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It is a proven fact that 99% of the people that download a film would not buy it anyway so you have not missed out as much as you think.
Every other film maker is in the same boat as you. You have to calculate piracy into your strategy and sales forecast's. Learn to live with it every one else does.
The way I see it is if there was money to be made in MX films. There would be more people making them thus increasing supply and you probably would make no money anyway. Catch 22.
I think you are about 15 years too late to think about making big money selling MX films during the crusty years you could not get enough.
These days you have so much to choose from and so much other media like internet, youtube, racex films, Transworld films, Fuel TV etc etc etc you do not need to get films to get your fix.
Make a 2-stroke DVD and let us here the sweet sound of the engines.
We sold a shit ton of our last DVD. I'm not trying to sit here and say we didn't. Just saying I spent a ridiculous amount of money to make a "complete package". Book/DVD combo with major label artists. I thought it was something people would actually want to buy rather than download.
All in all, it is the "the way of the world now" but that's the entire intent of my post. Motocross is family, and support those who support the sport. Don't steal from them if you decide you do want to a commercial DVD title.
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I am going to the web page below and buying my own copy and a few others dvd's for Christmas presents.
http://store.vurbmoto.com/
i recently counted my dvds and have over 2000
+2000 x $19.95 is over 40 grand.
$15-$25 is a lot for a movie you watch once or twice.
with the proper price point, pirating would dry up.
Expecting a good return through conventional DVD sales is short-sighted. Some people will pay, most will not. Digital sales, advertising/placement in the movie, and forgetting about the music would be where I would start.
Wes,
Don't compromise on the music or any other aspect of your work. I hope you're able to fund another project of the same scale as Epic. Join the long list of great directors who's first works were critically acclaimed, but commercial flops. Bring Anthill Films-level quality to moto media.
https://vimeo.com/7799335
ANTHILL DEMO REEL from Anthill Films on Vimeo.
You're our only hope...
Thank you very much.
The quality of films like the ANTHILL demo reel is unheard of. As a comparison look at some of the early Gary Bailey instructional videos. There is no comparison!
I wish you the very best Wes... good luck.
Vurb is a huge destination for video. I know very well that fact in itself hurts our DVD sales. People can watch quality videos all day long for free, so why buy. I understand the way of the world.
But the point being, if you're going to get a motocross DVD. Just buy it, don't steal from your own.
DVD media is old technology anymore. I havent put a DVD in a player in I can't remember how long.
Streaming media from the mac to your big screen is where it's at, or even from your PC if you're a Microsoft luddite.
www.handbrake.fr
And no, it's not the same thing at all, not if that was the plan, ie. release music as a promotional tool for the bands appearances and merch. I made clear that I didn't feel the same about films.
The way it is now, this is the new norm. Companies can either embrace it or they will be out of business. Technology has destroyed a number of industries and anyone who's products can be distributed digitally is going to have a hard time making it. Sad but true.
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Seems like when they want to see/watch something they head straight for torrent sites to download it and watch it on the spot.
Just an idea...
Obviously you invested alot of money and put alot of thought and work into your movie and I assume you were hoping to see a decent return.
I wonder if you had the movie uploaded to the site and you streamed it for a small fee,something like $9.99 (maybe throw in an extra scene). I wonder if that would help off set your costs and persuade people not to head straight for the torrent sites.
Perhaps if they really liked it,they may even buy the "complete package".
Also ,not sure if you have tried DMCA takedown notices to the torrent sites.
But I guess that is always a shot in the dark and probably not effective if they are over seas.
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"Wes is a moron and a moron's moron.
His understanding about how money works is beyond pathetic.
If you truely had a greater, or better idea, someone would pay for it. Plenty of clothing, bike, track, boot, bars, pegs, tires, drinks, helmets, spokes, wheels, carbs, forks, stands, haulers, promoters (geez I exhaust myself), would pay dearly for a semi"infomercial", which.... promoted the exciting aspects of the sport, and subtly, promoted the list above.
They would pay, and free downloads would not be an issue.
No no no.... instead they see a boob come along with a purist, innovative, great-great, wonderful idea. And guess what? They think to themselves, hey!, he still promotes our products and it doesn't cost us a thing. What a boob this dude is. Why not let him con a bunch of investors, (probably his mom and dad), we get promoted, he loses his shirt (really his mom and dad). And we get promoted for free.
I see the hand wringing and chest-thumping about how downloaders are thieves... blah blah blah. Bull Shiet! Don't believe me? Check out red bulls mastery of the marketing game. They control market, they control message, they control distribution, they control profits. Look at RB's prowess in the internet, I want this for free world.
