Appeals court upholds trade court ruling on tariffs

8/31/2025 9:43am

It brought the bad economy to much worse actually the worst ever.  Mid Feb 2021 78 loads 2 months earlier 1.7 mil 200 mi radius of Chicago .  Real bad now lack of loads record bankruptcy, wages are cut 40% . Co.s are operating off millions in loans they dont actually make anything. Sales people loosing there jobs. Tariffs it’s about make the government great again not the country. 

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8/31/2025 10:21am
burn1986 wrote:
Who cares. Trump’s doing a good job, in spite of the whacks, just like TDSer who started this forum. It’s so funny to watch these guys get...

Who cares. Trump’s doing a good job, in spite of the whacks, just like TDSer who started this forum. 

It’s so funny to watch these guys get all stirred up watching the lib media wanting to immediately form a lynch mob (with no idea why they’re in a rage).

Look at L2S, who’s devoted all his energy/ life to “get Trump.” You have organizations, agencies, billionaires,  industry champions, who have been organized and mobilized to do nothing else but “get Trump!”

However, none of these bozos have any alternative, downplay any problems in the US, champion for criminals and corrupt public officials, crusade for mental illness, and their #1 goal is “get Trump!”

 

Borg's not a TDSer. He's equal opportunist hater of all politicians. And you can actually have conversation with him. As much as we don't agree, you have to respect he believes in his position and doesn't resort to name calling and reduce the conversation to stupid degrading snarky remarks. I'd venture to bet if the topic was not politics you'd even like him.

TM

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8/31/2025 10:39am
burn1986 wrote:
Who cares. Trump’s doing a good job, in spite of the whacks, just like TDSer who started this forum. It’s so funny to watch these guys get...

Who cares. Trump’s doing a good job, in spite of the whacks, just like TDSer who started this forum. 

It’s so funny to watch these guys get all stirred up watching the lib media wanting to immediately form a lynch mob (with no idea why they’re in a rage).

Look at L2S, who’s devoted all his energy/ life to “get Trump.” You have organizations, agencies, billionaires,  industry champions, who have been organized and mobilized to do nothing else but “get Trump!”

However, none of these bozos have any alternative, downplay any problems in the US, champion for criminals and corrupt public officials, crusade for mental illness, and their #1 goal is “get Trump!”

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Borg's not a TDSer. He's equal opportunist hater of all politicians. And you can actually have conversation with him. As much as we don't agree, you...

Borg's not a TDSer. He's equal opportunist hater of all politicians. And you can actually have conversation with him. As much as we don't agree, you have to respect he believes in his position and doesn't resort to name calling and reduce the conversation to stupid degrading snarky remarks. I'd venture to bet if the topic was not politics you'd even like him.

TM

Thanks for the kind words TM. Maybe you headed him in a better direction as he was barking up the wrong tree. I don't have strong opinions on a lot of things but I have done my homework when it comes to macro econ 101. What I know and believe did not come from politicians or cable news. 

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8/31/2025 11:21am
burn1986 wrote:
Who cares. Trump’s doing a good job, in spite of the whacks, just like TDSer who started this forum. It’s so funny to watch these guys get...

Who cares. Trump’s doing a good job, in spite of the whacks, just like TDSer who started this forum. 

It’s so funny to watch these guys get all stirred up watching the lib media wanting to immediately form a lynch mob (with no idea why they’re in a rage).

Look at L2S, who’s devoted all his energy/ life to “get Trump.” You have organizations, agencies, billionaires,  industry champions, who have been organized and mobilized to do nothing else but “get Trump!”

However, none of these bozos have any alternative, downplay any problems in the US, champion for criminals and corrupt public officials, crusade for mental illness, and their #1 goal is “get Trump!”

 

ToolMaker wrote:
Borg's not a TDSer. He's equal opportunist hater of all politicians. And you can actually have conversation with him. As much as we don't agree, you...

