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Talking about riding...at the 7:30 mark...

Anybody got a camera...

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Imagine how pissed vital would be if he did Loretta’s. 

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Wow, that weight fluctuation is wild! "I wish somebody would have told me 50 lbs. ago . . ." hhahahahhahahhahahahhahahaha Stew is definitely funny.

So how about a track preview with Stew riding? Hell, people would lose their minds.

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jmo443 wrote:

Imagine how pissed vital would be if he did Loretta’s. 

Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I made it the year Carmichael qualified for 25 plus. It was amazing. 

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jmo443 wrote:

Imagine how pissed vital would be if he did Loretta’s. 

JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I...

Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I made it the year Carmichael qualified for 25 plus. It was amazing. 

They are made because they don’t know any other way to feel. Year he did +25 I raced him (well was on the track at the same time) and loved that. Did hole shot both times and was able to lead for more than a few corners. Not much more though. 

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He will be 40 in December I believe. Not one question if we will see him maybe at the Ranch next summer. 

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I...

Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I made it the year Carmichael qualified for 25 plus. It was amazing. 

"Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing?"

Yes. People on here complain about it yearly. 

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jmo443 wrote:

Imagine how pissed vital would be if he did Loretta’s. 

JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I...

Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I made it the year Carmichael qualified for 25 plus. It was amazing. 

jmo443 wrote:
They are made because they don’t know any other way to feel. Year he did +25 I raced him (well was on the track at the...

They are made because they don’t know any other way to feel. Year he did +25 I raced him (well was on the track at the same time) and loved that. Did hole shot both times and was able to lead for more than a few corners. Not much more though. 

And now you have a hell of a racing story to tell. Thats awesome 

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I...

Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I made it the year Carmichael qualified for 25 plus. It was amazing. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

"Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing?"

Yes. People on here complain about it yearly. 

Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have to qualify. Daytona is a great one. And any of the nationals on amateur day. Also it’s not like riding  Loretta’s track is a dream track. It’s just brutal. Would be amazing if James went and we could see him ride again.

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I...

Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing? The actual reason Loretta’s is so badass is because of the people that make it in. I made it the year Carmichael qualified for 25 plus. It was amazing. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

"Are they still getting pissed about ex pros racing?"

Yes. People on here complain about it yearly. 

JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have...

Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have to qualify. Daytona is a great one. And any of the nationals on amateur day. Also it’s not like riding  Loretta’s track is a dream track. It’s just brutal. Would be amazing if James went and we could see him ride again.

I mean, the “have any chance of qualifying anyway” comment goes right into the pros racing the classes…

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I don’t care how bad RC or Stew kicked my ass. I’d be honored to line up next to them and race them for 2 corners lol

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I am just glad that James gets back on it and rides. He seemed like he had a lot of angst against it after he retired. 

I always wonder if ex pro’s  can ever find the love in riding again like we all do. I know for me, I can never get enough and once loaded up from a day of riding I am always looking forward to the next.

We all started and continue because it’s fun and Hope they can still find the fun in it

Ride on…

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You know he is probably still able to go crazy fast. That’s the thing.

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jmo443 wrote:

Imagine how pissed vital would be if he did Loretta’s. 

Who here is beating Andrew Short, Jeff Emig or any of the other Superfast Vets? Have at it James, I'd watch that moto. 

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have...

Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have to qualify. Daytona is a great one. And any of the nationals on amateur day. Also it’s not like riding  Loretta’s track is a dream track. It’s just brutal. Would be amazing if James went and we could see him ride again.

From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros taking a gate away from a true amateur and it's an amateur nationals so they shouldn't be allowed. 

I see both sides. It is in fact an amateur nationals, so I can see why some don't want guys that earned money/a living and scored points to race Loretta's. Those guys/families spend a lot of money to get there, so I get that aspect as well. 

I also see the other side where it would be cool to lineup against those guys and that it's not a big deal if they're lining up since at that point in life, it's safe to say you're not going pro. One or two positions gained or lost doesn't change much at the end of the day. 

