT triggering employer retaliation or contract limitations.
 
   If a manufacturer tries to enforce the anti-union clause, we counter with:

A. A Professional Riders Guild (PRG)

Modeled after:

• Screen Actors Guild (SAG)

• PGA (golfers)

• ATP/WTA (tennis)

These organizations are NOT “unions,” but:

• Negotiate pay

• Set safety rules

• Control working conditions

• Provide benefits

Anti-union contract clauses do NOT apply.

5. Use a “Solidarity Agreement” Instead of Collective Bargaining

Since manufacturers will claim riders are contractors, we can use a different tool:

Solidarity Agreements

• Riders agree to minimum standards

• Riders agree not to race unless conditions are met

• Riders agree to protect each other from retaliation

• Riders agree on safety demands and minimum compensation

This avoids NLRA procedural limits and still forces reform.

Example from real sports:

• Korean eSports associations

• Professional skateboarding’s riders union

• Freeskiers professional alliance

All successful even without employer recognition.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Motocross Riders Announce Formation of a National Riders Association to Improve Safety, Fairness, and Long-Term Sustainability of the Sport

PITTSBURGH, PA — 11/19/2025 — Today, elite motocross riders from across the United States announced the formation of the National Motocross Riders Association (NMRA), a member-driven professional organization dedicated to improving safety standards, competitive conditions, fair compensation practices, and long-term career sustainability in the motocross industry.

For decades, riders have shouldered the physical risk of the sport while lacking a unified voice in decisions that directly affect their health, safety, and livelihoods. The NMRA marks the first organized effort to create a modern, transparent, rider-led framework designed to protect athletes and strengthen the sport from the ground up.

“Motocross riders put their bodies and their futures on the line every time they drop the gate,” said interim NMRA board member.

“Until now, riders have never had a seat at the table when decisions about track safety, medical response, schedules, or pay structures were made. The NMRA is here to fix that. This is about protecting lives, careers, and the future of our sport.”

The NMRA will focus on five immediate priorities:

1. Safety Standards & Medical Protocols

Establishing consistent track preparation guidelines, medical readiness standards, and concussion protocols across all sanctioned events.

2. Fair Compensation & Transparency

Advocating for minimum appearance compensation, guaranteed purse structures, and a transparent financial relationship between promoters, manufacturers, and riders.

3. Injury Support & Career Longevity

Creating a safety net that supports riders facing career-impacting injuries, including insurance initiatives, recovery resources, and long-term planning.

4. Professional Rights & Representation

Ensuring riders have a protected voice in decisions affecting event structure, travel demands, safety rules, and schedule changes.

5. Youth Rider Protection

Setting guidelines that reduce preventable injuries in amateur development programs.

While some manufacturers currently include clauses restricting riders from joining labor organizations, federal law and modern legal interpretations affirm that athletes retain the fundamental right to organize for safety and workplace standards. The NMRA is structured as a professional 501(c)(5) riders association, a model similar to organizations in other major sports, and operates fully within federal regulations.

“Nobody in this sport benefits from unsafe tracks, broken careers, or inconsistent rules,

“We are not here to divide the sport — we are here to elevate it. When riders are safe, healthy, and respected, the entire industry wins.”

The NMRA is now accepting charter members and will soon announce its inaugural Riders Congress, where members will finalize bylaws, elect long-term leadership, and adopt the first rider-led safety and competition standards in the history of American motocross.

 

Nice job having Chat GPT generate a riders union 😂

I use the AI here and there to generate and tweak workout programs and the format and fire emojis and green checks they also use the same way. 

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I don't care about this. 

If there were a button I could push that would stop all pro racing forever but also ensure that local racing and small tracks would be better and would never close. 

I would smash it without a thought   

You said nothing about sustainability which comes from places to ride. I dont see how this sport could continue when the tracks all close. How are you going to sell bike when there is no where to ride them?  

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My name is Gene , I utilize AI technology to assist me in various duties. Raced as a contracted Suzuki athlete from 1996 - early 2000’s collecting 15 championships &. 10 concussions , shattered my face in 16 places. Treated my TBI’s successfully & cultivated the understanding of how to treat the symptoms of post TBI life 

 

  Life after racing , I developed 3 dozen websites, 2 digital education courses utilizing automated Crm software , designed branding for many orgs , owned & operated guided segway tours with a fleet of 24 machines for 16 yrs guiding & training 3-5 k tourist per season , was an officer at my Masonic lodge No:725 , still coach motocross , build motocross tracks, a music therapist & wellness retreat owner / operator 
 

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Unfortunately, this appears to be driven by a group vendetta driven individuals with a mission... If an individual or group has a clear-cut "better mouse trap"...

