Stewart...Better indoors or out?

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10/9/2010 8:11pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
RC is one of my all time favorites. His jersey is in my living room for crying out loud:laugh: RC was better Outdoors. But we are...
RC is one of my all time favorites. His jersey is in my living room for crying out loudLaughing

RC was better Outdoors. But we are comparing a kid who was on a 2 stroke much of the time (that was actually willing to run that pace) to the best of all time with MUCH more experience.

Two bad dudes either way.
Bubba only raced 6 nationals on a 250cc against RC in 2005, so in 2006 and 2007 Bubba was on a 450f and only won 3 races against RC in MX.
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10/9/2010 8:15pm
Cygnus wrote:
Wrong! Bubba was faster. RC just had better conditioning.
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this in interviews. DONT confuse motocross and supercross.
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10/9/2010 8:50pm
Ddavis wrote:
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove? 2x 125 East Coast Champion 2x 125 Motocross Champion 2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0) 2x AMA Supercross Champion...
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove?

2x 125 East Coast Champion
2x 125 Motocross Champion
2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0)
2x AMA Supercross Champion
2006 World Supercross Champion
He's been on two winning MXDN teams
Named the fastest man on the planet for many years
13 Loretta Lynn titles (or something around there)
30+ supercross wins
He is a billionaire by now.


He's done everything there is to do.
Prince1 wrote:
Let me fix ur stats- 2002 125 mx 10/12 o/a 18 of 24 motos CHAMPION 2003 125mx 7/7 o/a 14/14 motos 2004 125 mx 11/12 23/24...
Let me fix ur stats-
2002 125 mx 10/12 o/a 18 of 24 motos CHAMPION
2003 125mx 7/7 o/a 14/14 motos
2004 125 mx 11/12 23/24 motos 1 dnf only loss CHAMPION
2005 250mx racing RC on 250 not good, posts 3 fastest laps
2006 250 mx 3/10 oa 5/20 motos
2007 250mx 1/7 4/14 motos
2008 250mx 12/12 24/24 CHAMPION

2005 sx 3 wins 6 races
2006 sx 8 wins 16 races
2007 sx 13 wins 16 races CHAMPION
2008 sx 1 win 2 races
2009 sx 11 wins 17 races CHAMPION
2010 sx 1 win 3 races

37 wins in sx 44 wins in mx 5 AMA TITLES, And has 16 sx wins over RC and only 3 MX wins over RC and all three were cause RC crashed.
Guys Stewart is great indoors and outdoors but let me put this in simple perspective.

Outdoors Stewart has 16 wins on the big bike and 2 supercross titles.

Carmichael has 76 wins outdoors and what, like 5 supercross titles!!

Stewart would need to duplicate his perfect season for like the next 6 years outdoors to catch up with carmichael on big big outdoor wins, and he needs 3 more supercross titles just to be considered on the same level as RC. How many think he can do this, I don't and give a ZERO percent chance of either RC record I mentioned falling to Stewart.

Also I doubt he will ever be considered the greatest supercross racer considering he has 37 wins and 2 supercross titles. Mcgrath for perspective has 72 supercross wins and 7 titles. I give this a ZERO percent chance of Stewart ever passing either McGrath record to.

Stewart is good but "Come On Man" he ain't that good and if he is that good he ain't tha motivated!!!

Can I get a GOAT!!!! And a SHOWTIME!!!!!
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D719: What? Were not comparing him to RC, everybody is just saying he cant win in general. Which is nonsense.

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10/10/2010 1:26am
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I am willing to bet he is nowhere close to being a billionaire.

Just sayin'
Ddavis wrote:
I think he got 14.1 million in 2009 alone. I dont care if thats not "nowwhere close to being a billionaire" That's still alot of money...
I think he got 14.1 million in 2009 alone.

I dont care if thats not "nowwhere close to being a billionaire"

That's still alot of money in the bank.
That is true.
I wonder how much he spent that year though?
Either way, the dude is living the dream!
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10/10/2010 7:05am
Cygnus wrote:
Wrong! Bubba was faster. RC just had better conditioning.
Prince1 wrote:
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this...
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this in interviews. DONT confuse motocross and supercross.
Quite true Sir
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10/10/2010 7:26am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2010 7:39am
Cygnus wrote:
Wrong! Bubba was faster. RC just had better conditioning.
Prince1 wrote:
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this...
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this in interviews. DONT confuse motocross and supercross.
I wish we could go back and see the fast lap times.
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10/10/2010 7:33am
Ddavis wrote:
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove? 2x 125 East Coast Champion 2x 125 Motocross Champion 2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0) 2x AMA Supercross Champion...
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove?

2x 125 East Coast Champion
2x 125 Motocross Champion
2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0)
2x AMA Supercross Champion
2006 World Supercross Champion
He's been on two winning MXDN teams
Named the fastest man on the planet for many years
13 Loretta Lynn titles (or something around there)
30+ supercross wins
He is a billionaire by now.


He's done everything there is to do.
mxtryon231 wrote:
I am willing to bet he is nowhere close to being a billionaire.

