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CPR wrote:

Has there been anything by anyone from the officiating side? Pelletier, Yogi, JBone…..anyone?

yak651 wrote:

Absolutely amateur hour when it’s almost 4 days later and no PR from AMA Pro Racing about this situation 

Agree, anything they put out now will seem contrived. A statement should have been made the same night.

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9/23/2025 8:40pm

I don't remember any of the details on J-Law but this was an AI except:

During the 2009 Monster Energy AMA Supercross, an FIM World Championship round in Jacksonville, Lawrence was involved in on-track altercations with Broc Hepler, which led officials to determine that he violated section 5.14 of the rulebook stating that no rider may endanger the life or limb of other riders. As a result, and due to his existing probationary status, Lawrence was suspended for the remainder of the 2009 Supercross season, fined $10,000 by the AMA, and had his probation extended until May 3, 2010. The FIM also fined him $3,000 and suspended him from the following round in Seattle.

I honestly don't remember all that was going on at that time. How did this incident compare to LV SMX?

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Farmer J wrote:
I have no idea. All I know is every week I hear how much of a dick he is. Ryder did spin out so I would...

I have no idea. All I know is every week I hear how much of a dick he is. Ryder did spin out so I would say the majority is on him. A little has to fall on deegan because that line he was taking was super high risk with someone in front. Probably why they put the pole there. Then you see the brainwashed fans say they did it to slow deegan down. 

I think this is being missed in the Jo drama. Deegan must have been VERY close to hitting him anyway. I think it shows a lack of care or safety.

How much time did that slide cost Ryder D? 2/10, 1/2 a second.....not a lot of margin to have a MX bike at head height.

That in itself could easily be called dangerous riding.

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Farmer J wrote:
I have no idea. All I know is every week I hear how much of a dick he is. Ryder did spin out so I would...

I have no idea. All I know is every week I hear how much of a dick he is. Ryder did spin out so I would say the majority is on him. A little has to fall on deegan because that line he was taking was super high risk with someone in front. Probably why they put the pole there. Then you see the brainwashed fans say they did it to slow deegan down. 

Madkiwi wrote:
I think this is being missed in the Jo drama. Deegan must have been VERY close to hitting him anyway. I think it shows a lack...

I think this is being missed in the Jo drama. Deegan must have been VERY close to hitting him anyway. I think it shows a lack of care or safety.

How much time did that slide cost Ryder D? 2/10, 1/2 a second.....not a lot of margin to have a MX bike at head height.

That in itself could easily be called dangerous riding.

Track builder fault for not putting the pole there to start the day but yeah technically cutting the track and endangering a fellow competitor should be getting more play but the second moto is taking the attention away from that

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It all boils down to 1 thing. The very industry that Brian snubbed his nose at is now kissing his ass for fear that if they punish or talk bad about Hayden Monster will back off support of the sport. Do you really think Ricky could have gave 2 shits about the FMX clowns when he was racing? Now he defends Deegans stupid antics because Monster pays him. AMA needs to stand up to their drama and do what's best for the riders and the sport.

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9/25/2025 1:17am

AMA's complete silence is absolutely deafening! They have really lost all professional credibility with this one.

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9/25/2025 2:11am

I wonder if Brian will kick Haiden out of the family bed for a week due to his actions?

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I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not per moto/race. So if Deegans 3-5 different moves met the threshold for penalty each, then 5 points for each. So 15+ points instead of the silly token 5 given. 
And if it's in a final of a season - SX, MX or SMX, then skip the written and straight to the 5.

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So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the...

So who at AMA do we email to protest their egregious decision making around not black flagging a reckless rider deliberately endangering other riders, and the meaningless penalty given to Deegan who was already on probation which means that the penalty should be worse because he was already on probation. He deliberately swerved into 3 different riders in moto 2 and so many times into Shimoda that AMA had plenty of time to notice what was happening. This is the most unprofessional racing I have ever seen and a rider deliberately trying to injure his competition. Deegan's AMA license needs to be pulled for a period. Not applying a proper penalty will only encourage this reckless behavior. Anyone have the email of relevant AMA officials?

Vital Karen’s at the ready…. Emailing the AMA & calling for the young man to be thrown in jail. Deegs has really gotten under your guys skin.  It’s hard to fathom being that upset over an SX race you didn’t even compete in. 

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ARM670 wrote:

Im sure Brian and Tim Cotter had a discussion with the AMA about it. 😜

The last time Brian and Tim were in a room discussing the rules, didn't they end up group intimidating some kid without any parents present?

mikeyjones wrote:

tim should have been fired for that and brian suspended for a year .

