Anderson to HEP ?

GrapeApe wrote:

Star 450 is a full factory team in the traditional sense, with the Yamaha mothership providing money, parts, testing and a battery of other resources.HEP is...

Star 450 is a full factory team in the traditional sense, with the Yamaha mothership providing money, parts, testing and a battery of other resources.

HEP is a factory supported team, with US Suzuki providing money. You or I could build Roczen's bike.

I would think Roczen would be more important than the bike/team to a gear company as long as he's still competitive.

UpTiTe wrote:

You can’t buy some stuff inside that motor. 

ohh_454 wrote:

Didn’t Suzuki look into one of their old parts bins and find a factory transmission this year for Kenny?

Redsbengalswildcats wrote:

You can’t have low testosterone under 35? Weird response. 

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Im saying no hrt if you're getting paid as an athlete.if you have low t ar 35 your likely in poor health-obese b/c fat makes aromatase...

Im saying no hrt if you're getting paid as an athlete.

if you have low t ar 35 your likely in poor health-obese b/c fat makes aromatase which converts Test to estrogen, or overtrained/malnourished which can also lower T production(and lower thyroid production), but very rarely in the lower normal if your healthy and have never used aas - which can cause permanent lowering in some but not all. Studied biochem in school and a lifelong athlete. So, yeah. Weird opinion i know. 
 

Plus we're talking professional athletes. I know they all dope a bit anyways but if you allow hrt they can just vary the dose usig short acting injectables and test in normal range at races and dooing control wouldnt be able to detect if they just used test. 
 

Donkey Kong wrote:

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces...

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces LH and FSH which stimulate testosterone production in the testes. It's completely possible to need testosterone before the age of 35 due to head injuries damaging the pituitary or hypothalamus. It's quite common in military personal and obviously possible in a sport like motocross. Whether hormone replacement should be allowed is another question but disallowing HRT is effectively banning the athlete from competition due to a medical condition.

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Im saying no hrt if you're getting paid as an athlete.if you have low t ar 35 your likely in poor health-obese b/c fat makes aromatase...

Im saying no hrt if you're getting paid as an athlete.

if you have low t ar 35 your likely in poor health-obese b/c fat makes aromatase which converts Test to estrogen, or overtrained/malnourished which can also lower T production(and lower thyroid production), but very rarely in the lower normal if your healthy and have never used aas - which can cause permanent lowering in some but not all. Studied biochem in school and a lifelong athlete. So, yeah. Weird opinion i know. 
 

Plus we're talking professional athletes. I know they all dope a bit anyways but if you allow hrt they can just vary the dose usig short acting injectables and test in normal range at races and dooing control wouldnt be able to detect if they just used test. 
 

Donkey Kong wrote:

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces...

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces LH and FSH which stimulate testosterone production in the testes. It's completely possible to need testosterone before the age of 35 due to head injuries damaging the pituitary or hypothalamus. It's quite common in military personal and obviously possible in a sport like motocross. Whether hormone replacement should be allowed is another question but disallowing HRT is effectively banning the athlete from competition due to a medical condition.

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Point out the half baked stuff. Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? Anyway - this...

Point out the half baked stuff. 

Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? 

Anyway - this is about anderson to HEP. Chimed in in the TRT because I forgot its vital. Im sure listening to 2 huberman episodes and asking chatgpt has you far beyond what I could figure out after spending a few years cloning shit in university. 

I'll be better. Im sorry. 

Donkey Kong wrote:

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces...

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces LH and FSH which stimulate testosterone production in the testes. It's completely possible to need testosterone before the age of 35 due to head injuries damaging the pituitary or hypothalamus. It's quite common in military personal and obviously possible in a sport like motocross. Whether hormone replacement should be allowed is another question but disallowing HRT is effectively banning the athlete from competition due to a medical condition.

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Point out the half baked stuff. Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? Anyway - this...

Point out the half baked stuff. 

Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? 

Anyway - this is about anderson to HEP. Chimed in in the TRT because I forgot its vital. Im sure listening to 2 huberman episodes and asking chatgpt has you far beyond what I could figure out after spending a few years cloning shit in university. 

I'll be better. Im sorry. 

OwenJakes wrote:

What would you add to your diet/routine if you had an injury and were out for 8 weeks with basically no training?

Cost is irrelevant. 

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Point out the half baked stuff. Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? Anyway - this...

Point out the half baked stuff. 

Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? 

Anyway - this is about anderson to HEP. Chimed in in the TRT because I forgot its vital. Im sure listening to 2 huberman episodes and asking chatgpt has you far beyond what I could figure out after spending a few years cloning shit in university. 

I'll be better. Im sorry. 

OwenJakes wrote:

What would you add to your diet/routine if you had an injury and were out for 8 weeks with basically no training?