Should they have their own class? Probably. Would there be enough of them to fill 40 gates? I don't know. Currently there's only a few pros/ex-pros that line up. Maybe that changes if they had a dedicated class.

I'm sure there's a solution, but that's not my call to make. 

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have...

Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have to qualify. Daytona is a great one. And any of the nationals on amateur day. Also it’s not like riding  Loretta’s track is a dream track. It’s just brutal. Would be amazing if James went and we could see him ride again.

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From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros...

From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros taking a gate away from a true amateur and it's an amateur nationals so they shouldn't be allowed. 

I see both sides. It is in fact an amateur nationals, so I can see why some don't want guys that earned money/a living and scored points to race Loretta's. Those guys/families spend a lot of money to get there, so I get that aspect as well. 

I also see the other side where it would be cool to lineup against those guys and that it's not a big deal if they're lining up since at that point in life, it's safe to say you're not going pro. One or two positions gained or lost doesn't change much at the end of the day. 

Should they have their own class? Probably. Would there be enough of them to fill 40 gates? I don't know. Currently there's only a few pros/ex-pros that line up. Maybe that changes if they had a dedicated class.

I'm sure there's a solution, but that's not my call to make. 

People have complained about being hanged with a used rope. So there's that. 

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Former pros (the real ones) are only allowed to race in like 2-3 classes out of the 3,000 at LL and nobody is forcing anyone to race those classes with them lol this argument is so dumb

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have...

Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have to qualify. Daytona is a great one. And any of the nationals on amateur day. Also it’s not like riding  Loretta’s track is a dream track. It’s just brutal. Would be amazing if James went and we could see him ride again.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros...

From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros taking a gate away from a true amateur and it's an amateur nationals so they shouldn't be allowed. 

I see both sides. It is in fact an amateur nationals, so I can see why some don't want guys that earned money/a living and scored points to race Loretta's. Those guys/families spend a lot of money to get there, so I get that aspect as well. 

I also see the other side where it would be cool to lineup against those guys and that it's not a big deal if they're lining up since at that point in life, it's safe to say you're not going pro. One or two positions gained or lost doesn't change much at the end of the day. 

Should they have their own class? Probably. Would there be enough of them to fill 40 gates? I don't know. Currently there's only a few pros/ex-pros that line up. Maybe that changes if they had a dedicated class.

I'm sure there's a solution, but that's not my call to make. 

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  

So if you don't want to race former pros, race one of those.  The theory "once a pro always a pro" is ridiculous.  

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JohnnyD13 wrote:
Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have...

Are the people complaining ones that actually race or have any chance at qualifying anyway? Theres some really cool races you can do and don’t have to qualify. Daytona is a great one. And any of the nationals on amateur day. Also it’s not like riding  Loretta’s track is a dream track. It’s just brutal. Would be amazing if James went and we could see him ride again.

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From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros...

From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros taking a gate away from a true amateur and it's an amateur nationals so they shouldn't be allowed. 

I see both sides. It is in fact an amateur nationals, so I can see why some don't want guys that earned money/a living and scored points to race Loretta's. Those guys/families spend a lot of money to get there, so I get that aspect as well. 

I also see the other side where it would be cool to lineup against those guys and that it's not a big deal if they're lining up since at that point in life, it's safe to say you're not going pro. One or two positions gained or lost doesn't change much at the end of the day. 

Should they have their own class? Probably. Would there be enough of them to fill 40 gates? I don't know. Currently there's only a few pros/ex-pros that line up. Maybe that changes if they had a dedicated class.

I'm sure there's a solution, but that's not my call to make. 

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  So...

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  

So if you don't want to race former pros, race one of those.  The theory "once a pro always a pro" is ridiculous.  

What’s the arguement for the sportsman being “scored a pro point” vs qualified for a pro race?

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From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros...

From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros taking a gate away from a true amateur and it's an amateur nationals so they shouldn't be allowed. 

I see both sides. It is in fact an amateur nationals, so I can see why some don't want guys that earned money/a living and scored points to race Loretta's. Those guys/families spend a lot of money to get there, so I get that aspect as well. 

