Bar bend again

I lost you at “two 15 minute laps” 🤔

   I’m not tall and don’t have long arms, but I never understood taller riders (with long arms) needing to add bar risers or really tall bars. 
   But I suppose if torso is long, it could cause you to lean over more when standing ?? 

Back to the 15 minute laps….. 

 

I’m 6’3” myself, and I run RM low/Pastrana MX (not FMX) bend bars.  If you’re tall and have long arms, why would you want to exacerbate the problem by using risers that move your bars closer to your shoulders?  Tall guys with long arms do best with low flat bars with little sweep.  Our goal should be to lower our center of gravity and stretch it out across the length of the bike rather than making the bike taller and raising our center of gravity even higher.

Bars fwd is important when tall, but not to far, and preferably not passed alignment with forks.

Long arms pushes you back on the bike so as someone said, less sweep. Renthal 822 is good, 41mm but stock bars is good on Husky. 51mm sweep.

Armpump can come from so many different things. Most frequent would be ride position and technique, suspension setups, bar bends and type, size of grips, genes/muscle/anatomy. Very difficult to say what it's the actual source straight up.

If you just changed rear spring and fork springs you should be close to ok, need more rebound dampening for the heavier spring in rear at least. To fast and pushy rebound in rear will cause armpump because you will be working to keep the bike down.

Im 6'4 and run ODI CR High bars with no risers. Probably the most comfortable I've found any bar in a while.

Its the sweep. I could be mistaken, but i think your 25 and my 24 GG EC300 came with the same bars. They are a smidge taller and have more sweep than the moto bend. Trying to race my GG in the stock setup gave me armpump like no tomorrow. Switched back out to the stock 16-22 KTM bend which is more of a flatter bar with less sweep. Boom no more armpump. I could feel on the GG with stock bars that my wrists were at a weird angle and not straight. 

My bad, misread the TC as a TE. But look into a flatter bar. It helped me. 

Bars with less sweep, maybe pegs that move back (carapaks has multiple options and they aren’t too expensive), bar mounts/triple clamps that let you move the bars forward may all help. 23.5mm offset triple clamps can move the bars forward from stock depending on which brand. You probably need a longer frame but of course that isn’t an option. 

Also what is your sag set at? You might be falling off the back of the bike because it’s too low. 

Protaper husqvarna bar bend should be what came on the bike. Those specs aren’t too hard to find. 

If you buy clamps be aware Ride Engineering advertises that they move the bar mounts back 1.5mm for the 22mm offset, and I think 3mm for the 23.5. Probably best to go Xtrig or Luxon if you want more adjustments for the bar mounts. 

As previously suggested, bars with a higher rise and less aggressive sweep should steer you in the right direction (pun intended). As a Renthal guy, I recommend 'KTM High' (994 Twinwall/826 Fatbar) or 'RC High' (922 Twinwall/609 Fatbar), as those are two examples of tall bars with a tame sweep. Renthal also has the WorksFit comparison tool online which shows direct comparison to each bar they make. Other brands have good bars with comparable bends and quality but I'm mostly familiar with Renthal.

https://www.renthal.com/worksfit/

Something worth mentioning is the position of the roll angle can make or break your body position. In my experience, I ran 997 Twinwalls (stock CRF/KX bend) many years ago and had my roll angle almost in line with the forks; my elbows always dropped and I struggled with trying to bring my chest forward in corners. One of my coaches at ClubMX noticed this and suggested rolling them slightly back, which drastically improved my body positioning. I eventually switched to 996 Twinwalls for good, as it was a similar bend with a tamer sweep, but kept their roll angle advice. In your case, spend some time experimenting with the bar positioning, but I don't advise setting the roll angle past the forks; your arms will be stretched too far and it will create a nervous and jittery feeling to the front end.

Lastly, try to avoid bar risers taller than 5mm. I've ran 10mm risers before and I felt they didn't provide as good of feedback as the traditional 5mm height. It's not the end of the world if you have to use them, but I'd only consider resorting to them if the ideal bar doesn't solve your issue.

There is a lot of great advice coming from this thread. Being about a foot shorter than you, I don't have any experience personally to dole out. But having been in the moto/handlebar game for 30+ years, I have seen it all. The ex-Indiana Pacers center, Rik Smits (7'4"), used to come into my shop and we would spend some quality time trying to figure out how to make him more comfortable on the bike. 

I don't want to come off 'smammy' but I also want to make sure we do our part to help riders find the right bar bend... and if that means pointing you to another brand, not a worry. Much rather you be happy and moto'ing than calling no joy and ditching the dirt bike. 

Happy to talk on a call if that helps. And this goes for anyone. My cell is 408-607-7276. Name is Jason. (Mr. Lindsay, if this crosses that line... just let a dude know.)

Pro Taper Evo RC bend used to be my go-to bars until I tried the 8050 Phoenix bar! I'm running the 8050 on 3 of my bikes, and will eventually have those bars on all my bikes. The height, sweep, and extended "controls region" can't be beat - and the comfort is comparable to the Pro Taper EVO, IMO. Thanks for offering an awesome bar option 🤝

I'm not as tall as you are, but I do have the long arm syndrome. I run a flatter bar bend and when I've had adjustable triple clamps, I ran the clamps forward so I had more room in the rider compartment. (This raises the handlebar slightly, too.) 

One thing that really helped me is to run my levers higher than I used to when I was a kid. I had lots of arm pump issues until that little adjustment and it has made all the difference. You might try that. 

Finally, soft grips with lots of material also help to cut down vibrations. Try a full-waffle, soft variety and see if it helps with the arm pump. 

@scootscheerer do you have pictures of your current bar setup?

FYI went to your site and tried to do the "find your bar bend" and I think the link is broken. Tried on two browsers with no luck, just white screen 

I see what you see... a white screen. It did open on both Safari and Chrome but it took about 20 seconds. I'll see what is affecting it. Thanks for the heads up. 

Try this link: 

https://phoenixhandlebars.com/pages/find-your-bar-bend

I have nothing to add here but for some reason I feel like a hero with low bar bends.

Idk why. So I just stuck with it.

Taller seat might help the sitting position?

I got you with a blue pad cover, my man. If you end up pulling the trigger, I'll make it happen. 

I think everything looks good as far as the positioning of your bars and levers. I can certainly see the need for a taller bar, with a tame sweep. Again, I don’t recommend rolling the bars past the angle of the forks, or putting risers taller than 5mm but the only way you’ll know if that kind of set up works is to try it yourself. 

I stand by the KTM high/RC High bend from Renthal, but it sounds like the Phoenix guy will get you set up with something similar, or perhaps better.

+1 for the RC High. I’m only 6’1”-6’2” and love them. I have mine rolled forward a few lines from center but everyone’s wrists are a little different. Theres a little learning curve to getting the elbows up in a level to little above the bars in seated turns but way better standing up. Also, another +1 for trying the taller seat. It makes the seated to standing transition a touch easier.