Borg's not a TDSer. He's equal opportunist hater of all politicians. And you can actually have conversation with him. As much as we don't agree, you have to respect he believes in his position and doesn't resort to name calling and reduce the conversation to stupid degrading snarky remarks. I'd venture to bet if the topic was not politics you'd even like him.

TM

Most of us approve using tariffs to help level trade imbalances. Where we diverge is Trump’s approach, which lacks specificity and changes frequently. This creates long term strategy and investment challenges that override short term gains. If the WH would simply define the rationale and make tariff application less about retribution then we could benefit from the revenue uplift and allow foreign and domestic enterprises to plan accordingly. And look less like he’s pulling the numbers out of his ass. 

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8/31/2025 11:31am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2026 6:11pm

I can’t wait until all the manufacturing of plastic crap is back in the US and everybody has a high paying job making junk to sell to other highly paid junk makers 

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Fine, don't look it up.How about you explain your original post? "How exactly are you paying for it. What we've been paying for is Europe's "free"...

Fine, don't look it up.

How about you explain your original post? 

"How exactly are you paying for it. What we've been paying for is Europe's "free" health care being subsidized by tariffs on us. And pharmaceuticals that all previous administrations have allowed us to pay 10s and 100s of times the price so they can buy dirt cheap."

Stay ignorant my friend.

ToolMaker wrote:
After WWII, the US allowed Europe to tariff us and we would not tariff them to help them rebuild. Up until Trump, we were still being...

After WWII, the US allowed Europe to tariff us and we would not tariff them to help them rebuild. Up until Trump, we were still being tariffed to make them rich. They sell their stuff here but close their markets to us. And it's not limited to Europe. It makes zero sense. Ideally, if there were zero tariffs in both directions, that would be great. But there's not. So if tariffs are such a bad thing that gets your panties in a wad, I'm sure you were making posts about the heavy tariffs on the US from 🇨🇦 and the rest of the world last year? Yeah, I thought so, it's only good if other countries do it to us.

Heavy tariffs, you are hilarious, there was a free trade agreement (IE not tariffs) between the US and Canada and the US and Mexico, not to...

Heavy tariffs, you are hilarious, there was a free trade agreement (IE not tariffs) between the US and Canada and the US and Mexico, not to mention the following countries...

   Australia
   Bahrain
   Chile
   Colombia
   Costa Rica
   Dominican Republic
   El Salvador
   Guatemala
   Honduras
   Israel
   Jordan
   Korea
   Morocco
   Nicaragua
   Oman
   Panama
   Peru
   Singapore

Trump tariffed all these countries, but exempted Russia!

I had no idea all of those countries were in Europe. 

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8/31/2025 5:23pm
ToolMaker wrote:
After WWII, the US allowed Europe to tariff us and we would not tariff them to help them rebuild. Up until Trump, we were still being...

After WWII, the US allowed Europe to tariff us and we would not tariff them to help them rebuild. Up until Trump, we were still being tariffed to make them rich. They sell their stuff here but close their markets to us. And it's not limited to Europe. It makes zero sense. Ideally, if there were zero tariffs in both directions, that would be great. But there's not. So if tariffs are such a bad thing that gets your panties in a wad, I'm sure you were making posts about the heavy tariffs on the US from 🇨🇦 and the rest of the world last year? Yeah, I thought so, it's only good if other countries do it to us.

Heavy tariffs, you are hilarious, there was a free trade agreement (IE not tariffs) between the US and Canada and the US and Mexico, not to...

Heavy tariffs, you are hilarious, there was a free trade agreement (IE not tariffs) between the US and Canada and the US and Mexico, not to mention the following countries...

   Australia
   Bahrain
   Chile
   Colombia
   Costa Rica
   Dominican Republic
   El Salvador
   Guatemala
   Honduras
   Israel
   Jordan
   Korea
   Morocco
   Nicaragua
   Oman
   Panama
   Peru
   Singapore

Trump tariffed all these countries, but exempted Russia!

vet323 wrote:

I had no idea all of those countries were in Europe. 