I also see the other side where it would be cool to lineup against those guys and that it's not a big deal if they're lining up since at that point in life, it's safe to say you're not going pro. One or two positions gained or lost doesn't change much at the end of the day. 

Should they have their own class? Probably. Would there be enough of them to fill 40 gates? I don't know. Currently there's only a few pros/ex-pros that line up. Maybe that changes if they had a dedicated class.

I'm sure there's a solution, but that's not my call to make. 

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  So...

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  

So if you don't want to race former pros, race one of those.  The theory "once a pro always a pro" is ridiculous.  

30minmotos wrote:

What’s the arguement for the sportsman being “scored a pro point” vs qualified for a pro race?

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere close to scoring points.

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They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  So...

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  

So if you don't want to race former pros, race one of those.  The theory "once a pro always a pro" is ridiculous.  

30minmotos wrote:

What’s the arguement for the sportsman being “scored a pro point” vs qualified for a pro race?

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere...

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere close to scoring points.

So competing in a pro race, qualifying for the pro race, isn’t being a “pro?”

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Man I’d love to see a new vid of James riding. He’s super lean right now , probably fast af with that same killer style. I wonder what brand bike he’s riding, would be cool to see him on a Kawi again. 

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30minmotos wrote:

What’s the arguement for the sportsman being “scored a pro point” vs qualified for a pro race?

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere...

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere close to scoring points.

30minmotos wrote:

So competing in a pro race, qualifying for the pro race, isn’t being a “pro?”

Yes, they were not a professional making money from the sport. 

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Man I’d love to see a new vid of James riding. He’s super lean right now , probably fast af with that same killer style. I...

Man I’d love to see a new vid of James riding. He’s super lean right now , probably fast af with that same killer style. I wonder what brand bike he’s riding, would be cool to see him on a Kawi again. 

I don't remember if it was a video/interview or the broadcast, but I remember him saying he has a Honda that he takes out once in awhile. 

Now, if Kawasaki were smart and wanted to break the internet, slap a 259 on their new two stroke and let James rip around on it. He's got enough left in the tank for a couple of laps and that's all they need to make a video. 

Airoh, Seven, Kawasaki. 

Three brands, 1 video. Genius. 😄

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30minmotos wrote:

What’s the arguement for the sportsman being “scored a pro point” vs qualified for a pro race?

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere...

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere close to scoring points.

30minmotos wrote:

So competing in a pro race, qualifying for the pro race, isn’t being a “pro?”

Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen or more paid riders out for injury or "banged up" that opens that many spots at the back of the pack.  Those guys get the chance to line up, but many are 10 seconds or more a lap off the pace.  They have full time jobs and race too.  You are saying they don't deserve the opportunity to race for an Amateur national championship years later??

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Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere...

Scoring a point means they were actually a pro.  There are plenty of guys that have qualified for national who are solid A guys, but nowhere close to scoring points.

30minmotos wrote:

So competing in a pro race, qualifying for the pro race, isn’t being a “pro?”

Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen...

Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen or more paid riders out for injury or "banged up" that opens that many spots at the back of the pack.  Those guys get the chance to line up, but many are 10 seconds or more a lap off the pace.  They have full time jobs and race too.  You are saying they don't deserve the opportunity to race for an Amateur national championship years later??

I’m not necessarily fighting to die on this hill at all, I simply asked why the cut off was scored points vs competed at the pro level. Seems an interesting distinction is all.


Finishing 21st at a pro race out of 40 sure seems like you would be a professional is all?


Especially considering the sportsman classes are the ONLY vet classes with any restrictions and the restrictions are you can’t have scored a point.


Every other vet class is wide open to former world champs let alone point scorers, just a dialogue.

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30minmotos wrote:

So competing in a pro race, qualifying for the pro race, isn’t being a “pro?”

Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen...

Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen or more paid riders out for injury or "banged up" that opens that many spots at the back of the pack.  Those guys get the chance to line up, but many are 10 seconds or more a lap off the pace.  They have full time jobs and race too.  You are saying they don't deserve the opportunity to race for an Amateur national championship years later??

