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mxbigd17 10/8/2010 7:53am
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Wow, another move in the dumb direction for MX. What else DC???
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johansen 10/8/2010 8:13am
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Really stupid idea. I'm gonna quote suzuki12594 on this matter;

"DUDE!!!!NUMBERS DOESNT DETERMINE HOW GOOD YOU ARE IN THE SPORT !!!!199 HAS BEEN HIS NUMBER FOREVER 199 REPRESENTS THE YEAR HE WENT PRO WHICH WAS IN 1999.AND HES AS GOOD AS ALL THE RIDERS COMBINED. DIDNT YOU HEAR THE GUY IN THE VIDEO "THATS THE BEST ATHLETE IN THE PLANET, I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE"

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Hall-of-Fame,25/TRAVIS-PASTRANA,4043
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munsch121 10/8/2010 8:28am
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I think you should earn the right to choose your number. If a rider claims top 20 in a series let's say 3 years in a row, of coarse past champions, also maybe top 3 in any full season series...I feel .Someone like J-law doesn't deserve to PICK his number while someone like Alessi, Dub, Shorty or Metty does.
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KAWboy14 10/8/2010 12:35pm
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johansen wrote:
Really stupid idea. I'm gonna quote suzuki12594 on this matter; "DUDE!!!!NUMBERS DOESNT DETERMINE HOW GOOD YOU ARE IN THE SPORT !!!!199 HAS BEEN HIS NUMBER FOREVER...
Really stupid idea. I'm gonna quote suzuki12594 on this matter;

"DUDE!!!!NUMBERS DOESNT DETERMINE HOW GOOD YOU ARE IN THE SPORT !!!!199 HAS BEEN HIS NUMBER FOREVER 199 REPRESENTS THE YEAR HE WENT PRO WHICH WAS IN 1999.AND HES AS GOOD AS ALL THE RIDERS COMBINED. DIDNT YOU HEAR THE GUY IN THE VIDEO "THATS THE BEST ATHLETE IN THE PLANET, I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE"

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Hall-of-Fame,25/TRAVIS-PASTRANA,4043
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RMZ819 10/8/2010 1:35pm
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The numbers' policy comes from input from the riders and teams, and then three entities: Supercross, Motocross and the AMA proper. Most want to see the...
The numbers' policy comes from input from the riders and teams, and then three entities: Supercross, Motocross and the AMA proper. Most want to see the best riders with lowest numbers, which makes it easier for fans; some want permanent numbers for top riders, which also can make it easier for fans and it allows better merchandising opportunities for the riders. Weigh all that out, plus past policy -- Dowd's 16, Reedy's 22, BT's 101, Alessi's 800, etc. mean a lot to them -- and that's where we are right now.

It's a work in progress.

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Really??? Better merchandising opportunities for the riders??? When has this happened??? I have yet to see a shirt offered by any rider at any race out there.

When will the riders be able to self promote themselves?
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hasko158 10/8/2010 1:48pm
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Love the rule, most pro racers dream of having a double digit national number.
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DC wrote:
The numbers' policy comes from input from the riders and teams, and then three entities: Supercross, Motocross and the AMA proper. Most want to see the...
The numbers' policy comes from input from the riders and teams, and then three entities: Supercross, Motocross and the AMA proper. Most want to see the best riders with lowest numbers, which makes it easier for fans; some want permanent numbers for top riders, which also can make it easier for fans and it allows better merchandising opportunities for the riders. Weigh all that out, plus past policy -- Dowd's 16, Reedy's 22, BT's 101, Alessi's 800, etc. mean a lot to them -- and that's where we are right now.

It's a work in progress.

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RMZ819 wrote:
Really??? Better merchandising opportunities for the riders??? When has this happened??? I have yet to see a shirt offered by any rider at any race out...
Really??? Better merchandising opportunities for the riders??? When has this happened??? I have yet to see a shirt offered by any rider at any race out there.

When will the riders be able to self promote themselves?
I thought there was a rule that riders cannot sell merchandise at Nationals.
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DC wrote:
The numbers' policy comes from input from the riders and teams, and then three entities: Supercross, Motocross and the AMA proper. Most want to see the...
The numbers' policy comes from input from the riders and teams, and then three entities: Supercross, Motocross and the AMA proper. Most want to see the best riders with lowest numbers, which makes it easier for fans; some want permanent numbers for top riders, which also can make it easier for fans and it allows better merchandising opportunities for the riders. Weigh all that out, plus past policy -- Dowd's 16, Reedy's 22, BT's 101, Alessi's 800, etc. mean a lot to them -- and that's where we are right now.

