Those 350's couldn't get a good start to save its life!

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lostboy819 11/18/2010 7:27am
11/18/2010 7:27am Edited Date/Time 11/18/2010 7:37am
Too bad you are about the 50th person to post that pic. Next thing you know you will break the story that Chad Reed is starting his own team and Christophe Pourcel doesnt have a factory ride yet, Way to go scoop!
YellowZonker 11/18/2010 7:31am
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I assume you meant to say "break the story"?
lostboy819 11/18/2010 7:38am
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YellowZonker wrote:
I assume you meant to say "break the story"?
DOH !!!!!! fixed it Blush
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Rewindcaz 11/18/2010 7:38am
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That was a GP race. Those aren't 350's in that picture Wink



Where were all those Alessi holeshots in the Lucas Oil AMA Motocross series this year? Sure didn't see a whole lot of them ..

Wasn't Alessi known as the "Holeshot Master" ... ?

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seth505 11/18/2010 7:44am
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sweet! breaking news from almost a year ago
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mmcmx wrote:
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newmann 11/18/2010 8:18am
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If that pic gets posted about 187 more times, it should start to even out with all the 350 can't touch 450 threads.
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buggz 11/18/2010 8:20am
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Rewindcaz wrote:
That was a GP race. Those aren't 350's in that picture Where were all those Alessi holeshots in the Lucas Oil AMA Motocross series this year...
That was a GP race. Those aren't 350's in that picture Wink



Where were all those Alessi holeshots in the Lucas Oil AMA Motocross series this year? Sure didn't see a whole lot of them ..

Wasn't Alessi known as the "Holeshot Master" ... ?
Those aren't 350's in that picture

Bingo!
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kongols 11/18/2010 8:36am
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They are actually 530. KTM does have them, you knowHuh Blink
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Faceaz 11/18/2010 8:41am
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Even if they were 350's overbored to 400 or 450, you have to give KTM credit for putting together an incredible machine - that's one hell of a holeshot.

Everyone talks about wanting to tear down the bike to find actual displacement. Wouldn't it be possible just to put the engine @ bdc pull the plug & see how much fluid it takes to fill the cylinder? I'm not into racing, so don't know the proceedure on that.
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seth505 11/18/2010 8:43am
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in the GPs they use a rolling chassis mx bike with the 690 motard engine...duh
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mmcmx wrote:
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not much of a gauge there sparky,...the dude that won it was stuck in one gear for most of the moto. hell maybe they should just remove the other gears and save a few kilos and even make that 350 that much stronger
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burn1986 11/18/2010 8:49am
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mmcmx wrote:
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I don't have a reason to dog you out but I'm going to anyway.

What do you mean by giving us something to talk about on here during this boring off-season?! Man, i am so sick of this stuff! I just kicked my dog real hard because I am so mad at you for putttin this on here! Crap!!!!!
aFACEdismembered 11/18/2010 8:50am
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Rewindcaz wrote:
That was a GP race. Those aren't 350's in that picture Where were all those Alessi holeshots in the Lucas Oil AMA Motocross series this year...
That was a GP race. Those aren't 350's in that picture Wink



Where were all those Alessi holeshots in the Lucas Oil AMA Motocross series this year? Sure didn't see a whole lot of them ..

Wasn't Alessi known as the "Holeshot Master" ... ?
At most National tracks they would be in the first corner by that point of the start straight. Maybe the boys reaction time isn't what it used to be.
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lostboy819 wrote:
Too bad you are about the 50th person to post that pic. Next thing you know you will break the story that Chad Reed is starting...
Too bad you are about the 50th person to post that pic. Next thing you know you will break the story that Chad Reed is starting his own team and Christophe Pourcel doesnt have a factory ride yet, Way to go scoop!
ha hah... that made me laugh.... Scoop Brady!!!!!
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race 11/18/2010 9:47am
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Why do people assume the bike - and mainly the motor - is all that produces a holeshot?

It's a combination of gate prep, chassis setup, tires, rider technique, reaction time, luck .... and rider confidence.

MA is not getting holeshots ... but he doesn't seem to be riding great in general. Riders have rather fragile mental states when they're not winning. Maybe it's the bike or maybe it's not.

But it's kinda hard to say only going by the results of a single guy.
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Faceaz 11/18/2010 10:35am
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kongols wrote:
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No Way!!!! On loose dirt too? That must be photo-chopped. LOL
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burn1986 11/18/2010 11:56am
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Alessi has always gotten holeshots. If you gave that bike to LaRocco, then you he would have been way back in the pack.
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mmcmx 11/18/2010 12:18pm
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It hasn't been posted enough assuming the number of treads where know it alls talk shit about them.
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So there you have it, BOTH of Alessi's good starts for 2010 posted in the same thread. That proves it beyond any doubt; 350's ARE faster than 450's!!!! I now have to admit it now based on this "new" evidence. How does KTM defy physics like that?