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

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8/31/2025 6:29pm
Heavy tariffs, you are hilarious, there was a free trade agreement (IE not tariffs) between the US and Canada and the US and Mexico, not to...

Heavy tariffs, you are hilarious, there was a free trade agreement (IE not tariffs) between the US and Canada and the US and Mexico, not to mention the following countries...

   Australia
   Bahrain
   Chile
   Colombia
   Costa Rica
   Dominican Republic
   El Salvador
   Guatemala
   Honduras
   Israel
   Jordan
   Korea
   Morocco
   Nicaragua
   Oman
   Panama
   Peru
   Singapore

Trump tariffed all these countries, but exempted Russia!

vet323 wrote:

I had no idea all of those countries were in Europe. 

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

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While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you, Canada doesn't seem to even know their own guidelines for what they tariff.

From Duck AI:

"Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Canada allows a specific volume of U.S. dairy products to enter at lower or zero tariffs. For fluid milk, the quota for 2024 was 50,000 metric tons. Any exports beyond this quota faced the high tariff rate of 241%."

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8/31/2025 7:24pm
vet323 wrote:

I had no idea all of those countries were in Europe. 

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

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ToolMaker wrote:
While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you...

While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you, Canada doesn't seem to even know their own guidelines for what they tariff.

From Duck AI:

"Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Canada allows a specific volume of U.S. dairy products to enter at lower or zero tariffs. For fluid milk, the quota for 2024 was 50,000 metric tons. Any exports beyond this quota faced the high tariff rate of 241%."

Do you always rely on AI to do your research, instead of going to the source document?

The US charged a tariff on Canadian milk that exceeded the US's quota...

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And yes, I have manufactured goods and shipped to Canada.

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9/1/2025 12:32am
vet323 wrote:

I had no idea all of those countries were in Europe. 

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

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ToolMaker wrote:
While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you...

While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you, Canada doesn't seem to even know their own guidelines for what they tariff.

From Duck AI:

"Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Canada allows a specific volume of U.S. dairy products to enter at lower or zero tariffs. For fluid milk, the quota for 2024 was 50,000 metric tons. Any exports beyond this quota faced the high tariff rate of 241%."

...and that trigger point has never been met.

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TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

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ToolMaker wrote:
While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you...

While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you, Canada doesn't seem to even know their own guidelines for what they tariff.

From Duck AI:

"Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Canada allows a specific volume of U.S. dairy products to enter at lower or zero tariffs. For fluid milk, the quota for 2024 was 50,000 metric tons. Any exports beyond this quota faced the high tariff rate of 241%."

Do you always rely on AI to do your research, instead of going to the source document?The US charged a tariff on Canadian milk that exceeded...

Do you always rely on AI to do your research, instead of going to the source document?

The US charged a tariff on Canadian milk that exceeded the US's quota...

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And yes, I have manufactured goods and shipped to Canada.

No, but had to in this case. Since you could not verify or would not believe any personal experiences so I asked for an example. I used to design industrial automation equipment. It was a big chunk of change that went straight to the Canadian gvmt. My most recent interaction with a customer that was sent something, got miscoded, he told me someone coded it as "raw steel" and your government wanted a 25% tariff. Their answer, pay the tariff and dispute it, probably get a refund in 3 months. Now in addition to that, I'm not sure the technical difference between a tariff and duty tax. But not so funny story of how fu@ked up the Canadian gvmt is.

My Mom and Dad bought a condo in North Vancouver. Mom and Dad drove up one time with drapes for the windows. At the border, they were asked "anything to declare?" Nope. Off to secondary inspection. Upon finding the drapes, they literally arrested my Mom and Dad and impounded the car. The law was, you were allowed to bring in furnishings for up to one year duty free to furnish your place. Did the officer listen? Fu@k no. Cost them many thousands of $$s and being arrested for the better part of the day. The attorney told them they could get their fines back but it would cost thousands in attorney fees to do it, probably a wash. So, they paid and decided not to fight it.

