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7/24/2025 5:47pm
burn1986 wrote:
@APLMAN @LungButter @ThatOneMXGuy Look, I’m out of line. I’ve been frustrated at all that’s occurred as of late, and all the somewhat elation over Trump Epstein...

@APLMAN @LungButter @ThatOneMXGuy 

Look, I’m out of line. I’ve been frustrated at all that’s occurred as of late, and all the somewhat elation over Trump Epstein. I like each of you guys and I don’t feel that you all want some of the bad things that I’ve said. 
I apologize and I’ll make efforts to be more civil. Thanks

All good man. 

We’re all a little guilty of that. 

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7/24/2025 5:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 5:58pm

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

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7/24/2025 6:07pm
burn1986 wrote:
I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. Ghislaine Maxwell is probably...

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

Burn, no need to get out of non-moto, we are ALL just having some discussions and keeping up on current events.

Like I keep telling LB, don't hold on too tight. Enjoy it for what it is, because we are all moto brothers at the end of the day. ;o)

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burn1986 wrote:
I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. Ghislaine Maxwell is probably...

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

Burn, no need to get out of non-moto, we are ALL just having some discussions and keeping up on current events.Like I keep telling LB, don't...

Burn, no need to get out of non-moto, we are ALL just having some discussions and keeping up on current events.

Like I keep telling LB, don't hold on too tight. Enjoy it for what it is, because we are all moto brothers at the end of the day. ;o)

Agreed.  Get out and ride if you can Burn.  The misses made me go out with her last night on the dual sports, it was some well needed therapy.  

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7/24/2025 6:38pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 6:45pm
burn1986 wrote:
@APLMAN @LungButter @ThatOneMXGuy Look, I’m out of line. I’ve been frustrated at all that’s occurred as of late, and all the somewhat elation over Trump Epstein...

@APLMAN @LungButter @ThatOneMXGuy 

Look, I’m out of line. I’ve been frustrated at all that’s occurred as of late, and all the somewhat elation over Trump Epstein. I like each of you guys and I don’t feel that you all want some of the bad things that I’ve said. 
I apologize and I’ll make efforts to be more civil. Thanks

You just went to the top of my cool guy list.

Seriously, respect.

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7/24/2025 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 7:32pm
burn1986 wrote:
@APLMAN @LungButter @ThatOneMXGuy Look, I’m out of line. I’ve been frustrated at all that’s occurred as of late, and all the somewhat elation over Trump Epstein...

@APLMAN @LungButter @ThatOneMXGuy 

Look, I’m out of line. I’ve been frustrated at all that’s occurred as of late, and all the somewhat elation over Trump Epstein. I like each of you guys and I don’t feel that you all want some of the bad things that I’ve said. 
I apologize and I’ll make efforts to be more civil. Thanks

We need more of this in society. Big respect.

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7/24/2025 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 10:30pm
Burn, no need to get out of non-moto, we are ALL just having some discussions and keeping up on current events.Like I keep telling LB, don't...

Burn, no need to get out of non-moto, we are ALL just having some discussions and keeping up on current events.

Like I keep telling LB, don't hold on too tight. Enjoy it for what it is, because we are all moto brothers at the end of the day. ;o)

I get too worked up over stuff out of my control (according to my therapist 😎). Like lappedrider said, I need to get out and ride some. I’ll hit it tomorrow and report back 👍

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burn1986 wrote:
I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. Ghislaine Maxwell is probably...

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

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7/24/2025 7:51pm
burn1986 wrote:
I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. Ghislaine Maxwell is probably...

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

Precisely.   Who trusts the DOJ of the sitting President?  Only the folks that are on that team unfortunately.

Hope their is some transparency in whatever happens.   But I hold little hope, but there is hope.  

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7/24/2025 7:53pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 7:55pm
burn1986 wrote:
I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. Ghislaine Maxwell is probably...

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

And we're off, Captain Kangaroo and his normal reply. Don't ever change bro.

"Post hoc, ergo propter hoc"

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7/24/2025 8:43pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 8:51pm

If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a computation of sentence (or something equivalent). The only person who matters in this is Trump. Who knows about the rest…

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2025/07/23/republicans-subpoena-maxwel…

7/24/2025 9:27pm

If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

burn1986 wrote:
We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a...