Unfortunately, this appears to be driven by a group vendetta driven individuals with a mission... If an individual or group has a clear-cut "better mouse trap", that is awesome!  Put together a business plan and present it to investors. With the current distribution of wealth in this country there are plenty of investors with a net worth of $50 million plus that would love to get on board for a good deal. Afterall, the identity of America is competition, capitalism, free enterprise, etc. Yes, nothing is easy and it would be a long-range endeavor. 

There is precedence for a competing series within the US.

Every time I see a bitch-fest start about the people running the series, I think the same thing. You're free to start your own series anytime. 

I'm sure they'll find that it's no problem at all getting manufacturers & individual track owners onboard. They'll also find out how easy it is to set up all of the online registration, ticket sales & broadcast schedules.

Once they get it up and running, they can let all 150 pro riders in for free & pay $20k for 15th place.

Looking forward to the new schedule from the next big motocross promoters. 

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It looks to me like You are trying to sell good bullshit fertilizer to the people that buy the food.

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cloverdale wrote:
Unfortunately, this appears to be driven by a group vendetta driven individuals with a mission... If an individual or group has a clear-cut "better mouse trap"...

Unfortunately, this appears to be driven by a group vendetta driven individuals with a mission... If an individual or group has a clear-cut "better mouse trap", that is awesome!  Put together a business plan and present it to investors. With the current distribution of wealth in this country there are plenty of investors with a net worth of $50 million plus that would love to get on board for a good deal. Afterall, the identity of America is competition, capitalism, free enterprise, etc. Yes, nothing is easy and it would be a long-range endeavor. 

There is precedence for a competing series within the US.

Neverclear wrote:
Every time I see a bitch-fest start about the people running the series, I think the same thing. You're free to start your own series anytime. I'm...

Every time I see a bitch-fest start about the people running the series, I think the same thing. You're free to start your own series anytime. 

I'm sure they'll find that it's no problem at all getting manufacturers & individual track owners onboard. They'll also find out how easy it is to set up all of the online registration, ticket sales & broadcast schedules.

Once they get it up and running, they can let all 150 pro riders in for free & pay $20k for 15th place.

Looking forward to the new schedule from the next big motocross promoters. 

explain why you think motocross athletes don’t deserve equal respect the NFL , MLB etc gets 

Our job is just as demanding and dangerous , and even more expensive to participate .. It’s not about complaining about the current promoters, it’s about navigating the relationship of the riders being able to work fairly with the manufacturers and promoters. 

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Every time someone compares moto to other professional sports I think of the infographics that relate the size of earth to other planets, stars, solar systems, etc.

 

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cloverdale wrote:
Unfortunately, this appears to be driven by a group vendetta driven individuals with a mission... If an individual or group has a clear-cut "better mouse trap"...

Unfortunately, this appears to be driven by a group vendetta driven individuals with a mission... If an individual or group has a clear-cut "better mouse trap", that is awesome!  Put together a business plan and present it to investors. With the current distribution of wealth in this country there are plenty of investors with a net worth of $50 million plus that would love to get on board for a good deal. Afterall, the identity of America is competition, capitalism, free enterprise, etc. Yes, nothing is easy and it would be a long-range endeavor. 

There is precedence for a competing series within the US.

Neverclear wrote:
Every time I see a bitch-fest start about the people running the series, I think the same thing. You're free to start your own series anytime. I'm...

Every time I see a bitch-fest start about the people running the series, I think the same thing. You're free to start your own series anytime. 

I'm sure they'll find that it's no problem at all getting manufacturers & individual track owners onboard. They'll also find out how easy it is to set up all of the online registration, ticket sales & broadcast schedules.

Once they get it up and running, they can let all 150 pro riders in for free & pay $20k for 15th place.

Looking forward to the new schedule from the next big motocross promoters. 

stull33 wrote:
explain why you think motocross athletes don’t deserve equal respect the NFL , MLB etc gets Our job is just as demanding and dangerous , and even...

explain why you think motocross athletes don’t deserve equal respect the NFL , MLB etc gets 

Our job is just as demanding and dangerous , and even more expensive to participate .. It’s not about complaining about the current promoters, it’s about navigating the relationship of the riders being able to work fairly with the manufacturers and promoters. 

If the world worked on what people deserve, good teachers would make 10 times what a pro sports athlete makes.

Life is about what someone is worth. What they can produce.

Why should a top finisher from loretta's be owed a living wage when they turn pro?

What does a rider consistently finishing in the bottom 25% of mx/sx really bring to the table?

What bargining power do they have?

 

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I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having more say?

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I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having...

I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having more say?

Posted it on a Facebook group and the support there is immense ! 

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Josh422 wrote:
Every time someone compares moto to other professional sports I think of the infographics that relate the size of earth to other planets, stars, solar systems...