Suspended from what? Being Haidens dad?

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Ama a total joke now days.. owned and ran by feld/mx sports.... staffed by feld employees... absolutely a chitshow ... 

We deserve better than this

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9/28/2025 11:14am

When I was the AMA referee for the National Arenacross Series, I had to DQ several riders.  I won't name anyone though.

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When I was the AMA referee for the National Arenacross Series, I had to DQ several riders.  I won't name anyone though.

Curious, what would you have done in this case? 

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9/28/2025 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2025 5:10pm

The AMA did not Black flag Deegan for the same reason they did not Black flag Tomac. What about the dirtiest rider in the sport Justin Barcia who never gets a black flag for his stupid moves. As much as they do not want riders to do this stuff as long as they are not successful there is no need to worry about it. The promoters, the AMA and the Media love the drama as it will put more butts in the stands and more viewers on TV. 

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9/28/2025 6:00pm

When I was the AMA referee for the National Arenacross Series, I had to DQ several riders.  I won't name anyone though.

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Curious, what would you have done in this case? 

Black flag, DQd on the next lap. 

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9/28/2025 6:21pm
SlackBoy wrote:
I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not...

I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not per moto/race. So if Deegans 3-5 different moves met the threshold for penalty each, then 5 points for each. So 15+ points instead of the silly token 5 given. 
And if it's in a final of a season - SX, MX or SMX, then skip the written and straight to the 5.

Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...

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For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty before another penalty is applied, it's done in other motorsports by radio messages to the driver. It would be harder to implement in Supercross and Motocross.

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9/28/2025 6:38pm
yak651 wrote:
Track builder fault for not putting the pole there to start the day but yeah technically cutting the track and endangering a fellow competitor should be...

Track builder fault for not putting the pole there to start the day but yeah technically cutting the track and endangering a fellow competitor should be getting more play but the second moto is taking the attention away from that

Check Josh Grants line at GH BEFORE they put up pole for boundary....sick line!

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9/28/2025 8:33pm
SlackBoy wrote:
I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not...

I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not per moto/race. So if Deegans 3-5 different moves met the threshold for penalty each, then 5 points for each. So 15+ points instead of the silly token 5 given. 
And if it's in a final of a season - SX, MX or SMX, then skip the written and straight to the 5.

Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty...

Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...

image 2141.png?VersionId=lBj7Qsz03RjW.ijS53TYc3zkt4rd

For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty before another penalty is applied, it's done in other motorsports by radio messages to the driver. It would be harder to implement in Supercross and Motocross.

A penalty pit board would work, maybe with something to make it stand out when the penalized rider is nearing?

This isn’t a tough problem to solve. 

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9/28/2025 8:53pm
SlackBoy wrote:
I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not...

I don't think anyone has brought it up, but as a spitball idea for the future, wouldn't it make sense to be penalized per incident, not per moto/race. So if Deegans 3-5 different moves met the threshold for penalty each, then 5 points for each. So 15+ points instead of the silly token 5 given. 
And if it's in a final of a season - SX, MX or SMX, then skip the written and straight to the 5.

Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty...

Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...

image 2141.png?VersionId=lBj7Qsz03RjW.ijS53TYc3zkt4rd

For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty before another penalty is applied, it's done in other motorsports by radio messages to the driver. It would be harder to implement in Supercross and Motocross.

Gravel wrote:

A penalty pit board would work, maybe with something to make it stand out when the penalized rider is nearing?

This isn’t a tough problem to solve. 

The rider may not see it, just like red cross flags.

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Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty...

Penalties are meant to act as a deterrent...

image 2141.png?VersionId=lBj7Qsz03RjW.ijS53TYc3zkt4rd

For multiple penalties to work as a deterrent, the rider would need to be notified of the first penalty before another penalty is applied, it's done in other motorsports by radio messages to the driver. It would be harder to implement in Supercross and Motocross.

Gravel wrote:

A penalty pit board would work, maybe with something to make it stand out when the penalized rider is nearing?

This isn’t a tough problem to solve. 

The rider may not see it, just like red cross flags.

It wouldn’t matter, they were advised, the team was advised, proceed with the penalty. Assuming the penalty billboard was displayed when the rider was in direct line of sight and had a clear message, don’t accept any lame excuses. Riders can pick out their pit boards out of a sea of distractions.

We’re always being reminded that these riders are professionals, it’s reasonable to expect them to act like professionals.

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9/29/2025 7:18am

i just find it a complete face-palm that we have one of the most controversial events in history and our moto-media hasn't interviewed the one organization responsible for the event's decisions: the AMA. 

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