Kawasaki is bringing the two stroke back!

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11/5/2025 5:13am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2025 5:35am
agn5008 wrote:

Source? 

dn315 wrote:

Stu Baylor himself 

agn5008 wrote:
With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it...

With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it? A 300 off-road to compete with the KTM 300s? 

Why is it so secretive?   If they had a bike close to production there would be details to share.

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11/5/2025 5:19am
3strokemx wrote:

Why is it so secretive?   If they had a bike close to production there would be details to share.

Pretty sure Kawi’s not basing their (supposedly) big two-stroke offering on GNCC.

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11/5/2025 5:22am
3strokemx wrote:

Why is it so secretive?   If they had a bike close to production there would be details to share.

Pretty sure Kawi’s not basing their (supposedly) big two-stroke offering on GNCC.

Why wouldn’t they? GNCC has a huge following and its fans make up a majority of the market in the US. 

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3strokemx wrote:

Why is it so secretive?   If they had a bike close to production there would be details to share.

Pretty sure Kawi’s not basing their (supposedly) big two-stroke offering on GNCC.

They’d be crazy not to. Why would they base it on MX when off-road is where the 2 stroke is still very popular? 

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11/5/2025 5:30am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2025 5:36am
3strokemx wrote:

Why is it so secretive?   If they had a bike close to production there would be details to share.

Pretty sure Kawi’s not basing their (supposedly) big two-stroke offering on GNCC.

The KX contingency program this year was very biased towards GNCC and Nat. Enduro, seems like Kawasaki perceives value in the offroad segment.

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11/5/2025 5:38am

I believe this was a marketing ploy and a move from Kawi to capitalize on what was looking to be the demise of KTM at the beginning of the year.There has been no movement or noise since a tweet to start the season and no one knows anything about it. In our world and society with social media and industry there would be more chatter and details emerging if it was close to production or even in the works? Also i don't believe they would be focusing on Woods only two stroke to kick this off and no way Stu Baylor would be talking about it to the general public with no one else saying anything. 

 

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11/5/2025 5:43am
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I believe this was a marketing ploy and a move from Kawi to capitalize on what was looking to be the demise of KTM at the...

I believe this was a marketing ploy and a move from Kawi to capitalize on what was looking to be the demise of KTM at the beginning of the year.There has been no movement or noise since a tweet to start the season and no one knows anything about it. In our world and society with social media and industry there would be more chatter and details emerging if it was close to production or even in the works? Also i don't believe they would be focusing on Woods only two stroke to kick this off and no way Stu Baylor would be talking about it to the general public with no one else saying anything. 

 

Hang in there, it's happening.

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11/5/2025 5:45am
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Actually all 3, the 85, 112 and Full Size. Again, that's if I was a betting man. 

If you were a betting man would you say the 300 will be counter balanced and FI?

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11/5/2025 5:57am
agn5008 wrote:

Source? 

dn315 wrote:

Stu Baylor himself 

agn5008 wrote:
With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it...

With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it? A 300 off-road to compete with the KTM 300s? 

Stu is the factory kawi offroad effort, and owns the team. So it would make sense that he would be the test rider for the bike.

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dn315 wrote:

Stu Baylor himself 

agn5008 wrote:
With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it...

With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it? A 300 off-road to compete with the KTM 300s? 

Marty1028 wrote:

Stu is the factory kawi offroad effort, and owns the team. So it would make sense that he would be the test rider for the bike.

I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu telling someone about it, given how secretive it’s been. I’m betting it’s one of them friends of a friends third cousin who sold Stu a case of beer 3 months ago. 

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11/5/2025 8:18am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2025 8:19am

well, he was definitely in Japan testing something for off road, As mentioned, he IS a factory Kawasaki team owner. His YouTube channel showed the trip and also made no mention of why he was there, but documented everything else why while he was there. So simple logic says he was testing a new off road 2-stroke, or a new something. 

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11/5/2025 9:25am
agn5008 wrote:
With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it...

With how secretive this whole things has been I have a hard time believing Stu told you. But if that’s the case, what exactly is it? A 300 off-road to compete with the KTM 300s? 

Marty1028 wrote:

Stu is the factory kawi offroad effort, and owns the team. So it would make sense that he would be the test rider for the bike.

agn5008 wrote:
I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu...

I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu telling someone about it, given how secretive it’s been. I’m betting it’s one of them friends of a friends third cousin who sold Stu a case of beer 3 months ago. 

I talked to Stu personally at the Muddobbers NEPG (the club I belong to). We've talked many times in the past. 

This is paraphrasing but what he told me about the whole thing and the trip to Japan was the bike he rode was super aggressive and wouldn't be liked by most people in its pre-production form. He said he would expect it to undergo a few changes, be announced early next year and be out as a 27.

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11/5/2025 9:34am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2025 1:48pm
Marty1028 wrote:

Stu is the factory kawi offroad effort, and owns the team. So it would make sense that he would be the test rider for the bike.

agn5008 wrote:
I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu...

I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu telling someone about it, given how secretive it’s been. I’m betting it’s one of them friends of a friends third cousin who sold Stu a case of beer 3 months ago. 

WDSRCR wrote:
I talked to Stu personally at the Muddobbers NEPG (the club I belong to). We've talked many times in the past. This is paraphrasing but what he...