Yup, the great case of smuggling drapes for a few windows.

While Canada has a lot of great people, the Canadian gvmt is just as fu@ked up as any.

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9/1/2025 6:48am
ToolMaker wrote:
While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you...

While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you, Canada doesn't seem to even know their own guidelines for what they tariff.

From Duck AI:

"Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Canada allows a specific volume of U.S. dairy products to enter at lower or zero tariffs. For fluid milk, the quota for 2024 was 50,000 metric tons. Any exports beyond this quota faced the high tariff rate of 241%."

Do you always rely on AI to do your research, instead of going to the source document?The US charged a tariff on Canadian milk that exceeded...

Do you always rely on AI to do your research, instead of going to the source document?

The US charged a tariff on Canadian milk that exceeded the US's quota...

image 2058

And yes, I have manufactured goods and shipped to Canada.

ToolMaker wrote:
No, but had to in this case. Since you could not verify or would not believe any personal experiences so I asked for an example. I...

No, but had to in this case. Since you could not verify or would not believe any personal experiences so I asked for an example. I used to design industrial automation equipment. It was a big chunk of change that went straight to the Canadian gvmt. My most recent interaction with a customer that was sent something, got miscoded, he told me someone coded it as "raw steel" and your government wanted a 25% tariff. Their answer, pay the tariff and dispute it, probably get a refund in 3 months. Now in addition to that, I'm not sure the technical difference between a tariff and duty tax. But not so funny story of how fu@ked up the Canadian gvmt is.

My Mom and Dad bought a condo in North Vancouver. Mom and Dad drove up one time with drapes for the windows. At the border, they were asked "anything to declare?" Nope. Off to secondary inspection. Upon finding the drapes, they literally arrested my Mom and Dad and impounded the car. The law was, you were allowed to bring in furnishings for up to one year duty free to furnish your place. Did the officer listen? Fu@k no. Cost them many thousands of $$s and being arrested for the better part of the day. The attorney told them they could get their fines back but it would cost thousands in attorney fees to do it, probably a wash. So, they paid and decided not to fight it.

Yup, the great case of smuggling drapes for a few windows.

While Canada has a lot of great people, the Canadian gvmt is just as fu@ked up as any.

The Canadian government is not my government, I'm on the other side of the world.

Put the correct harmonized code, the correct description, cost and country of origin on the Commercial Invoice, if the customs broker submits the wrong details, their invoice can be disputed, once it's submitted to customs, it's difficult to recover the tariff for all countries.

I ship things regularly, suppliers and customers ship goods to me regularly. When goods come into the country, my customs broker contacts me to confirm shipment details, they are often incorrect and are corrected before submitting the documents to customs.

What your parents did wrong was not declaring the drapes, the same thing applies for all countries, declare the goods, even if they are duty free, Canadian Customs followed procedure, US Customs would do the same thing.

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Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.

Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it got miscoded, brought to light that there are things getting tariffed. But that's just typical. Go off on a tangent.

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Had some discussions with Borg in the past. Key word discussions, others on this forum it is impossible to actually have a conversation with and main reason I just pop in and out. 

Rule of thumb, be above the discussion 

9/1/2025 10:48am
TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

TM was claiming heavy tariffs from Canada last year...

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ToolMaker wrote:
While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you...

While I didn't single out Canada, they also tariff us heavily. Have you ever manufactured anything and shipped goods to Canada? What I can tell you, Canada doesn't seem to even know their own guidelines for what they tariff.

From Duck AI:

"Under the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Canada allows a specific volume of U.S. dairy products to enter at lower or zero tariffs. For fluid milk, the quota for 2024 was 50,000 metric tons. Any exports beyond this quota faced the high tariff rate of 241%."

ns503 wrote:

...and that trigger point has never been met.