What does it say if we post those other 23 starts where he is getting roosted to hell? Especially that one where he has the jump and frame by frame you see the pack catch him and swallow him up?
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wullyc 11/18/2010 1:06pm
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Didnt the 350 win the world champs? And im sure but im going to go and check anyway that there were 450 racing that too. Its not ktm's fault MA is pish and wee AC is ripping.
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RCC104 11/18/2010 1:48pm
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I was pulling holeshots like crazy on my 350 this fall! The things a screamer!

Long's I got a decent jump I knew I was either going to be 1st or somewhere near it. I did it on dirt, concrete, and uphill starts. Most of the time all the way in second gear. Of course this is local B classes and not pro level...but it did it.

The real myth is the whole "you won't get tired" thing.THAT IS FALSE!

Between not riding much all summer and having to ride way more aggressive on the 350....We'll just say my arms didn't let me stay up front very long haha
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Freddy 11/18/2010 1:53pm
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David Pingree:
Bryce Vallee and I lined up side-by-side with the Kawasaki and the KTM 350 and did about six starts. The 350 was quicker in all but one of them. That was shocking. This is a great bike, and Alessi’s season last year was not indicative of what this bike is capable of.

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kongols 11/18/2010 1:57pm
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Freddy wrote:
[b]David Pingree:[/b] Bryce Vallee and I lined up side-by-side with the Kawasaki and the KTM 350 and did about six starts. The 350 was quicker in...
David Pingree:
Bryce Vallee and I lined up side-by-side with the Kawasaki and the KTM 350 and did about six starts. The 350 was quicker in all but one of them. That was shocking. This is a great bike, and Alessi’s season last year was not indicative of what this bike is capable of.

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http://www.racerxonline.com/article/racer-x-tested-2011-450-shootout.as…
This is not a very popular answer around here, so take your facts elsewhere.Whistling Wink
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burn1986 11/18/2010 2:31pm
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Well, maybe it is a great starting bike. Maybe Short can make it happen.
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Faceaz 11/18/2010 3:37pm
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RaceFace wrote:
So there you have it, BOTH of Alessi's good starts for 2010 posted in the same thread. That proves it beyond any doubt; 350's ARE faster...
So there you have it, BOTH of Alessi's good starts for 2010 posted in the same thread. That proves it beyond any doubt; 350's ARE faster than 450's!!!! I now have to admit it now based on this "new" evidence. How does KTM defy physics like that?

What does it say if we post those other 23 starts where he is getting roosted to hell? Especially that one where he has the jump and frame by frame you see the pack catch him and swallow him up?
They prove it's competitive. That or every single pro rider on those starting lines got shitty starts. I doubt there's anyone out there thinking, all I need to do is buy a 350 & I'll instantly be "faster". What "physics" do you refer to? I'd really like to see you show through physics that the 450 must be faster than the 350. If you could do it, those idiots over @ KTM should have done it a long time before they developed the 350.

It's not about being "faster", it's about being competitive. The rider is what makes it faster.
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Karma 11/18/2010 4:11pm
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race wrote:
Why do people assume the bike - and mainly the motor - is all that produces a holeshot? It's a combination of gate prep, chassis setup...
Why do people assume the bike - and mainly the motor - is all that produces a holeshot?

It's a combination of gate prep, chassis setup, tires, rider technique, reaction time, luck .... and rider confidence.

MA is not getting holeshots ... but he doesn't seem to be riding great in general. Riders have rather fragile mental states when they're not winning. Maybe it's the bike or maybe it's not.

But it's kinda hard to say only going by the results of a single guy.
Mike has been getting holeshots for the last 100 years, than poof his prowess vanishes, but its only a coincidence that it coincided in losing a 100cc and 10 plus HP. Okydoky.

The stupid part is the next guy KTM hires is the new holeshot master, Shorty!...or was the holeshot master...and he will get destroyed in the short SX starts were the 350's power doesn't kick in until 9k, before that its just a slow 450.
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davis224 11/18/2010 4:21pm
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It got good starts, and it got bad starts. Tony was awesome on it, mike wasn't. Maybe.... just MAYBE... it's not all about the bike? Maybe rider skill comes into play and mike just had a shit year?

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