who wins it outdoors in their prime 4 motos takes all. one race US and one in EU

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Falcon wrote:

Jett is amazing, but I still think RC would just out-hammer him. 

Tumic wrote:

Like people said that Tomac would do?

kage173 wrote:
Ricky has twice as many national titles as Tomac. Different levels.Jett is 22 now. Ricky was 27 when he retired. Jett has 5 years to catch...

Ricky has twice as many national titles as Tomac. Different levels.

Jett is 22 now. Ricky was 27 when he retired. Jett has 5 years to catch up and only 4 titles currently. He has to win every single championship SX and MX for the next 5 years to catch, not surpass, RC by the same age. He can't miss a single season. And he has no chance of beating him. (No, I haven't looked at the exact birthdates and RC only ran half the year on his last year so it might actually already be impossible for Jett to catch him.)

We are talking 4 motos, not the number of titles the riders got.

Would you say that prime Herlings is slower than prime Everts just because he don’t have the same number of titles?.


Technique and training evolve, RC raised the training part, Jett has raised the riding part and the people that don’t acknowledge him as the best rider to ever swing his leg over a bike seems pretty blind.

When both Herlings, RC, JS, Reed and plenty of others say it, some of the fans should be able to see that to. 

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10/16/2025 10:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/16/2025 10:42pm
The Moth wrote:

In depleted fields. 

That’s because those 3 depleted them. 
That’s how domination works. 
You dominate and then the dominated are remembered as not being competitive.. 

Plenty of fields have been just as weak that have battled hard and have been remembered as a good year. Take the recent years with MM93 on poor machinery and injury in the moto gp as example. We all thought the racing was amazing and had elevated. 
Turns out the king was asleep. 
Now looking back on those years you realise we were watching the B teams battle all along. 
Like last year when Jett was out on motocross we all thought Sexton was next level and the racing was great. We couldn’t wait to see the new and improved Sexton take down Jett. 

Jett had other ideas. Jett has dominated Sexton in every way both before and after the so called “breakout year”. 

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I’d say it’s between RV, RC, or herlings. 

I agree with this 

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10/17/2025 7:01am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2025 7:09am
Tumic wrote:

Like people said that Tomac would do?

kage173 wrote:
Ricky has twice as many national titles as Tomac. Different levels.Jett is 22 now. Ricky was 27 when he retired. Jett has 5 years to catch...

Ricky has twice as many national titles as Tomac. Different levels.

Jett is 22 now. Ricky was 27 when he retired. Jett has 5 years to catch up and only 4 titles currently. He has to win every single championship SX and MX for the next 5 years to catch, not surpass, RC by the same age. He can't miss a single season. And he has no chance of beating him. (No, I haven't looked at the exact birthdates and RC only ran half the year on his last year so it might actually already be impossible for Jett to catch him.)

Tumic wrote:
We are talking 4 motos, not the number of titles the riders got.Would you say that prime Herlings is slower than prime Everts just because he...

We are talking 4 motos, not the number of titles the riders got.

Would you say that prime Herlings is slower than prime Everts just because he don’t have the same number of titles?.


Technique and training evolve, RC raised the training part, Jett has raised the riding part and the people that don’t acknowledge him as the best rider to ever swing his leg over a bike seems pretty blind.

When both Herlings, RC, JS, Reed and plenty of others say it, some of the fans should be able to see that to. 

RC was the first person to ever have a perfect season. He didn't just win championships. He won races and dominated them.

And, my original point was not that RC would automaticall  beat Jett, it was that comparing RC to Eli as proof that Jett would win is ridiculous. 

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kage173 wrote:
Ricky has twice as many national titles as Tomac. Different levels.Jett is 22 now. Ricky was 27 when he retired. Jett has 5 years to catch...

Ricky has twice as many national titles as Tomac. Different levels.

Jett is 22 now. Ricky was 27 when he retired. Jett has 5 years to catch up and only 4 titles currently. He has to win every single championship SX and MX for the next 5 years to catch, not surpass, RC by the same age. He can't miss a single season. And he has no chance of beating him. (No, I haven't looked at the exact birthdates and RC only ran half the year on his last year so it might actually already be impossible for Jett to catch him.)

