Ask the AMA About Amateur Racing

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8/22/2025 5:24pm

Why are there C classes at Loretta’s? Do we really need them? 


If we do need them, why only big bikes? Why not 65 and 85 C class?

 


 

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j368
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8/22/2025 6:49pm
j368 wrote:
We all know a lot of tracks are closing these days due to very high insurance premiums. What is the AMA doing to mitigate and help...

We all know a lot of tracks are closing these days due to very high insurance premiums. What is the AMA doing to mitigate and help these local track owners? It’s well publicized the AMA is helping with street bike owners, but one doesn’t seem to hear much, or very little about helping the MX and off road world. 

SlowOldGuy wrote:
Insurance companies are very simple.  They need to take in a little more than they give out.  High insurance premiums are directly related to high claims...

Insurance companies are very simple.  They need to take in a little more than they give out.  High insurance premiums are directly related to high claims activity.  We have an excellent insurance program for our events and have added practice day protections as well.

Tracks are closing due to claims.  The AMA is not interested in insuring a facility that allows a little kid on an e-bike to get killed by a teenager.  Lawsuits like this are extremely expensive and drive insurance rates through the roof.  If a track is sanctioning races, following our rules and risk management policies we can work with them.

I get that, it’s about making a profit. The issue is there are only a couple that write the policy needed, and they have the promoters by the stones and suck them dry. Is the AMA doing anything to get legislation introduced like they have in Arkansas and Texas about the inherent risk of riding that falls on the rider rather than the track owners? Maybe a better liability release that protects the tracks and discourages frivolous lawsuits? Something that actually holds up and pushes the risk on the rider that signed it?

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8/22/2025 7:30pm
j368 wrote:
I get that, it’s about making a profit. The issue is there are only a couple that write the policy needed, and they have the promoters...

I get that, it’s about making a profit. The issue is there are only a couple that write the policy needed, and they have the promoters by the stones and suck them dry. Is the AMA doing anything to get legislation introduced like they have in Arkansas and Texas about the inherent risk of riding that falls on the rider rather than the track owners? Maybe a better liability release that protects the tracks and discourages frivolous lawsuits? Something that actually holds up and pushes the risk on the rider that signed it?

 Its not the insurance company, sucking the tracks dry, it’s the  lawyers sucking the insurance dry . Regarding the release, there’s no release on the face of the  earth that excuses someone from negligence and most of the lawsuits claim negligence, whether there is any or not.  And yes, our government relations people are working on about five or six of the liability laws.

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8/22/2025 7:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2025 9:32pm

Dear AMA Motocross committee,

You’ve decided that in 2027 superminis will not be allowed in Women’s class. This effectively will take out half the women’s class locally. Any beginner, intermediate women, or simply anyone advanced who doesn’t want a big bike. There would be no more stepping stone into racing for adult women or anyone not ready for a big bike. This sport is already hard for girls and women as it is, why make it harder? You were not thinking of the local races. Putting someone on a big bike who is not ready or simply just not built for it is not a smart decision.

I don’t think you realize how many this will actually impact but this will severely hurt the turnouts. If you insist on standing by this. Add a class. Make a class for women on smaller bikes who don’t feel safe racing a full sized bike.

Thank you,

Amanda Ward.

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ward451 wrote:
Dear AMA Motocross committee,You’ve decided that in 2027 superminis will not be allowed in Women’s class. This effectively will take out half the women’s class locally...

Dear AMA Motocross committee,

You’ve decided that in 2027 superminis will not be allowed in Women’s class. This effectively will take out half the women’s class locally. Any beginner, intermediate women, or simply anyone advanced who doesn’t want a big bike. There would be no more stepping stone into racing for adult women or anyone not ready for a big bike. This sport is already hard for girls and women as it is, why make it harder? You were not thinking of the local races. Putting someone on a big bike who is not ready or simply just not built for it is not a smart decision.

I don’t think you realize how many this will actually impact but this will severely hurt the turnouts. If you insist on standing by this. Add a class. Make a class for women on smaller bikes who don’t feel safe racing a full sized bike.

Thank you,

Amanda Ward.

Honestly new bikes keep getting heavier and taller as time goes on too. New 4 strokes are absolute hippos.

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mxaniac
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8/22/2025 9:20pm
kb731 wrote:
I am with a club in the PNW and we hold random races/trail work throughout the year. However things getting harder and harder with insurance costs...

I am with a club in the PNW and we hold random races/trail work throughout the year. However things getting harder and harder with insurance costs and public funds decreasing. I have a few questions. 

Why does the AMA not offer charter clubs? These clubs are grassroots organizations and do the most for motorcycle riding and racing. We even have clubs up here with motocross tracks. 