I guess that's your proof tariffs work!

TM

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9/1/2025 5:08pm
ToolMaker wrote:

How about we start with India and Pakistan

ns503 wrote:

That was a 4 day skirmish whose end had zero to do with Trump tariffs. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong. When Marco goes over there and tells them if they don't wind that shit down, they'll lose access to the US market through tariffs so...

Wrong. When Marco goes over there and tells them if they don't wind that shit down, they'll lose access to the US market through tariffs so high, they wind it down. There's not many countries that don't need access to the US  market. Because you don't like Trump, you'll convince yourself there's a thousand other irrelevant reasons.

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?

Not likely - they are now too invested in getting up close and personal with Russia, China and North Korea. Et al. A new world order if you will. Thanks to the Trump Tariffs.

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9/1/2025 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 9/1/2025 6:19pm
ns503 wrote:

That was a 4 day skirmish whose end had zero to do with Trump tariffs. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong. When Marco goes over there and tells them if they don't wind that shit down, they'll lose access to the US market through tariffs so...

Wrong. When Marco goes over there and tells them if they don't wind that shit down, they'll lose access to the US market through tariffs so high, they wind it down. There's not many countries that don't need access to the US  market. Because you don't like Trump, you'll convince yourself there's a thousand other irrelevant reasons.

ns503 wrote:
So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?Not likely - they are now too...

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?

Not likely - they are now too invested in getting up close and personal with Russia, China and North Korea. Et al. A new world order if you will. Thanks to the Trump Tariffs.

"ns503 wrote:

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?"

 

You obviously have never been a parent so I'll let you in on a little secret. If your kid does something bad and you give them a swat on the ass, if they do something bad tomorrow, you can give them another swat on the ass. As a matter of fact, the idea of getting another swat on the ass usually deters more bad behavior. But don't pass this on, apparently this is highly secret information that most people don't know.

You're welcome

TM

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9/1/2025 6:35pm
ToolMaker wrote:
Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it...

Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.

Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it got miscoded, brought to light that there are things getting tariffed. But that's just typical. Go off on a tangent.

If your watch is valued over $800 it should be declared, Customs will ask you if it is a personal item, and may require a declaration it will not be sold or gifted while in the country.

As you said...

"My most recent interaction with a customer that was sent something, got miscoded, he told me someone coded it as "raw steel" and your government wanted a 25% tariff."

The 25% tariff Canada imposes on US steel is a recent tariff, in retaliation to the tariffs Trump imposed on Canadian goods, prior to "Liberation Day" there were no tariffs on US steel.

It sounds like you haven't been involved in preparing commercial documents, or dealing with customs brokers or customs.

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9/1/2025 6:39pm
ToolMaker wrote:
Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it...

Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.

Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it got miscoded, brought to light that there are things getting tariffed. But that's just typical. Go off on a tangent.

If your watch is valued over $800 it should be declared, Customs will ask you if it is a personal item, and may require a declaration...

If your watch is valued over $800 it should be declared, Customs will ask you if it is a personal item, and may require a declaration it will not be sold or gifted while in the country.

As you said...

"My most recent interaction with a customer that was sent something, got miscoded, he told me someone coded it as "raw steel" and your government wanted a 25% tariff."

The 25% tariff Canada imposes on US steel is a recent tariff, in retaliation to the tariffs Trump imposed on Canadian goods, prior to "Liberation Day" there were no tariffs on US steel.

It sounds like you haven't been involved in preparing commercial documents, or dealing with customs brokers or customs.

If I leave the country with my Breitling, when I come back home I don't have to declare it.

TM

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9/1/2025 6:41pm
ToolMaker wrote:
Wrong. When Marco goes over there and tells them if they don't wind that shit down, they'll lose access to the US market through tariffs so...