Every time someone compares moto to other professional sports I think of the infographics that relate the size of earth to other planets, stars, solar systems, etc.

 

Unionization and athlete organization do not extract wealth — they generate it.

They professionalize the sport and expand its marketability.

Motocross now sits at the exact point where:

• MLB was in the 1960s

• NFL was in the 1970s

• UFC was in the 2000s

Every time, the outcome was higher pay, longer careers, and a stronger sport.

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I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having...

I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having more say?

stull33 wrote:

Posted it on a Facebook group and the support there is immense ! 

Must be more bosses than workers in here.

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For some of us old guys , what is ChatGPT and why is it Bad or good etc. Seriously I have never heard of it and...

For some of us old guys , what is ChatGPT and why is it Bad or good etc. Seriously I have never heard of it and am trying to keep up.  😕

You seriously need to do a little “research” and learn about the artificial intelligence tools already being used by your friends and neighbors. YouTube is not...

You seriously need to do a little “research” and learn about the artificial intelligence tools already being used by your friends and neighbors. YouTube is not a terrible place to start.

lostboy819 wrote:

You seriously need to Piss Off 😎 3strokemx was able to put it in layman's terms very well. 

Hey, I’m sorry if my tone seemed dismissive, I didn’t mean it that way. I really do want to encourage you and others to do your own investigation into this thing; just like the issue of organized labor, there are a lot of pros and cons to AI, but it’s not going anywhere so the sooner you get some kind of understanding of it, the better.

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CPR wrote:
I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having...

I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having more say?

stull33 wrote:

Posted it on a Facebook group and the support there is immense ! 

Of course there was

They dont have any skin in the game.

you are like a politician offering $50/hour minimum wage, a 30 hour work week. Free cars, free housing, and free healthcare.

Maybe your little ai helper can come up with some helpful details on how you are going to make it work.

Like:

Leverage you have at your disposal

How all this gets paid for

Why any top riders making multiple millions a year would even answer your calls.

Insread all you post is theory and unicorn daydreams that is like reading a congressional bill.

Good luck

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11/22/2025 5:32am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2025 8:52am
Josh422 wrote:
Every time someone compares moto to other professional sports I think of the infographics that relate the size of earth to other planets, stars, solar systems...

Every time someone compares moto to other professional sports I think of the infographics that relate the size of earth to other planets, stars, solar systems, etc.

 

Fair enough to stick to motocross.

Why can riders (and even marshalls) have extensive medical coverage from their federations in other countries but US riders are left in the cold relying on GoFundMe campaigns to pay huge hospital bills?

Wouldn't that be a good thing for the sport and for the riders to change that?

Liability insurance for tracks owners and race organizers, personal accident insurance, ambulance cost covered (up to 10k), lump sums in case of death (75k), permanent disability (100k), paraplegia (150k)...

Other riders have all this and more, is that bad if someone wants US riders to have this kind of benefits as well?

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CPR wrote:
I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having...

I get the disliking AI bit, but other than that, I don’t understand why the general vibe in here seems to be unsupportive of riders having more say?

stull33 wrote:

Posted it on a Facebook group and the support there is immense ! 

JustMX wrote:
Of course there wasThey dont have any skin in the game.you are like a politician offering $50/hour minimum wage, a 30 hour work week. Free cars...

Of course there was

They dont have any skin in the game.

you are like a politician offering $50/hour minimum wage, a 30 hour work week. Free cars, free housing, and free healthcare.

Maybe your little ai helper can come up with some helpful details on how you are going to make it work.

Like:

Leverage you have at your disposal

How all this gets paid for

Why any top riders making multiple millions a year would even answer your calls.

Insread all you post is theory and unicorn daydreams that is like reading a congressional bill.

Good luck

Funny , I figured most motocross fans would understand the concept of lead , follow or get out of the way ! Unless you have been a contracted athlete, does what you propose hold any real weight?! No .. 

at least try to be good at following , so far ur just in the way ! 

We only need 30% of the riders to be on board to be recognized by federal labor laws , won’t matter what the top riders or promoters or manufacturers would like to do, we will politely enforce this , just like when other sports organized … 

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Cool. How much are the riders' union dues? And where do they go?  

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Cool. How much are the riders' union dues? And where do they go?  

ChatGPT answer coming soon......

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Exactly this. You just proved your own point wrong. 

So let me ask you this, let’s do it like your ai bullet points but from my phone with shit grammar. 

-What one of any of the top 20 riders are going to sit out races and join you to start a movement? 

-What riders are going to pay for a union when they’re not making shit already. 

-Why are you soo aggressive when people are giving their opinions on here? 

-Why did you post it on here if “you aren’t a factory contracted rider you can’t say shit to me.”