It's a work in progress.

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RMZ819 wrote:
Really??? Better merchandising opportunities for the riders??? When has this happened??? I have yet to see a shirt offered by any rider at any race out...
Really??? Better merchandising opportunities for the riders??? When has this happened??? I have yet to see a shirt offered by any rider at any race out there.

When will the riders be able to self promote themselves?
SCIENCE wrote:
I thought there was a rule that riders cannot sell merchandise at Nationals.
they can sell millions of t-shirts of themselves at walmart with all the tv time they get!
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evanedge 10/8/2010 7:58pm
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What do you guys thinks of the AMA making the riders running the number that they are assigned too? I'm not really a fan of it...
What do you guys thinks of the AMA making the riders running the number that they are assigned too?

I'm not really a fan of it. Its going to be different seeing guys like Morais, Izzi, and J-law not really their normal number.
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MXSports probably has more to do with the new policy (which I applaud). Davey? They need to take it one step further though. Permanent numbers for...
MXSports probably has more to do with the new policy (which I applaud). Davey? They need to take it one step further though. Permanent numbers for past National/SX champs only! Maybe grandfather some of the veterans or world champs as long as they get points, KDub, JD, Short, Wey, but everybody else gets their number based on points. Brayton, Chisholm and Wilson getting permanent #10, #11 and #15 is a joke. If they earned them for 2011 that is fine, but permanent?
If Jlaw, Izzi or Ryan want their permanent number back they need to win a title.
Jlaw already won a title
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jasonv43 10/8/2010 8:02pm
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Trip wrote:
My bad, I was going to say when he was on a 125 with the 123 when everyone else was on 250f's. Midway through I had...
My bad, I was going to say when he was on a 125 with the 123 when everyone else was on 250f's. Midway through I had a brain fade... It happens....
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Sounds like you need some new thinking.
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That's what happens when you type in a hurry... Here is my wall paper that I had on my old computer for about two years.. [IMG]http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/socaleventphotos/DSC_0192.jpg[/IMG]
That's what happens when you type in a hurry... Here is my wall paper that I had on my old computer for about two years..

Trip you look a little young in that picture. You sure you're old enough to be on this site?
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MXerDW 10/8/2010 8:07pm
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evanedge wrote:
Jlaw already won a title
250sx West and East Coast are regonal titles, and do not count towards the # system.
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Trip 10/8/2010 8:58pm
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SCIENCE wrote:
I thought there was a rule that riders cannot sell merchandise at Nationals.
There is, because the guy who has the sole rights to the event t shirts also works for MX Sports. Trust me though DC has assured me it's not a conflict of interest. It will go out to bid, and the guy who works for MX Sports will get the contact again, just like he always does. The riders can opt to contract through John Aryes to have him get a cut of the shirt sales...That's how I think it goes anyway..
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Trip 10/8/2010 9:27pm
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The Taliban, Trip? Seriously? Are you that much of an idiot that you just compared me to the enemy that U.S. Soldiers die fighting every day...
The Taliban, Trip? Seriously? Are you that much of an idiot that you just compared me to the enemy that U.S. Soldiers die fighting every day? It's a numbering system that's been in place for a decade, not an attack on a convoy of men and women.

You should really think about how stupid you sound right now. Critisicim is one thing; being a mean asshole is another.

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Like KAWboy14 said it's meant as you will tell the riders what number they will run whether they like it or not.

Just one question Davey...What is the reason a rider who earns a two digit number can't swap it out for a 3 digit number?? Is there any real reasoning behind it, or is it just the "rule" you guys came up with??

You may think I sound stupid, but check the board out, I'm not the only one feeling this way. Ok for you to single me out, but I'm not the only voice going against you on this one, I just may be the loudest... Can you even be the loudest on the net??

You say the numbering system has been in place for a decade? Why was 338, 577, 801, and the rest able to choose a number over 100 before and not now? Pretty much the same question I already asked you above.