Wrong. When Marco goes over there and tells them if they don't wind that shit down, they'll lose access to the US market through tariffs so high, they wind it down. There's not many countries that don't need access to the US  market. Because you don't like Trump, you'll convince yourself there's a thousand other irrelevant reasons.

ns503 wrote:
So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?Not likely - they are now too...

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?

Not likely - they are now too invested in getting up close and personal with Russia, China and North Korea. Et al. A new world order if you will. Thanks to the Trump Tariffs.

ToolMaker wrote:
"ns503 wrote:So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?" You obviously have never been...

"ns503 wrote:

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?"

 

You obviously have never been a parent so I'll let you in on a little secret. If your kid does something bad and you give them a swat on the ass, if they do something bad tomorrow, you can give them another swat on the ass. As a matter of fact, the idea of getting another swat on the ass usually deters more bad behavior. But don't pass this on, apparently this is highly secret information that most people don't know.

You're welcome

TM

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not India's only market.

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9/1/2025 6:48pm
ToolMaker wrote:
Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it...

Nope. Shouldn't have had to "declare" anything same as you don't "declare" the watch on your wrist.

Also, you missed the whole point. The fact that it got miscoded, brought to light that there are things getting tariffed. But that's just typical. Go off on a tangent.

If your watch is valued over $800 it should be declared, Customs will ask you if it is a personal item, and may require a declaration...

If your watch is valued over $800 it should be declared, Customs will ask you if it is a personal item, and may require a declaration it will not be sold or gifted while in the country.

As you said...

"My most recent interaction with a customer that was sent something, got miscoded, he told me someone coded it as "raw steel" and your government wanted a 25% tariff."

The 25% tariff Canada imposes on US steel is a recent tariff, in retaliation to the tariffs Trump imposed on Canadian goods, prior to "Liberation Day" there were no tariffs on US steel.

It sounds like you haven't been involved in preparing commercial documents, or dealing with customs brokers or customs.

ToolMaker wrote:

If I leave the country with my Breitling, when I come back home I don't have to declare it.

TM

But you need to declare it if you travel to Canada.

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9/2/2025 5:59am
ns503 wrote:
So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?Not likely - they are now too...

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?

Not likely - they are now too invested in getting up close and personal with Russia, China and North Korea. Et al. A new world order if you will. Thanks to the Trump Tariffs.

ToolMaker wrote:
"ns503 wrote:So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?" You obviously have never been...

"ns503 wrote:

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?"

 

You obviously have never been a parent so I'll let you in on a little secret. If your kid does something bad and you give them a swat on the ass, if they do something bad tomorrow, you can give them another swat on the ass. As a matter of fact, the idea of getting another swat on the ass usually deters more bad behavior. But don't pass this on, apparently this is highly secret information that most people don't know.

You're welcome

TM

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not...

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not India's only market.

I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why in a thread where we're talking about countries tariffing other countries, some people are trying to make an issue of if I document a watch I'm wearing when I travel to Canada.

To plagiarize a fellow Vitard,

The exercise I'll get today is from shaking my head in disbelief.

TM

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9/2/2025 6:05am
ToolMaker wrote:
I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why...

I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why in a thread where we're talking about countries tariffing other countries, some people are trying to make an issue of if I document a watch I'm wearing when I travel to Canada.

To plagiarize a fellow Vitard,

The exercise I'll get today is from shaking my head in disbelief.

TM

Well damn dude, look who you've been dealing with in this thread.

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ToolMaker wrote:
"ns503 wrote:So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?" You obviously have never been...

"ns503 wrote:

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?"

 

You obviously have never been a parent so I'll let you in on a little secret. If your kid does something bad and you give them a swat on the ass, if they do something bad tomorrow, you can give them another swat on the ass. As a matter of fact, the idea of getting another swat on the ass usually deters more bad behavior. But don't pass this on, apparently this is highly secret information that most people don't know.

You're welcome

TM

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not...

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not India's only market.

ToolMaker wrote:
I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why...