Unfortunately for Wes, a fool is born every minute.
BTW, where can I get the MOTO2 Torrent? I've got moto1, I would like moto2. SOunds like a killer vid and I like things for free.
Thanks"
But maybe those 80,000 people are non-mx people who never knew about the film until they saw it on TBP? Or maybe they downloaded it, watched 2 seconds, and deleted it. That number has no foundation.
This argument is so long and goes so deep into things like net neutrality, big media, saying FUCK YOU to media conglomerates, new markets, redefined distribution models, etc. It's just not as simple as the idiots in this thread think it is. Too bad really because the internet is set to take a bad turn at the hands of the media giants and this is just a tiny tip of the iceberg. Just do some research on this "issue." It's not so clean cut.
I cant believe some of you guys defending theft or copyright infringement, unfucking real
I'm all over it.
Just look for yourself: http://www.x-tremevideo.com/dvd/motocross.
Sure if I had the opportunity to download it for nothing I would do it, but if you could buy it in ITunes for 12/15 $ I would go for it.
I have hundreds of DVD that costed me thousand of USD. Nowadays with ITunes and thing like that you don't have to pay big bucks for movies or music
Generally, this is how MXPTV started. Full quality web videos/shows available on the fly every day/few days. I went full bore with internet videos. Free to watch and yes, they get downloaded and I've seen my work posted on other people's YouTube channels and sometimes other places. I've even had people tell me they download a video they like of mine off of YouTube to their computer, which I'm 50/50 on unless they sell it. (This is usually the kid's parents and such where they see their kid in the video for a few seconds.) But to help cope with the download rip-offs, I see it as promotion as I have my MXPTV logo watermarked on every video I do or if I see it on YouTube, I'd ask the person to add a credit in the description or if that doesn't happen, I contact YouTube to take it down. Im not making a huge profit at all (advertising helps), but it still keeps me doing what I do, week in and week out. DVDs aren't my goal anymore. I've tried cheap, cheap digital downloads and YouTube video rentals. A few will do it but for most that see those dreaded dollar signs, that's an automatic turn off because its on the web.
I understand Wes' frustration for sure. He does great work. Having a large amount of loss sales isn't great. But there are alternatives and with technology evolving constantly and consistently, there are other ways. To me, physical DVDs had its time and its not for the web. Today, people want to see videos on demand more than ever. Netflix and Hulu are good examples here. For independent filmmakers, its tough to get in but over time, the door will be opened more and more as technology evolves. Piracy is always a few steps ahead and its hard to stop. If its free in any way, people will do whatever they can to get it. They are the bottom of the barrell and we have to be on top of it and control our work in the end.
Source: AP Mon Nov 22, 2010, 10:08 am EST
LOS GATOS, Calif. - Netflix Inc. is raising the prices of some of its subscription plans and is shifting its focus to streaming video as more members move to the Internet to watch movies and television shows. Its shares surged more than 7 percent in trading Monday.
With high-speed online access now becoming a household staple and various gadgets making it easier to connect high-definition TVs to the Web, Netflix is realizing it needs to evolve as Internet streaming goes mainstream.
The company based in Los Gatos, Calif. previously announced that more of its members are watching more content streamed over the Internet than on DVDs. To deal with this shift, Netflix says it will spend more this quarter to license streaming content than to buy DVDs.
Netflix said Monday that its subscription plan for unlimited movies and TV shows streamed over the Internet and unlimited DVD deliveries — with one DVD out at a time — will increase by $1 a month to $9.99. Prices for other plans allowing for more DVDs out at a time are also going up.
Existing members will incur the price increases in January, while people who are new sign-ups will face the higher prices immediately. Netflix has more than 16 million members in the U.S. and Canada and predicted in October that it would gain another 2.1 million to 2.9 million customers by year's end. That means Netflix could enter 2011 with more than 19 million subscribers, doubling the service's size in two years.
Netflix is also launching a $7.99 a month streaming-only plan in the U.S. to accommodate the online shift. It already has a streaming service in Canada for a monthly fee of 7.99 Canadian dollars ($7.86).
"We are now primarily a streaming video company," co-founder and CEO Reed Hastings said in a statement.
Netflix is spending heavily to obtain the streaming rights to more movies and TV shows to help lure more customers and shift more of its existing subscribers away from DVDs.
In the third quarter, Netflix spent $115 million on video streaming rights, up from just $10 million at the same time last year. Spending on DVDs dropped 35 percent from a year ago to just under $30 million in the third quarter.
Netflix shares jumped $12.74, or 7.4 percent, to $185.78 in morning trading. Over the last year, the stock has traded in a range of $48.52 to $184.74.
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