💁🏽‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🙏🏾😀😇🤣😱🥺🤬


Should have just opened this for discussion rather than diluting it with bullshit AI and took advice, if any was given. 

The more you post in here the more I see where it won’t work. 


This is all VERY GOOD 💇‍♂️👩‍🦯‍➡️🦋🍷 in theory. But the more you spew the less I see it working. 

I think all the riders out there would like a union even those at the top. But, you’re going to have to come in with more money than the promoter and more incentives to get them to do ANYTHING to piss of their employer. 

🍼🍼🍺🍺🧃🧃🍾🍾🏄🏼‍♀️🚒🏎️🚬🏺


Just my non contracted un educated view on all this that no one asked for. 

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You can’t even sell a t shirt in the pits let’s start with the basics.



 



*unless that has changed, then I’m an asshole.

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You can’t even sell a t shirt in the pits let’s start with the basics.



 



*unless that has changed, then I’m an asshole.

Nope. Let’s start at the top. And let’s back pay all the riders that deserve it starting 1995 with Monopoly money. 

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Lead by ChatGPT. 

Everyone’s asking who the “elite riders” are… there are none because this is a ChatGPT prompt, how are people not seeing this, lol. For future reference, if...

Everyone’s asking who the “elite riders” are… there are none because this is a ChatGPT prompt, how are people not seeing this, lol. 

For future reference, if you guys see:

- 🧱 A wall of text where a good third of it is bold

- 🔫 A lot of bulleted lists

- 💯 Too many emojis

…it’s probably ChatGPT.

Cool. I’m a MxGPT fan.

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Josh422 wrote:

You can’t even sell a t shirt in the pits let’s start with the basics.



 



*unless that has changed, then I’m an asshole.

Lots of inadequacies to be addressed ! Good point you made 

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The Bicycle Union: How Professional Cyclists Organized

The Primary Riders Union: CPA (Cyclistes Professionnels Associés)

The most important and recognized union in professional cycling is:


CPA – Cyclistes Professionnels Associés


(Association of Professional Cyclists)

Founded: 1999

Recognized by: UCI (Union Cycliste Internationale)

Represents: Professional road cyclists worldwide

Acts as: Official riders’ labor union


Why it was formed

Through the 1980s and 1990s, professional cyclists faced:


No guaranteed minimum salary

Unsafe race conditions

Lack of medical protection

No say in race scheduling

No formal grievance process

Unpaid prize money and contract violations


Unlike team sports, cyclists were:

Nominally “independent contractors”

Employed by teams but governed by race organizers and UCI

Often exploited in a fragmented, high-risk system


Several high-profile crashes, doping-era abuses, and career-destroying injuries pushed riders to demand collective protection.


The CPA was created to:


Negotiate minimum salary standards

Improve race safety protocols

Create unified representation in UCI decisions

Protect riders’ rights in contracts

Ensure insurance, pensions, and welfare protections


Key Milestones in CPA Formation


1. Early Informal Rider Movements (1960s–1990s)

Cyclists began organizing informally after:

Fatal race incidents

Unsafe downhill finishes

Long unpaid periods

Exploitative prize contracts

Riders occasionally staged:

Silent protests

Rolling strikes

Refusal to start stages

But there was no permanent structure.

2. Formal Creation in 1999

The CPA was formally recognized by the UCI as the official riders’ representative body.


This gave cyclists:

A seat at the negotiating table

The ability to block unsafe race routes

Input on rule changes

Standardized labor agreements

 

What the CPA Achieved

Safety & Working Conditions

Rider approval required for dangerous stages

Mandatory medical care protocols

Neutral safety commissions

Improved crash barriers and course design standards

Economic Protections

Minimum salary requirements

Standardized contracts

Payment enforcement mechanisms

Prize money security


Governance Power
Voting representation within UCI commissions

Consultation rights on calendar structure

Rider input on concussion protocols


 


 

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jmo443
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11/23/2025 12:38pm

Lolz

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11/23/2025 3:25pm

I appreciate what you’re doing, @stull33 . Keep fighting the good fight, and don’t let the naysayers get you down. 

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11/23/2025 3:54pm

So can chat EBT of yours figure out how to make it work when it couldn’t in the past. Someone told you they tried to but they would have their license revoked. So if Ama pulls this on anyone else just trying to “live their dream” who aren’t going to make a real career then how will you find someone who matters to support you. 

Like I stated already. Love the idea. Everyone does. But the series has a stronghold on the riders. They have more money and resources than you do. Ask Trey. Ask reed. 

-actually just ask chat EBT the probability of it happening? 

Sorry to piss on your parade. Santa isn’t real 🍾🚬🏎️👩‍🦯‍➡️🦋💯💴💶

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