I know it would be easier to be an ass kisser like some of the board here, but so far I have not seen you do anything to kiss your ass for. If and when you do something I like, I will tell you and the board. I'm not here to just give you shit, really I'm not!

In closing why is it everytime you post a change, you always say how you talked to team managers, riders, and whoever else.. Lots of people already think the oem's run the show, with every post your just proving it.
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DC 10/9/2010 6:13am
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The riders are earning the right to choose a permanent number, not just requesting and keeping one forever. That's the way it was until they tweaked it ten years ago. Now most wanted it tweaked back.

Anyone can sell their T-shirts if they do a basic merchandising deal through the stadium or track, which is how it works in most sports, malls, concerts, etc. Ryan Dungey was doing it all summer. The tracks all have individual vending and merchandising deals and they all chose Moto- Tees long before I got involved. When they renew their deals, I imagine most will stay there because John Ayers does a good job. Anyone else wants to make a bid, send it to me and I will get it to the tracks. Or just go directly to them yourself.

Not sure why you guys think I am ruining the sport single-handily. Whether it's two-strokes or track markers or a numbering system or whatever, it all seems to end up on me, which is fine, though terribly misinformed. I accept the responsibility of being out front and also available here. I had no idea that tweaking the numbering system based on input from the guys who wear the numbers and actually race would get my ass kicked here again, with some pretty stupid and unfair bullshit here, but it comes with the territory now.

I am sorry that some don't like the numbering system; when it comes back up next year, I will keep all this in mind. But being loud and nasty doesn't mean you're right. And because I don't discuss with you personally on your couch at home doesn't mean I didn't talk to any fans. SX and the AMA had a say in this too, and we happened to all feel this was the best way forward.

Anyone who wants to make suggestions directly, just email me: DC@MXSports.com
CorndogRacing 10/9/2010 6:34am
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The riders are earning the right to choose a permanent number, not just requesting and keeping one forever. That's the way it was until they tweaked...
The riders are earning the right to choose a permanent number, not just requesting and keeping one forever. That's the way it was until they tweaked it ten years ago. Now most wanted it tweaked back.

Anyone can sell their T-shirts if they do a basic merchandising deal through the stadium or track, which is how it works in most sports, malls, concerts, etc. Ryan Dungey was doing it all summer. The tracks all have individual vending and merchandising deals and they all chose Moto- Tees long before I got involved. When they renew their deals, I imagine most will stay there because John Ayers does a good job. Anyone else wants to make a bid, send it to me and I will get it to the tracks. Or just go directly to them yourself.

Not sure why you guys think I am ruining the sport single-handily. Whether it's two-strokes or track markers or a numbering system or whatever, it all seems to end up on me, which is fine, though terribly misinformed. I accept the responsibility of being out front and also available here. I had no idea that tweaking the numbering system based on input from the guys who wear the numbers and actually race would get my ass kicked here again, with some pretty stupid and unfair bullshit here, but it comes with the territory now.

I am sorry that some don't like the numbering system; when it comes back up next year, I will keep all this in mind. But being loud and nasty doesn't mean you're right. And because I don't discuss with you personally on your couch at home doesn't mean I didn't talk to any fans. SX and the AMA had a say in this too, and we happened to all feel this was the best way forward.

Anyone who wants to make suggestions directly, just email me: DC@MXSports.com
It is only because you are available on here, DC. Everyone thinks they are "the man" with all the answers. I doubt you recall it, but I have emailed RacerX several times (Jeremy Nadeau) and I have always gotten quick responses, alot of time from you directly. To me I think that is cool ans very classy!!

To all the retards in this thread: When was the last time you were able to contact the commisioner of the NFL or NBA on a message board? Appreciate the fact that DC comes on here to explain things and get ideas from all of us, that is a priveledge. It is a shame that the guy cannot come on here to bench race and indulge in the sport we all love without you dickheads ripping him.

When he makes me change my number in the B class, It will be my place to whine about it, untill then... GET A LIFE
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I really hope that Canard gets to run the 41. It would suck to work your whole life to run your dads number and have that changed at the last moment. In my opinion from the fans point of view. The longer a rider can keep a number the easier it is to know who the rider is. In a sport where riders are constantly changing cloths, bikes,gear. It is sometimes hard to know who is who.
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cason402 10/9/2010 7:22am
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DC wrote:
The riders are earning the right to choose a permanent number, not just requesting and keeping one forever. That's the way it was until they tweaked...
The riders are earning the right to choose a permanent number, not just requesting and keeping one forever. That's the way it was until they tweaked it ten years ago. Now most wanted it tweaked back.