Just sayin'
"Named the fastest man on the planet for many years "

Only in his own lunchbox and in the eyes of the TV exec's and all his hangers on who blow smoke up his arse.
Stefan Everts made him look far from the FMOTPFMY when he rode around him stood up on the pegs at Matterley Basin MXDN in 2006.
Next time he rode at Donington Park MXoN 2008, Seb Pourcel gave him fits, passing him with ease. he nearly blew it for Team USA when he fell late in the second moto and couldn't restart his bike without assistance!
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10/10/2010 7:41am
Ddavis wrote:
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove? 2x 125 East Coast Champion 2x 125 Motocross Champion 2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0) 2x AMA Supercross Champion...
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove?

2x 125 East Coast Champion
2x 125 Motocross Champion
2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0)
2x AMA Supercross Champion
2006 World Supercross Champion
He's been on two winning MXDN teams
Named the fastest man on the planet for many years
13 Loretta Lynn titles (or something around there)
30+ supercross wins
He is a billionaire by now.


He's done everything there is to do.
mxtryon231 wrote:
I am willing to bet he is nowhere close to being a billionaire.

Just sayin'
robkinuk wrote:
"Named the fastest man on the planet for many years " Only in his own lunchbox and in the eyes of the TV exec's and all...
"Named the fastest man on the planet for many years "

Only in his own lunchbox and in the eyes of the TV exec's and all his hangers on who blow smoke up his arse.
Stefan Everts made him look far from the FMOTPFMY when he rode around him stood up on the pegs at Matterley Basin MXDN in 2006.
Next time he rode at Donington Park MXoN 2008, Seb Pourcel gave him fits, passing him with ease. he nearly blew it for Team USA when he fell late in the second moto and couldn't restart his bike without assistance!
It was Ricky Carmichael who named him that.
10/10/2010 9:15am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2010 9:19am
Everyone has their time in the spot light and leaves the stage, let James leave the stage in peace. Hannah, Johnson, Stanton, MC, RC all left and we cherish them as legends of the sport. A true champ should know when to throw in the towel! This sport is not easy on the body and mind, people like engines, have different powerbands if I may, some have broad and some have quick and narrow(analogy used to for mental strength, RC was broad powerband)). No matter which way you cut it, James has more than surpassed his impact on the sport and I'm sure if you ask his dad and himself, they would tell you they didn't think it would have gone this far(read between the lines)!!! There were some very fast kids in the sport, Preston, Heplar, just to name a few, where are they now, nobody seems to make a big deal, why James? Just saying!
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Everyone has their time in the spot light and leaves the stage, let James leave the stage in peace. Hannah, Johnson, Stanton, MC, RC all left...
Everyone has their time in the spot light and leaves the stage, let James leave the stage in peace. Hannah, Johnson, Stanton, MC, RC all left and we cherish them as legends of the sport. A true champ should know when to throw in the towel! This sport is not easy on the body and mind, people like engines, have different powerbands if I may, some have broad and some have quick and narrow(analogy used to for mental strength, RC was broad powerband)). No matter which way you cut it, James has more than surpassed his impact on the sport and I'm sure if you ask his dad and himself, they would tell you they didn't think it would have gone this far(read between the lines)!!! There were some very fast kids in the sport, Preston, Heplar, just to name a few, where are they now, nobody seems to make a big deal, why James? Just saying!
He`s 24, for fuck `s sake! He`s just two years older than RV, and three years older than Dungey. His season hasn`t started yet .
10/10/2010 10:03am
kongols wrote:
He`s 24, for fuck `s sake! He`s just two years older than RV, and three years older than Dungey. His season hasn`t started yet .
The saying goes, "walk a mile in a man's shoes and so on..." We are quick to judge.
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I think there is only soooo fast you can go on a SX track and all these guys are getting it down to tenths- James in the past seemeed able to find 1-4 tenths more with scrubs and corner speed- however more and more guys are closing that gap. Outdoors they used to let the tracks get rough and they change substantially throughout the race and there are soo any factors that a guy like James can really show his speed. I'd say SX has a point where you can't sdcub any lower or go through the bowl turn any faster and these guys have all figured it out so it comes down to starts and absolute precision and consistency...(unless it's like Seattle last year now that was a man's track!)
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kongols wrote:
It was Ricky Carmichael who named him that.
I thought it was Ralph "suckup" Shaheen, my bad.
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Indoors. He can go 90% for the 8 minute mains and not even break a sweat. Outdoors requires him to really put the time in which he doesnt seem to want to do these days. He is the fastest (not best) Supercross rider of all time. The same cant be said of the Outdoors.
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Indoors. He can go 90% for the 8 minute mains and not even break a sweat. Outdoors requires him to really put the time in which...
Indoors. He can go 90% for the 8 minute mains and not even break a sweat. Outdoors requires him to really put the time in which he doesnt seem to want to do these days. He is the fastest (not best) Supercross rider of all time. The same cant be said of the Outdoors.
MC and GOAT enough said!
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That's a hard question to answer for sure. He's an emotional rider. If someone gets in his head he'll do something stupid and wad up and maybe it's a little easier for people to do to him in SX. Outdoors, the only guy that was just plainly faster than him was RC, and he ate shit everywhere trying to keep up with the goat for a whole season. Once RC was gone, he goes 24-0, so I think it just kind of depends on whether or not there's someone that can put the pressure on him.
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10/11/2010 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2010 1:24pm
Cygnus wrote:
Wrong! Bubba was faster. RC just had better conditioning.
Prince1 wrote:
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this...
HAHAHAHA, did you watch them race in 2005,06 or 07 outdoors? RC's speed was insane then even more so than james, and james openly admits this in interviews. DONT confuse motocross and supercross.
Cygnus wrote:
I wish we could go back and see the fast lap times.
We can go here smart one, http://amapromail.com/pdfresults/mx/index.html prepare to see RC's dominance, or watch a season review of 06 or 07 and you will see.
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Prince is correct. For the most part RC had the fastest lap times and even in some of the motos where JS had the fastest, he didn't consistantly run faster lap times. You gotta be fastest for more than one lap to truly be the fastest. Another important thing that RC has over JS is the number of championships and 150+ wins. If you're going to compare RC and JS, in SX there might be an arguement, but outdoors RC is hands down faster. You can call it better conditioning, but that's just a part of the sport.
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10/11/2010 3:12pm
Stewart looked pretty fast for a moto at unadilla! LOL!
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10/11/2010 3:22pm
Maybe not ...but, RC was faster,better and smarter. if you think otherwise you're in denial.
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10/11/2010 3:30pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2010 3:30pm
I know it is the off season...