30minmotos wrote:
I’m not necessarily fighting to die on this hill at all, I simply asked why the cut off was scored points vs competed at the pro...

I’m not necessarily fighting to die on this hill at all, I simply asked why the cut off was scored points vs competed at the pro level. Seems an interesting distinction is all.


Finishing 21st at a pro race out of 40 sure seems like you would be a professional is all?


Especially considering the sportsman classes are the ONLY vet classes with any restrictions and the restrictions are you can’t have scored a point.


Every other vet class is wide open to former world champs let alone point scorers, just a dialogue.

The word "former" is the key here.  There has to be a cut off somewhere.  For example, Lux Turner was 21st at Budds Creek.  So he should not be able to race as an amateur in 10 years.....oh wait, he has scored point before so not relevant.  Let's look a bit further back.  How about Patrick Murphy from IA?  Anyone heard of him?  So he should not be allowed to race in 30+ in 10 years?

 

My point is they have to cut it off somewhere and scoring a point is totally fine.....for some racing to be the BEST amateur in the Nation.  

 

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Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen...

Dude.  Go look at the start lists for the last few nationals and count the number of guys you have never heard of.  With a dozen or more paid riders out for injury or "banged up" that opens that many spots at the back of the pack.  Those guys get the chance to line up, but many are 10 seconds or more a lap off the pace.  They have full time jobs and race too.  You are saying they don't deserve the opportunity to race for an Amateur national championship years later??

30minmotos wrote:
I’m not necessarily fighting to die on this hill at all, I simply asked why the cut off was scored points vs competed at the pro...

I’m not necessarily fighting to die on this hill at all, I simply asked why the cut off was scored points vs competed at the pro level. Seems an interesting distinction is all.


Finishing 21st at a pro race out of 40 sure seems like you would be a professional is all?


Especially considering the sportsman classes are the ONLY vet classes with any restrictions and the restrictions are you can’t have scored a point.


Every other vet class is wide open to former world champs let alone point scorers, just a dialogue.

The word "former" is the key here.  There has to be a cut off somewhere.  For example, Lux Turner was 21st at Budds Creek.  So he...

The word "former" is the key here.  There has to be a cut off somewhere.  For example, Lux Turner was 21st at Budds Creek.  So he should not be able to race as an amateur in 10 years.....oh wait, he has scored point before so not relevant.  Let's look a bit further back.  How about Patrick Murphy from IA?  Anyone heard of him?  So he should not be allowed to race in 30+ in 10 years?

 

My point is they have to cut it off somewhere and scoring a point is totally fine.....for some racing to be the BEST amateur in the Nation.  

 

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He can race in every bet class besides the sportsman classes… as I said before…

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From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros...

From what I remember, some have complained about not even going to the qualifiers because "it's just not worth it." Some have complained about the pros/ex-pros taking a gate away from a true amateur and it's an amateur nationals so they shouldn't be allowed. 

I see both sides. It is in fact an amateur nationals, so I can see why some don't want guys that earned money/a living and scored points to race Loretta's. Those guys/families spend a lot of money to get there, so I get that aspect as well. 

I also see the other side where it would be cool to lineup against those guys and that it's not a big deal if they're lining up since at that point in life, it's safe to say you're not going pro. One or two positions gained or lost doesn't change much at the end of the day. 

Should they have their own class? Probably. Would there be enough of them to fill 40 gates? I don't know. Currently there's only a few pros/ex-pros that line up. Maybe that changes if they had a dedicated class.

I'm sure there's a solution, but that's not my call to make. 

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  So...

They do "have their own class" since the Sportsman classes were added.  30+ and 45+ are off limits if you ever scored a pro point.  

So if you don't want to race former pros, race one of those.  The theory "once a pro always a pro" is ridiculous.  

30minmotos wrote:

What’s the arguement for the sportsman being “scored a pro point” vs qualified for a pro race?

For one, I think there's good/complete single-source record keeping on one, and not the other.

Points scorers names go into the season points totals, which can be quickly and easily referenced for all years. I don't think they have start lists for all races for eternity or a designated keeper of those.

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