Cost is irrelevant. 

Donkey Kong wrote:

Nothing just rest

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Im saying no hrt if you're getting paid as an athlete.if you have low t ar 35 your likely in poor health-obese b/c fat makes aromatase...

Im saying no hrt if you're getting paid as an athlete.

if you have low t ar 35 your likely in poor health-obese b/c fat makes aromatase which converts Test to estrogen, or overtrained/malnourished which can also lower T production(and lower thyroid production), but very rarely in the lower normal if your healthy and have never used aas - which can cause permanent lowering in some but not all. Studied biochem in school and a lifelong athlete. So, yeah. Weird opinion i know. 
 

Plus we're talking professional athletes. I know they all dope a bit anyways but if you allow hrt they can just vary the dose usig short acting injectables and test in normal range at races and dooing control wouldnt be able to detect if they just used test. 
 

Donkey Kong wrote:

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces...

What you failed to understand with your half baked medical knowledge is that concussions can have dramatics impacts on testosterone levels as the pituitary gland produces LH and FSH which stimulate testosterone production in the testes. It's completely possible to need testosterone before the age of 35 due to head injuries damaging the pituitary or hypothalamus. It's quite common in military personal and obviously possible in a sport like motocross. Whether hormone replacement should be allowed is another question but disallowing HRT is effectively banning the athlete from competition due to a medical condition.

Triple_Nickel wrote:

Point out the half baked stuff. Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? Anyway - this...

Point out the half baked stuff. 

Saying that I don't account for head injuries? No shit. Did i not account for testicular cancer as well? 

Anyway - this is about anderson to HEP. Chimed in in the TRT because I forgot its vital. Im sure listening to 2 huberman episodes and asking chatgpt has you far beyond what I could figure out after spending a few years cloning shit in university. 

I'll be better. Im sorry. 

burn1986 wrote:

Any word what his salary will be? 😎

$750K maybe?

FredJones wrote:

I'm not being a wiseass here.I have a specific interest in the subject of HRT.I see these Vitalfights here frequently.I'd like to hear from each of...

I'm not being a wiseass here.

I have a specific interest in the subject of HRT.

I see these Vitalfights here frequently.

I'd like to hear from each of you.

What are your education, qualifications and expertise in this area.

burn1986 wrote:

Any word what his salary will be? 😎

$750K maybe?

Flatliner wrote:

Seems high for a #2 rider on a smaller team.

burn1986 wrote:

Any word what his salary will be? 😎

$750K maybe?

Flatliner wrote:

Seems high for a #2 rider on a smaller team.

Conkey wrote:

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k...

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k?  I know he had a rough year bc of his health but he did podium in SX.  I would pay El Hombre if it’s available. 

Flatliner wrote:

Seems high for a #2 rider on a smaller team.

Conkey wrote:

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k...

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k?  I know he had a rough year bc of his health but he did podium in SX.  I would pay El Hombre if it’s available. 

Flatliner wrote:

I'm not discounting his accomplishments, but a team isn't going to pay him for what he did, its what he could do going forward.

Conkey wrote:

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k...

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k?  I know he had a rough year bc of his health but he did podium in SX.  I would pay El Hombre if it’s available. 

Flatliner wrote:

I'm not discounting his accomplishments, but a team isn't going to pay him for what he did, its what he could do going forward.

ohh_454 wrote:

He podiumed the first 4 out of 8 sx races this year or something like that. I’d say he can do the same on the Suzuki...

He podiumed the first 4 out of 8 sx races this year or something like that. I’d say he can do the same on the Suzuki if it’s the same bike Kenny’s riding. I would think Anderson worth 750k. 

Flatliner wrote:

I'm not discounting his accomplishments, but a team isn't going to pay him for what he did, its what he could do going forward.

ohh_454 wrote:

He podiumed the first 4 out of 8 sx races this year or something like that. I’d say he can do the same on the Suzuki...

He podiumed the first 4 out of 8 sx races this year or something like that. I’d say he can do the same on the Suzuki if it’s the same bike Kenny’s riding. I would think Anderson worth 750k. 

web mx wrote:

He podiumed the first 3 of 5 races in SX this year. I hope he does end up at HEP but don't think he is gonna...

He podiumed the first 3 of 5 races in SX this year. I hope he does end up at HEP but don't think he is gonna get 750k from them, probably closer to half that for salary but with his other sponsors gear/helmet/goggles etc. he should still be closer to a million for the year.

ohh_454 wrote:

You’re probably right, but I wonder if Twisted Tea will throw down some money to have someone like Anderson represent them. If Andersons happy and healthy...

You’re probably right, but I wonder if Twisted Tea will throw down some money to have someone like Anderson represent them. If Andersons happy and healthy he could be giving Kenny a run for top dog on the team in all categories, podiums, wins, and overall position in the championship. 

ohh_454 wrote:

You’re probably right, but I wonder if Twisted Tea will throw down some money to have someone like Anderson represent them. If Andersons happy and healthy...