But to we really have to hash this all out again:

MC is the king of Supercross, 7x champ
RC is the GOAT, 15 championships to prove it

JS has proven that he is fast and talented in both SX and MX, I agree with everyone that it appears that he has taken a substantial break. However, JS has stated many many times that his focus is on SX. We as fans all want to see him race MX because we know his potential is unbelievable; when he is on it, he is incredible. We all want to see the contender whoever it may be (this past year Dungey), prove himself against the best aka James Stewart.

JS's light hearted non-moto TV show makes it seem like he doesn't care about racing; he has always held the persona that he is the best and sarcastically claims he doesn't have to work hard. When he focus's in on something he has proven (post RC) to be unbeatable.

Two years ago SX 09, he came back to win the championship. He showed true grit and determination beating the second best SX rider in the world after spotting him a huge lead. The two of them (JS and CR) showed they were head and shoulders above the rest of the field consistently all season long.

I believe we are going to see that same determined JS come A1. If we don't and the Ryans' or CR or whoever it may be outclasses him, he will still go down as one of the greatest riders in history.

Can't we all just agree that we are ready to see JS as well as the rest of the field line-up at A1 and prove who indeed is the best. Or do all of us keyboard racers have to call names and argue opinions?
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10/11/2010 3:43pm
Ddavis wrote:
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove? 2x 125 East Coast Champion 2x 125 Motocross Champion 2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0) 2x AMA Supercross Champion...
Honestly, what does James Stewart have to proove?

2x 125 East Coast Champion
2x 125 Motocross Champion
2008 AMA Motocross Champion (24/0)
2x AMA Supercross Champion
2006 World Supercross Champion
He's been on two winning MXDN teams
Named the fastest man on the planet for many years
13 Loretta Lynn titles (or something around there)
30+ supercross wins
He is a billionaire by now.


He's done everything there is to do.
Feel free to remove the world supercross title. RC won the title that meant something that year and you know it.

I've been in awe of james since he was on 125's. He's raised the level of speed to new heights. Having said that, he has a huge challenge in front of him for 2011.

I also didn't like him quitting at unadilla because he was tired.
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Also, he's only 24 sure, but the older you get the more you have to work at it. At 16-17 you can ride and ride and ride without gassing like you do as you age. With the riders moving up a class, and others continuing to improve, there are no gimmie wins anymore. Its going to take work.

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10/12/2010 8:29am
Ddavis wrote:
Considering the only race James Stewart did this year healthy, he won, I dont know why people are bashing him.
What about Unadilla? Dungey was killing him so he pulled off.
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10/12/2010 1:10pm
Ddavis wrote:
Considering the only race James Stewart did this year healthy, he won, I dont know why people are bashing him.
newbs122 wrote:
What about Unadilla? Dungey was killing him so he pulled off.
Thats probably not it, he was pissed that the ama was using him to sell tickets and announcing short to the team on that day.
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10/14/2010 7:20pm
Ddavis wrote:
Considering the only race James Stewart did this year healthy, he won, I dont know why people are bashing him.
newbs122 wrote:
What about Unadilla? Dungey was killing him so he pulled off.
Actually, if I remember correctly, the first moto he was battling with Dungey, got pulled on a little, fell, and battled with Desalle until riding to a 3rd in his first race since January.

2nd moto, well, its harder then you think to come back from a scaphoid injury.

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