I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why in a thread where we're talking about countries tariffing other countries, some people are trying to make an issue of if I document a watch I'm wearing when I travel to Canada.

To plagiarize a fellow Vitard,

The exercise I'll get today is from shaking my head in disbelief.

TM

You are the one who brought up the watch as an example.

It's interesting your brought up swatting kids asses, are you on the Epstein list?

 

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9/2/2025 7:19am
ToolMaker wrote:
"ns503 wrote:So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?" You obviously have never been...

"ns503 wrote:

So now that its 50% tariffs on India now, will we see India wind that shit back up on Pakistan?"

 

You obviously have never been a parent so I'll let you in on a little secret. If your kid does something bad and you give them a swat on the ass, if they do something bad tomorrow, you can give them another swat on the ass. As a matter of fact, the idea of getting another swat on the ass usually deters more bad behavior. But don't pass this on, apparently this is highly secret information that most people don't know.

You're welcome

TM

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not...

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not India's only market.

ToolMaker wrote:
I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why...

I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why in a thread where we're talking about countries tariffing other countries, some people are trying to make an issue of if I document a watch I'm wearing when I travel to Canada.

To plagiarize a fellow Vitard,

The exercise I'll get today is from shaking my head in disbelief.

TM

When a parent resorts to beating their kids to modify behavior, mistakes have already been made. Motivation by intimidation and fear should have no place in parenting. There are options. 

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9/2/2025 7:37am
If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not...

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not India's only market.

ToolMaker wrote:
I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why...

I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why in a thread where we're talking about countries tariffing other countries, some people are trying to make an issue of if I document a watch I'm wearing when I travel to Canada.

To plagiarize a fellow Vitard,

The exercise I'll get today is from shaking my head in disbelief.

TM

LoudLove wrote:
When a parent resorts to beating their kids to modify behavior, mistakes have already been made. Motivation by intimidation and fear should have no place in...

When a parent resorts to beating their kids to modify behavior, mistakes have already been made. Motivation by intimidation and fear should have no place in parenting. There are options. 

I agree, parents should not beat their kids.

TM

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I notice that there are a few posts missing. Was there some breach of the rules? 

9/3/2025 9:09am
borg wrote:

I notice that there are a few posts missing. Was there some breach of the rules? 

Damn, I can't remember what I ate for breakfast 30 min ago, or if I even ate breakfast. You have a damn good memory if you can spot missing posts.

TM

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9/3/2025 9:19am
If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not...

If you swat your kid on the ass, your kid may leave you and go live with their mother, India has options, the US is not India's only market.

ToolMaker wrote:
I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why...

I guess we know who's afraid to discipline their kids. And who makes the rules in some people's homes. Kind of explains a lot about why in a thread where we're talking about countries tariffing other countries, some people are trying to make an issue of if I document a watch I'm wearing when I travel to Canada.

To plagiarize a fellow Vitard,

The exercise I'll get today is from shaking my head in disbelief.

TM

LoudLove wrote:
When a parent resorts to beating their kids to modify behavior, mistakes have already been made. Motivation by intimidation and fear should have no place in...

When a parent resorts to beating their kids to modify behavior, mistakes have already been made. Motivation by intimidation and fear should have no place in parenting. There are options. 

I once told my mother to shut up when I was 14 years old. My father grabbed me by the neck pushed me against the wall “and said don’t ever fucking tell your mother to shut up”. 

Two lessons learned that day. Don’t fuck with the old man, and I found the line. Some kids (myself included) simply push back harder than others, and others push back further than me. Did my father do wrong? He raised me with respect and manners, but that was the line. 

You are right there are options. But those only last as long as the child is willing to engage. Parents have limits as well and it is there duty to love and raise the lie children to the best capabilities they have. Swats, firm lines are all good for children to understand boundaries. Without someone stroking them no, they will go through life believing they can do what they want. IE, change names, sexes, all in temporary feelings

Today, I respect my father for the position he took, he was defending his wife as he should don 
 

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