You’re probably right, but I wonder if Twisted Tea will throw down some money to have someone like Anderson represent them. If Andersons happy and healthy he could be giving Kenny a run for top dog on the team in all categories, podiums, wins, and overall position in the championship. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where...

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. 

For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where he would need to be since Twisted Tea has a gear deal with Leatt. 

I don't think Anderson wants to leave Monster, Alpinestars, Airoh, and Scott.

ohh_454 wrote:

I would think HEP would ditch the Leatt team gear deal to let Anderson do his own thing on the Twisted Tea side of things. Is...

I would think HEP would ditch the Leatt team gear deal to let Anderson do his own thing on the Twisted Tea side of things. Is Monster a personal sponsor of Jason’s or through the team? Monster stopped doing personal deals so he probably wouldn’t carry that over, hence Twisted Tea having a big name guy. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where...

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. 

For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where he would need to be since Twisted Tea has a gear deal with Leatt. 

I don't think Anderson wants to leave Monster, Alpinestars, Airoh, and Scott.

ohh_454 wrote:

You’re probably right, but I wonder if Twisted Tea will throw down some money to have someone like Anderson represent them. If Andersons happy and healthy...

You’re probably right, but I wonder if Twisted Tea will throw down some money to have someone like Anderson represent them. If Andersons happy and healthy he could be giving Kenny a run for top dog on the team in all categories, podiums, wins, and overall position in the championship. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where...

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. 

For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where he would need to be since Twisted Tea has a gear deal with Leatt. 

I don't think Anderson wants to leave Monster, Alpinestars, Airoh, and Scott.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where...

Anderson would most likely be on the Progressive side and not the Twisted Tea side of the team. 

For Anderson to keep his gear deal that's where he would need to be since Twisted Tea has a gear deal with Leatt. 

I don't think Anderson wants to leave Monster, Alpinestars, Airoh, and Scott.

ohh_454 wrote:

I would think HEP would ditch the Leatt team gear deal to let Anderson do his own thing on the Twisted Tea side of things. Is...

I would think HEP would ditch the Leatt team gear deal to let Anderson do his own thing on the Twisted Tea side of things. Is Monster a personal sponsor of Jason’s or through the team? Monster stopped doing personal deals so he probably wouldn’t carry that over, hence Twisted Tea having a big name guy. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

As far as I know, Anderson is still a Monster athlete, but maybe his deal ends this year, I don't know. That said, if he wants...

As far as I know, Anderson is still a Monster athlete, but maybe his deal ends this year, I don't know. That said, if he wants to keep it or is keeping it, that would be an issue since Monster now sells alcohol. Hence being on the Progressive side. 

Also, I don't think a team can just ditch sponsors. Maybe that deal ends this year as well. If it does, it's not an issue. They'll just need to find more sponsorship money to replace what Leatt is paying them. Not exactly an easy thing to do, but I could see Twisted Tea upping their financial commitment to get a rider of Anderson caliber if the other things are eliminated. Companies don't part with 6 figures just for the hell of it. 

Flatliner wrote:

Seems high for a #2 rider on a smaller team.

Conkey wrote:

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k...

Not saying that he’s going to get that money from HEP.  However, a former 450&250 champ that has over 10 big class wins isn’t worth $750k?  I know he had a rough year bc of his health but he did podium in SX.  I would pay El Hombre if it’s available. 

Flatliner wrote:

I'm not discounting his accomplishments, but a team isn't going to pay him for what he did, its what he could do going forward.

ohh_454 wrote:

HEP started parting from sponsors and built a whole other team to appease Kenny lol Joe and Ferrandis personal deals with Monster went by by this...

HEP started parting from sponsors and built a whole other team to appease Kenny lol Joe and Ferrandis personal deals with Monster went by by this year and it was reported that Monster was just doing team deals, that’s why I was thinking Anderson was in a team deal and the monster conflict wouldn’t be an issue. I’d like to see Jason on a zuk next year. Also I thought the ClubMx/Anderson talks died out because he would’ve had to be in FXR gear and the money wouldn’t have been right for him, so maybe HEP will let him get his gear money. 

How much do you think Leatt pays HEP? Is Thor paying a team like AEO to wear their gear or do they give AEO unlimited gear for their riders? Was always curious about that. 

FredJones wrote:

I'm not being a wiseass here.I have a specific interest in the subject of HRT.I see these Vitalfights here frequently.I'd like to hear from each of...

I'm not being a wiseass here.

I have a specific interest in the subject of HRT.

I see these Vitalfights here frequently.

I'd like to hear from each of you.

What are your education, qualifications and expertise in this area.