We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a computation of sentence (or something equivalent). The only person who matters in this is Trump. Who knows about the rest…

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2025/07/23/republicans-subpoena-maxwel…

In 2015 she was charged with perjury for lying under oath, the charges were dropped when she was sentenced to 20 years, so there will always be doubts about any of her testimony.

If her testimony only implicates people from one side of politics, and she gets a deal, there will be accusations of a cover up.

If her testimony doesn't implicate anybody new, and she gets a deal, there will be accusations of a cover up.

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burn1986 wrote:
I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. Ghislaine Maxwell is probably...

I need to get out of Non-Moto. But, the next several weeks are gonna be political maneuvering like we’ve never seen before imo. 

Ghislaine Maxwell is probably gonna cut a deal and spill the beans. Why wouldn’t she? She has nothing to lose? She’s already been interviewed by the Deputy AG. More interviews to come; apparently the Clinton’s have been subpoenaed as well (i believe it’s the NYT, so take it with a grain of salt, but it may be true) along with others.

IMO, the only logical deal that would come of her in talking to who she is talking to, would be for her to spill no more beans. Her story will be that DT was not involved in JE 'activities'. 

Stamp it. 😉

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If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

burn1986 wrote:
We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a...

We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a computation of sentence (or something equivalent). The only person who matters in this is Trump. Who knows about the rest…

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2025/07/23/republicans-subpoena-maxwel…

The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll commute her sentence?

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If she cuts a deal, how do people know part of the deal doesn't include protecting some people?

burn1986 wrote:
We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a...

We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a computation of sentence (or something equivalent). The only person who matters in this is Trump. Who knows about the rest…

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2025/07/23/republicans-subpoena-maxwel…

APLMAN99 wrote:
The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll...

The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll commute her sentence?

No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was 12.

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7/25/2025 5:57am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 6:08am
APLMAN99 wrote:
The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll...

The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll commute her sentence?

I don’t know. Since Trump will be the subject of the investigation, I’m not sure he would be able to. Surely the AG’s office would be able to offer a deal. (If they get 2 articulable facts, that would create probable cause to pursue criminal charges?)

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APLMAN99 wrote:
The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll...

The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll commute her sentence?

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I don’t know. Since Trump will be the subject of the investigation, I’m not sure he would be able to. Surely the AG’s office would be...

I don’t know. Since Trump will be the subject of the investigation, I’m not sure he would be able to. Surely the AG’s office would be able to offer a deal. (If they get 2 articulable facts, that would create probable cause to pursue criminal charges?)

So do you think that Bondi will somehow try to get some sort of deal for Maxwell if she implicates Trump?

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burn1986 wrote:
We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a...

We don’t. Its been mentioned that it’s expected she’ll cut a deal - I would imagine she would turn over testimony of Trump’s involvement for a computation of sentence (or something equivalent). The only person who matters in this is Trump. Who knows about the rest…

https://www.deseret.com/politics/2025/07/23/republicans-subpoena-maxwel…

APLMAN99 wrote:
The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll...

The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll commute her sentence?

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No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was...

No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was 12.

Wait, JD might be making a back door deal with Maxwell to implicate Trump with the promise of a commutation/pardon once he’s president?

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7/25/2025 6:12am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 6:13am
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Wait, JD might be making a back door deal with Maxwell to implicate Trump with the promise of a commutation/pardon once he’s president?

I don’t know. The ball is already rolling, hearings are being scheduled, briefs are being prepared, Dems and Reps and sort of unified in getting those files and investigating Trump’s role. Maxwell is scheduled to have a committee hearing around the first week of August. She’s only one witness. Whatever happened is gonna come out. 

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Anyone thinking the DOJ would go against trump hasn’t been paying attention. 

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Anyone, including President Trump, who might be named on a list or implicated by Girhlaine is not guilty of anything until proven in a court of law.  Everyone deserves due process. Being guilty of association is not a crime. 
 

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I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention. Could it be that he hasn’t released them because he would be killed? Like a JFK scenario? 

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7/25/2025 7:00am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 7:00am
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I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention...

I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention. Could it be that he hasn’t released them because he would be killed? Like a JFK scenario? 