Tumic wrote:
We are talking 4 motos, not the number of titles the riders got.Would you say that prime Herlings is slower than prime Everts just because he...

We are talking 4 motos, not the number of titles the riders got.

Would you say that prime Herlings is slower than prime Everts just because he don’t have the same number of titles?.


Technique and training evolve, RC raised the training part, Jett has raised the riding part and the people that don’t acknowledge him as the best rider to ever swing his leg over a bike seems pretty blind.

When both Herlings, RC, JS, Reed and plenty of others say it, some of the fans should be able to see that to. 

kage173 wrote:
RC was the first person to ever have a perfect season. He didn't just win championships. He won races and dominated them.And, my original point was...

RC was the first person to ever have a perfect season. He didn't just win championships. He won races and dominated them.

And, my original point was not that RC would automaticall  beat Jett, it was that comparing RC to Eli as proof that Jett would win is ridiculous. 

It was not proof, it was just the same thing that people said. 

Jett is at a level that i don’t believe that you can beat him by just hammer down. You need to be even more smooth and efficient and RC was never that guy. 

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Tumic wrote:
It was not proof, it was just the same thing that people said. Jett is at a level that i don’t believe that you can beat him...

It was not proof, it was just the same thing that people said. 

Jett is at a level that i don’t believe that you can beat him by just hammer down. You need to be even more smooth and efficient and RC was never that guy. 

Well we disagree. Ricky had 76 overalls in big bike wins outdoors. Next closest is Dungey with 39. That's damn near double the next closest person.

RC had 26 overalls on little bike. Jett had 14 .

Maybe Jett beats him. But it's only a maybe. And just because Jett beat Eli does not mean he'd have anything for the GOAT.

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10/17/2025 10:02am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2025 10:04am

ahhhhhh this a tuff 1 for me , if we talking just for 4 motos im taking RC ,altho jett is a combination of everybody mentioned into 1 human athlete, Jett is like a tom brady , u can get him in a moto here & there but it’s hard to bet against him for a full complete championship series, but just for individual motos , I don’t see anybody stopping RC in just a random individual moto type scenario 

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Depends on the bikes everyone is riding. 
 
 RC - wins if they're riding carbureted 4-strokes, 125/250 2-strokes
 Herlings - wins if its sand
 JS - wins half the motos regardless of bike, on his head the rest
 RV - wins if on 250Fs
 Jett - wins on current machinery 7/10 times
 Everts - wins if mud or 90s Euro tracks, 500s or YZ400/426
 Gajser -  wins on current machinery hard/slippery track
 Eli - wins on current machinery brutal conditions
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10/17/2025 10:31am

I'd like prime JS7 to win but probably another boring season for carmichael 

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If its a series, I think peak RC would win and lose a few of the first races to a variety of people in this hypothetical field.

But by 2/3 of the way through the series he would find the formula to consistently just beat the shit out of everybody. That's just his MO.

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10/20/2025 10:47pm

Did anyone mention Vince Friese?  Jesus, did I just say that?

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Super Hunky!

 

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Dirt_Dawg wrote:

Lets have some fun with it, it's the offseason...lol

EU track hardpack 👌   Who you putting your money on?

Hard not to say Rc with how dominating he was. But, seems like Jett just does “just enough” to win. I’d say just to win titles but his rookie season showed that wasn’t the case. 

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10/21/2025 2:35am

These discussions can be fun, but to not have a guy in the discussion for greatest GP racer of all time included here is criminal. 

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10/21/2025 5:54am
matze wrote:

KR

x2 for Kenny 

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10/21/2025 6:20am

I'd say RC all day. He could ride uncomfortable and rise to the ocassion. The guy in his prime was almost unbeatble. He definitely didn't do it on talent, like Jett. He did it on grit...he never loved winning, but holy crap, he hated losing. RC would just win.  

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