Anyone can sell their T-shirts if they do a basic merchandising deal through the stadium or track, which is how it works in most sports, malls, concerts, etc. Ryan Dungey was doing it all summer. The tracks all have individual vending and merchandising deals and they all chose Moto- Tees long before I got involved. When they renew their deals, I imagine most will stay there because John Ayers does a good job. Anyone else wants to make a bid, send it to me and I will get it to the tracks. Or just go directly to them yourself.

Not sure why you guys think I am ruining the sport single-handily. Whether it's two-strokes or track markers or a numbering system or whatever, it all seems to end up on me, which is fine, though terribly misinformed. I accept the responsibility of being out front and also available here. I had no idea that tweaking the numbering system based on input from the guys who wear the numbers and actually race would get my ass kicked here again, with some pretty stupid and unfair bullshit here, but it comes with the territory now.

I am sorry that some don't like the numbering system; when it comes back up next year, I will keep all this in mind. But being loud and nasty doesn't mean you're right. And because I don't discuss with you personally on your couch at home doesn't mean I didn't talk to any fans. SX and the AMA had a say in this too, and we happened to all feel this was the best way forward.

Anyone who wants to make suggestions directly, just email me: DC@MXSports.com
Look DC, I greatly appreciate your continued effort in this greatest of all sports, sitting back and watching live MX this year was INCREDIBLE.

Being an MX fan since 1970 I prefer the old school number system from back then, based on previous years points. The theme used against this suggests it's difficult for fans to understand (same thing used against 2 motos).

My questions are;

1. What type of market research leads to these conclusions?

2. If these conclusions are mainly drawn from NASCAR's success/research; what rationale links a spectator sport (NASCAR) to an enthusiasts sport like ours? They are on the same channel, but they seem mega-different to me.

Thanks,
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Your a damn joke Davey. John Aryers is the lead guy with the NPG, and he is one of the top guys with MX Sports. Why the hell would anyone else bother bidding on vending shirts, when eventually the bid will go through him??? Nope, no conflict of interest there huh?? lol

Guess you didn't want to answer my one question huh? I don't blame you, I know the answer can't be good. Guessing the answer will come off kinda Talibanish.. They have an agenda they wont divert from too..

A few guys using a three digit number will just fuck the whole numbering system up. You don't need to be such a freakin' hard ass. What's wrong with compromising?

BTW did you ask any of the guys who run the 3 digits what they think??? Guessing NOT!

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Old Mate 10/9/2010 9:34am
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Jake Moss was 42 in 09,40 this season but broke his back at Freestone and had to sit out the remaining rounds, he is now not listed in the top 100 numbers,how does the USA number system work?
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Drivers can't sell t-shirts at NASCAR races or F1 races for the same reason riders don't sell shirts at SX/MX races. The promoters have a contract with a company to sell shirts at their events. Those companies license the drivers name and likeness for the shirts they sell. How do you guys not understand this???

Drivers don't own numbers in NASCAR. The teams own the numbers. When Tony Stewart left JGR, the 20 stayed at JGR.

Neither teams or drivers own numbers in F1. Numbers are assigned based on where the team finished the previous year. Novel idea. Plus you can't even see the numbers on the cars or drivers.

DC's only problem is he is too nice. It doesn't matter in NASCAR if you are a fan, a team owner or Bruton Smith, whatever the France family says is the way it is. If you don't like it, get the f--k out of NASCAR. In F1, Bernie Eccelstone would have a couple of you on here shot for stupidity. DC is improving the sport. If you guys would attend pro races and help a team or rider, you would know this.
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And people call me an asshole.

Trip and RMZ you guy's are out of line. Start your own series and show us how to do it.
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It does strike me as odd that the man who owns the merchandising rights to the series in sx/mx is the same guy that is the point man for teams, riders, sponsors at the races.

There does seem the potential (key word potential) for conflict of interest there. Or at least you give the teams/riders ammo for their guns when stuff goes sideways, it may not have anything to do with the problem but the perception is there for sure.