I talked to Stu personally at the Muddobbers NEPG (the club I belong to). We've talked many times in the past. 

This is paraphrasing but what he told me about the whole thing and the trip to Japan was the bike he rode was super aggressive and wouldn't be liked by most people in its pre-production form. He said he would expect it to undergo a few changes, be announced early next year and be out as a 27.

Chassis changes, or engine changes? I'm hoping it's still a little more traditional Japanese engineered and not just straight copying KTM on some things.

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11/5/2025 9:38am

WDSR- The one thing I agree with is 2027. New 65,85,112 and whatever the real secret is.

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11/5/2025 9:50am
agn5008 wrote:
I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu...

I know who Stu is. And I understand they could have him testing the bike. That makes complete sense. But what doesn’t make sense is Stu telling someone about it, given how secretive it’s been. I’m betting it’s one of them friends of a friends third cousin who sold Stu a case of beer 3 months ago. 

WDSRCR wrote:
I talked to Stu personally at the Muddobbers NEPG (the club I belong to). We've talked many times in the past. This is paraphrasing but what he...

I talked to Stu personally at the Muddobbers NEPG (the club I belong to). We've talked many times in the past. 

This is paraphrasing but what he told me about the whole thing and the trip to Japan was the bike he rode was super aggressive and wouldn't be liked by most people in its pre-production form. He said he would expect it to undergo a few changes, be announced early next year and be out as a 27.

dn315 wrote:

Chassis changes, or engine changes? I'm hoping it's still a little more traditional Japanese engineered and not just straight copying KTM on some things.

He didn't elaborate and I didn't pry. He just said in the form he rode, it was fine for fast guys and people at his level but was way too aggressive for a production model. 

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11/5/2025 10:11am

Whatever problems they are encountering, we should be glad Kawi is taking the time to get it right. Too many OEM's get to the point where leadership says, "Shoot the engineer, we're going to production." in effort to start generating revenue that was likely in their financial plan.

In that case, the consumer becomes the development mule with warranty costs and brand damage control as effects. OEM's must weigh this out. Some still chose to take the straight to market approach as a benefit is to be 1st in a segment. I don't see that here, so good call IMO.

 

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52 pages and y'all still haven't figured it out?

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well, he was definitely in Japan testing something for off road, As mentioned, he IS a factory Kawasaki team owner. His YouTube channel showed the trip...

well, he was definitely in Japan testing something for off road, As mentioned, he IS a factory Kawasaki team owner. His YouTube channel showed the trip and also made no mention of why he was there, but documented everything else why while he was there. So simple logic says he was testing a new off road 2-stroke, or a new something. 

in that short he's on a KTM.. they look to be dumping a new KX300 four stroke soon so my money is that was the secret bike he was testing. 

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kage173 wrote:

52 pages and y'all still haven't figured it out?

Clearly. Enlighten us. 

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kage173 wrote:

52 pages and y'all still haven't figured it out?

agn5008 wrote:

Clearly. Enlighten us. 

I dont know. I just got here. 

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52 pages and y'all still haven't figured it out?

This but in Green. MSRP $8799. At dealers in Fall 2026.
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11/5/2025 1:09pm
GPrider wrote:
well, he was definitely in Japan testing something for off road, As mentioned, he IS a factory Kawasaki team owner. His YouTube channel showed the trip...

well, he was definitely in Japan testing something for off road, As mentioned, he IS a factory Kawasaki team owner. His YouTube channel showed the trip and also made no mention of why he was there, but documented everything else why while he was there. So simple logic says he was testing a new off road 2-stroke, or a new something. 

in that short he's on a KTM.. they look to be dumping a new KX300 four stroke soon so my money is that was the secret...

in that short he's on a KTM.. they look to be dumping a new KX300 four stroke soon so my money is that was the secret bike he was testing. 

Brother that video is from 2 years ago. 

Stew has ridden it. Its pretty obvious that Kawasaki is making a bigger push off-road the past couple years as well, they will sell double the amount of bikes to off-road racers anyways. 

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11/6/2025 10:00am
nwquick2 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xduwAkjrGw

Weege making fun of Kawi at Eicma.

It's a shame that they didn't even have at least a teaser of some sort. I'm very surprised by that.

nwquick2 wrote:

This makes me think this thing is a long way from happening. 

 

Zoom was suggesting January/February with product on the floor, I was told big bike(s) on the floor summer of 2026. That window keeps moving every time I ask.

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11/6/2025 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2025 12:47pm

Gotta believe the restyle kit is the closest this thread has

 

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It's a shame that they didn't even have at least a teaser of some sort. I'm very surprised by that.

nwquick2 wrote:

This makes me think this thing is a long way from happening. 

 

Zoom was suggesting January/February with product on the floor, I was told big bike(s) on the floor summer of 2026. That window keeps moving every time...

Zoom was suggesting January/February with product on the floor, I was told big bike(s) on the floor summer of 2026. That window keeps moving every time I ask.

Who do you ask? Your local dealer or someone who may actually know? 

11/6/2025 4:31pm
agn5008 wrote:

Who do you ask? Your local dealer or someone who may actually know? 

Someone in the know who works at Kawasaki. They are sworn to secrecy and don't spill the beans unfortunately 😄 

 

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How is everyone so sure what CC they are making?

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