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Was never the best setting up suspension (was and am still) but the MXGP bikes look was softer in MX spect than the AMA bikes.......for all manufacturers. ??? Am i seeing things - and yeh, they seem fast AF also. Wasn't planning on making this a Prado thread - more interested in if anyone can comment on the bike part
"Wasn't planning on making this a Prado thread"
Mentions Prado.
Makes sense. 😄
The US bike are stiffer, its not just yours eyes, its the effect of supercross. The mxgp boys don't need to worry about the pointy boys.
In mxgp they can use prototyoe parts - well most factory bikes on the line are "prototypes" custom tailored to the rider holding the handlebars.
Everything from footpegs, shifters, brake levers, saddle height, triple clamps, shocks, forks, handlebars can and will be custom made to the rider.
In us, average Jou must have the possibility to buy let's say thr same bike Jett's running - it is going to cost you money , but there is a chance to buy one.
You can not ever buy let's say Fernandez CRF450RW 2027 model he was running in sweden
Its 100% individual. Feel it's an old myth that MXGP runs softer suspension in general.
Cairoils forks was basically same as a US SX setup the KTM US team has said.
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There are plenty of unobtainable parts on jett's bike.
that goes for every factory bike having unobtanium parts.
as for suspension .... beauty is in the eye of the beholder so every rider can have it set up to his liking. If they don't like it its the riders fault for not testing.
even production bikes have different internal setting between the USA and other countries production bikes. The test riders come up with the base package.
it was a problem with KTM's for years that they were to soft.
I don't think that's always true. If a rider wants brand X and the team wants you on brand Y, in some cases you'll be on brand Y. You also have restrictions on which tubers you can use, operating windows, and in the 250f class the production rule to contend with.
Actually i have been looking at the bike and can not find any parts not availible to public. You can even order engine mounts (material, finish and bends). You can actually buy the suspension parts he is using. You gotta be loaded with money or just rich but you can buy them.
Compared to let's say in Europe KTM Factory Red Bull doesn't know what parts DeCarli is using on his bikes and vice versa. They do not know the settings or do they know what parts either team is using. As far as public goes, they can only dream abour those WP's they are using. Let's say I was a mechanic for a satellite team, but the rider was auatrian and backed by the factory. He had suspension on his bike that came out to the public 5 years later. So was the engine. The cases were from a two year "newer" model and the head was availible to the public in 3 years time. I did not see the engine from the inside, to compare the differences but could see with the eye that the cases and head were different than the production 2019 on this fella. The frame was also the new so liked 2022 frame already. Wirhout a frame number but with a lot of different markings and you could see the welds were not so commercial on his frame. As i have been swapping engines between the motos and the engines always came with a case and an engineer who checked my work, took the out of frame engine, but it in a case and left quickly. So the amount of R & D KTM really put in their mx bikes was enourmous in my point of view.
Watch from 2:15
At 16:15 Mosiman says his bike felt super super soft compared to Cairoli`s.
There is no way in hell Cairoli's mx suspension was as stiff as the US sx settings.
This sport is full of myths. Including c riders needing aftermarket engine mounts and conevalves.
Wasn't it setup by Factory Connection in the us?
Perhaps but that doesn't mean the settings were the same as sx settings.
The KTM team literally said it was very similar as their SX setup, and mosiman has said before he has ridden SX suspension as stiff as Cairolis MX setup.
I'm a bit lost, I must have missed something. From what I know, stiff doesn't mean SX. A friend of mine that raced SX said a stiffer ICS spring was really necessary in SX. The other big factor is the ratio of base valve to midvalve, it has a huge effect on the curve. You can do a progressive setup that starts really soft and gets very stiff, digressive that's very stiff initially then doesn't increase as much, or something in the middle. They could all be called stiff, but that doesn't mean they're all SX setups.
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