They already tried - Butler PA (consequently the only Trump rally/speech CNN covered live, ever lol)

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APLMAN99 wrote:

Wait, JD might be making a back door deal with Maxwell to implicate Trump with the promise of a commutation/pardon once he’s president?

burn1986 wrote:
I don’t know. The ball is already rolling, hearings are being scheduled, briefs are being prepared, Dems and Reps and sort of unified in getting those...

I don’t know. The ball is already rolling, hearings are being scheduled, briefs are being prepared, Dems and Reps and sort of unified in getting those files and investigating Trump’s role. Maxwell is scheduled to have a committee hearing around the first week of August. She’s only one witness. Whatever happened is gonna come out. 

The most plausible ‘deal’ that Bondi and team could/would offer to Maxwell would be for her to try to disassociate Trump from Epstein’s illegal activities. After that sort of testimony, it could be possible that she might receive a commutation/pardon. 

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oldman59 wrote:
I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention...

I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention. Could it be that he hasn’t released them because he would be killed? Like a JFK scenario? 

burn1986 wrote:

They already tried - Butler PA (consequently the only Trump rally/speech CNN covered live, ever lol)

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oldman59 wrote:
I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention...

I can’t remember all of the reasons posters have said about why Trump hasn’t released the files, but I heard something today that got my attention. Could it be that he hasn’t released them because he would be killed? Like a JFK scenario? 

burn1986 wrote:

They already tried - Butler PA (consequently the only Trump rally/speech CNN covered live, ever lol)

That is ironic for sure.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll...

The person who can commute her sentence is Trump. If she were to testify or state that Trump was involved in illegal activities, you think he’ll commute her sentence?

truck wrote:
No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was...

No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was 12.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Wait, JD might be making a back door deal with Maxwell to implicate Trump with the promise of a commutation/pardon once he’s president?

This seems highly unlikely. Trump would have to be not only implicated but impeached and convicted in the senate for JD to become President (as President, Trump is not going to be criminally prosecuted). JD doesn't strike me as dumb enough to try this, or smart enough to pull it off. High risk/high reward with a minimal probability of success. Plus, I have a very hard time imagining Maxwell implicating Trump. He's the one guy that can get her out of jail. It would be politically damaging to pardon her, but if he's exiting politics at the end of his term, he might not care. Vance, being young, has a future political career to worry about so pardoning a despised, convicted child sex trafficker likely wouldn't be on his radar. 

There are all sorts of wacky scenarios that are possible but what actually happens will probably be rather mundane. Regardless of what the truth is, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Maxwell simply says she recruited girls to give Epstein "massages" and that that's all that happened. 

Edit: Is the comment I'm responding to intended as a joke? It's very difficult to tell - people seem to take all sorts of things seriously. 

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No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was...

No, but if she can implicate him, there will soon be a new president. Don't think JD was hanging out on the island when he was 12.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Wait, JD might be making a back door deal with Maxwell to implicate Trump with the promise of a commutation/pardon once he’s president?

MPJC wrote:
This seems highly unlikely. Trump would have to be not only implicated but impeached and convicted in the senate for JD to become President (as President...

This seems highly unlikely. Trump would have to be not only implicated but impeached and convicted in the senate for JD to become President (as President, Trump is not going to be criminally prosecuted). JD doesn't strike me as dumb enough to try this, or smart enough to pull it off. High risk/high reward with a minimal probability of success. Plus, I have a very hard time imagining Maxwell implicating Trump. He's the one guy that can get her out of jail. It would be politically damaging to pardon her, but if he's exiting politics at the end of his term, he might not care. Vance, being young, has a future political career to worry about so pardoning a despised, convicted child sex trafficker likely wouldn't be on his radar. 

There are all sorts of wacky scenarios that are possible but what actually happens will probably be rather mundane. Regardless of what the truth is, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Maxwell simply says she recruited girls to give Epstein "massages" and that that's all that happened. 

Edit: Is the comment I'm responding to intended as a joke? It's very difficult to tell - people seem to take all sorts of things seriously. 

I was actually trying to clarify truck’s post about a potentially new president. I’m not sure that I completely understand what he was saying. Probably more my comprehension issues than his writing!  I’ve been inhaling too much carb and brake cleaner this week!

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