And for the record, I have been lobbying for a few years (even writing a letter to the powers that be) that if you earn a ntl number and choose to run some 3-digit number, then you lose your number and everyone moves up. This way, Johnny localpro has a chance at a number which would help him maybe get another sponsor here or there. It's a great honor to earn a number and if you don't care about it, you lose it. So I'm somewhat happy this has happened. Although Ryan Morais is not.Tongue
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DC, It's hard to soar like an Eagle when you're surrounded by Turkeys. Don't let them get you down. I was pretty surprised by all the crap you got about the Glen Helen deal and now this. These people will never be happy with ANYTHING!!!! All they like to do is whine and complain.

Thanks for all that you do for our sport. The Nationals were great this year and what an improvement over the last few years. I love being able to watch online and sameday tv coverage.

Flame away everyone about what an asskisser I am!!!! Just trying to be positive about something when others seem so content on negativity all the time. Go ride man!!!
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Good god people, they're fucking vinyl on a piece of plastic, go dry your pussies off.
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This sport is so back-woods it is pathetic. DC go away, quit posting here. Let everyone sit here and piss and moan. None of our opinions matter, but you make some think that theirs do by replying.

Guys at work complain about the Browns all the time, only thing different is that no one cares what they think. You should not care what anyone here posts. No one here matters. Let us complain, it is what we do best.

Bottom line, what anyone here posts in irrelevant to everything.
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I hope this rule will open up the #3 and #16... I'm sure there's more numbers that are kept by ex pro's that just come and race one race... Nothing against Brown and Dowd, I like them both. I don't think it's fair that numbers like these are kept by guys that haven't ran the mx or sx series for quite some time. It just doesn't seem fair for numbers like these to be kept by people that aren't in it anymore. There are so many guys that are moving up and deserve a better number than what they have... #'s, 3, 4, 6, 8, 16 Should be up for grabs I think. They can't retire numbers for guys, not even RC's old number. Hell before long we wouldn't even have any single digit riders. I remember when Mcgrath was mad because RV got # 2. RV earned it and is competing currently. However, RV will be rocking the number 1 plate in 2012! I think this numbering change could be good though, so everybody should give it a chance. Seems like this rule will make it fair for everyone. We just have to memorize some new #' s.
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RMZ819 10/9/2010 11:56am
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Holigan wrote:
Drivers can't sell t-shirts at NASCAR races or F1 races for the same reason riders don't sell shirts at SX/MX races. The promoters have a contract...
Drivers can't sell t-shirts at NASCAR races or F1 races for the same reason riders don't sell shirts at SX/MX races. The promoters have a contract with a company to sell shirts at their events. Those companies license the drivers name and likeness for the shirts they sell. How do you guys not understand this???

Drivers don't own numbers in NASCAR. The teams own the numbers. When Tony Stewart left JGR, the 20 stayed at JGR.

Neither teams or drivers own numbers in F1. Numbers are assigned based on where the team finished the previous year. Novel idea. Plus you can't even see the numbers on the cars or drivers.

DC's only problem is he is too nice. It doesn't matter in NASCAR if you are a fan, a team owner or Bruton Smith, whatever the France family says is the way it is. If you don't like it, get the f--k out of NASCAR. In F1, Bernie Eccelstone would have a couple of you on here shot for stupidity. DC is improving the sport. If you guys would attend pro races and help a team or rider, you would know this.
You make good points Holigan. ( Can't believe i just said that!!!!!)

The only problem this sport is Rec league compared to the sports you mentioned.

IMO riders should run whatever number they want. The problem is these riders are chopped off at the knees before they can try and build a bran with the new number every yr bullshit.
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GuyB 10/9/2010 12:39pm
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A couple guys in here have proven they can't play well with others, and it's time for them to go stand in the corner until they can post with respect.
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GuyB wrote:
A couple guys in here have proven they can't play well with others, and it's time for them to go stand in the corner until they...
A couple guys in here have proven they can't play well with others, and it's time for them to go stand in the corner until they can post with respect.
BUT is this true? if it is true it seems like it would validate their point, right?
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GuyB 10/9/2010 3:14pm
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Yes it's true. They're innefective communicators.

The thing about John's responsibilities is that he also takes care of hauling around a lot of the infrastructure for the series, including structures, banners, TVs and the like for the mechanics area, and building and bannering all the tracks. Who wants to bid on all that as well?

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