Why does the AMA not offer single event insurance that doesn’t require AMA membership of racers, my club is part of a larger race series so we can’t follow AMA rules and NMA rules at the same time because some conflict. But we struggle greatly with insurance costs. 

What would it take to create a new district? We don’t have an AMA series in the PNW for Moto or off-road. Maybe we can switch things up a little and get some AMA support.

SlowOldGuy wrote:
We have tons of Chartered clubs that run races and racetracks / series.  I am currently working with an AMA promoter in the PNW to bring...

We have tons of Chartered clubs that run races and racetracks / series.  I am currently working with an AMA promoter in the PNW to bring more AMA activity to your area.

Insuring events that dont follow AMA is a tough one.  Our insurance program is a benefit to our members and promoters.  Extending this benefit to non AMA members and promoters who are not bound by our rules would do nothing but make rates go up for our members/promoters.

Starting a district starts with a phone call.

Not my intent to offend, although it will be easy to take my question that way.

Why would anybody want the AMA involved in amateur racing? Most PNW tracks I've been to aren't AMA, which many of us view as a distant out of touch bureaucracy. How does the AMA benefit the local racers?

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8/22/2025 10:05pm

Mx sports dictates amateur racing, not the ama, right?

Make amateur moto amateur again... One "exhibition" class at Lorettas, +25 Vet Pro for anyone who has made the fast 40 or those who get their rocks off getting lapped by ex pros. All other vet classes, no fast fast 40s dating back to the first year that info started being recorded. Vet pros can still race designated vet A classes and pro sport classes. 

The "no minis in the womens class" thing is just stupid. I doubt any woman supports that and if they do they're shooting themselves in their own foot. 

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8/23/2025 9:06am
ward451 wrote:
Dear AMA Motocross committee,You’ve decided that in 2027 superminis will not be allowed in Women’s class. This effectively will take out half the women’s class locally...

Dear AMA Motocross committee,

You’ve decided that in 2027 superminis will not be allowed in Women’s class. This effectively will take out half the women’s class locally. Any beginner, intermediate women, or simply anyone advanced who doesn’t want a big bike. There would be no more stepping stone into racing for adult women or anyone not ready for a big bike. This sport is already hard for girls and women as it is, why make it harder? You were not thinking of the local races. Putting someone on a big bike who is not ready or simply just not built for it is not a smart decision.

I don’t think you realize how many this will actually impact but this will severely hurt the turnouts. If you insist on standing by this. Add a class. Make a class for women on smaller bikes who don’t feel safe racing a full sized bike.

Thank you,

Amanda Ward.

Seems like you at least should be given an explanation. I can see where the ladies should be allowed to use the smaller bikes because of your size. If you and your competitors are fine with it shouldn't be a problem.

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8/24/2025 11:05am

Regarding women and big/small bikes: forcing a small or slower girl to ride a full size bike will only slow them down as opposed to a small bike. Therefore the speed differential increases, between faster and slower girls, potentially leading to more crashes. 
The right answer is to separate them into A,B, or C classes, but the participation numbers aren’t there for that. So just leave them alone, and keep the AMAs hands off it.

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8/24/2025 11:55am
SlowOldGuy wrote:
I may regret this but I want to give all of you a chance to ask any question about AMATEUR AMA racing.  My only request is...

I may regret this but I want to give all of you a chance to ask any question about AMATEUR AMA racing.  My only request is that questions about Outdoors and SX not be asked.  Other than being down the hall from Pelletier and Canfield I have nothing to do with AMA Pro. Questions about racing, our office structure, personnel, membership, claiming, rules, protests, or membership are all fair game.

As a point of reference for those who don't know I am Mike Burkeen, and I am the Deputy Director of Racing and am responsible for MX directly and have discipline managers that work with me in Off-Road and Track racing.

I am working on a project that is very tedious so these distractions will be welcome breaks.

Let the games begin!

Thanks for answering questions.  Great topic.  I think that a 125 senior class ( like over 45 years old)  would be popular if there  was a class.   I get why no old guys ride 125's, but really, they don't have a competitive option to either.......

 

I understand your philosophy on supermini racing, but feel it is flawed.  A larger bike may make individuals race in a more unsafe manner, as sometimes a larger bike can be a handful for some.  Isn't this the idea of young people not able to ride a 450 till a certain age? Young and smaller???

 

8/25/2025 4:26pm
SlowOldGuy wrote:
I may regret this but I want to give all of you a chance to ask any question about AMATEUR AMA racing.  My only request is...

I may regret this but I want to give all of you a chance to ask any question about AMATEUR AMA racing.  My only request is that questions about Outdoors and SX not be asked.  Other than being down the hall from Pelletier and Canfield I have nothing to do with AMA Pro. Questions about racing, our office structure, personnel, membership, claiming, rules, protests, or membership are all fair game.

As a point of reference for those who don't know I am Mike Burkeen, and I am the Deputy Director of Racing and am responsible for MX directly and have discipline managers that work with me in Off-Road and Track racing.

I am working on a project that is very tedious so these distractions will be welcome breaks.

Let the games begin!

I’m going in a totally different direction than everyone else… I would like to see a program that teaches kids to ride Supercross on the local level that extends to the national and regional level. 

— Road to Supercross: A New Path to Pro Racing


 

“Because not every champion starts at Loretta’s.”


 

- Program Introduction


 

The Road to Supercross is a groundbreaking national program built for one purpose:

to prepare, develop, and launch riders into the world of professional Supercross /Arenacross racing.


 

This program opens a new door for local and regional riders who dream of racing under the stadium lights—by giving them a legitimate, structured, and progressive pathway through Supercross and Arenacross-style competition.


 


 

🧭 How It Works: Tiered Structure


 

1️⃣ Local Qualifier Series – State Level


 

Each state across the country will host a 4-5 round Supercross series, held at:

Local rodeo arenas

Arenacross venues

Motocross facilities with Supercross-style tracks already built or approved


 

These events simulate real Supercross racing—tight lanes, technical rhythms, and pressure-packed main events. Riders will earn points throughout the series, and the Top 3 overall finishers per class will qualify for the next stage.


 


 

2️⃣ Regional Championship – One Shot to Rise


 

The top 3 from each state in eligible classes will move on to their designated Regional Supercross Championship Final. Regions include:

West

Central

East


 

Riders must compete within one region only. No transfers or cross-region qualifying.


 

The top 3 podium finishers in each Regional Championship Final will earn their golden ticket—to line up in the Supercross Futures / SMX Next event when the AMA Supercross tour hits their region.


 


 

3️⃣ Supercross Futures / SMX Next


 

Podium finishers at the Regional level (in qualifying classes) will advance to race in the Supercross Futures or SMX Next program—held at select rounds of the AMA Supercross Championship.


 

This is their first taste of the big stage:

Stadium crowd

National TV

Factory team eyes

Real professional race day format


 

This is where tomorrow’s stars make their mark.


 


 

— Eligible Rider Classes for Supercross Advancement


 

The Road to Supercross is designed to bring forward true next-level talent from the amateur ranks. Only the following classes are eligible to qualify for Supercross Futures / SMX Next:

250 B

Schoolboy 2

Collegeboy (18–24)


 

These classes represent the riders most likely to transition into the pro ranks in the next 1–3 years and are the core focus of the developmental push.


 


 

— What About the Youth & Vet Classes?


 

While the Supercross advancement path is reserved for the key pro development classes, Youth and Vet classes are absolutely part of this program.


 

These classes will:

Race in their state series

Qualify for the Regional Supercross Championship Final

Compete for the #1 Championship Plate in their class at the regional level


 

Their journey may not go to the stadium, but the prestige and intensity of a regional Supercross title still matter.


 


 

A Note to the Critics: “What About Loretta’s?”


 

We’ve already heard the question:

“Is this going to overlap or conflict with Loretta Lynn’s qualifiers?”


 

Let’s be clear: This program isn’t meant for everyone.

This program is not built to mirror or compete with Loretta Lynn’s. It’s built for those who want something different.

Some riders don’t want to race motocross all year.

Some want a career path built around Supercross and ArenaCross only.

Some families want a different financial and logistical route than the traditional Loretta’s grind.


 

Road to Supercross is that alternative.


 

It’s not a replacement.

It’s not a competitor.

It’s a new road—for a new generation of racers with a new vision for their future.


 


 

🔥 The Vision Forward


 

This program is about:


 

- Preparing riders for stadium racing

-Making Supercross more accessible

-Identifying real talent in real SX environments

-Giving local riders a reason to keep chasing the dream


 

And most importantly—giving young racers hope that there’s more than one way to make it.


 


 

Closing Statement:


 

Not every champion comes out of Loretta Lynn’s.

Not every family can afford the grind.

Not every rider wants to race outdoors.


 

But every rider deserves a path to the career they dream of.

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8/25/2025 11:12pm

^^^^^ as cool as some of these ideas above are.  The people in control have stopped many of these ideas over the years and will continue to do so.

carry on.

One i thing i can tell you.  ALL champions start at a local event.  not some, not many, but ALL.  

Seems our sport forgot that.

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