Attendance at MXDN was pathetic

Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 12:04am
2007 Budd's Creek weekend attendance was listed at 75,000, broken down it looked like this:

Sunday 40,000
Saturday 27,500
Friday 7500




In the past few weeks I read two interviews stating they expected the 2010 Colorado attendance to be 3X that of a National. This years Thunder Valley National drew 18,000 so the hoped for MXDN attendance was 54,000.

The official 2010 MXDN attendance figure is 32,000 for the weekend. Giving it a similar breakdown to 2007 would leave the daily attendance at around this much:

Sunday ~17,000
Saturday ~11,500
Friday ~3,500

Meaning the single day crowd for Sunday was actually slightly smaller than the National. Even though I didn't see the National in person, I did see it on TV and the crowd compared to the MXDN do seem very similar in size.




The people who plan these races need to learn some lessons. Do not put big races in the middle of the country 2000 miles from everyone. This race was a days drive from about 5 million people. A race in the East or in California is a days drive from about 100 million people. Only the most hardcore are paying for a plane so make it close to where there is actually some people living. The second thing is that the prices were outrageous...$90 for a ticket plus $20 for parking? This is insane and VIP stuff was even more insane. Who can afford to take their family to that, especially after flying in on a plane?

Sadly the FIM will use this as an excuse to pull back out of America. It's not the American race fans fault it's the idiots who put this race where they put it. There are quite a few world class tracks available on either coast, use them and charge a reasonable fee to get in and everybody will win. Just like they did in 2007.
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I'm sure Youthstream charges outrageous amounts of money from the track owner and the local promoters for the rights to have the MXDN. At least that's how it is in the GP's. They also have high requirements for the facilites and I don't think there are too many tracks in the world which meets these requirements.
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Hans... did you go to the Budds Creek race? I know there was more than 40,000 people there for the Sunday race... And there was more than 11,500 there on Saturday for the practice and qualifying round for Budds also.
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Everyone in Colorado as out jogging, mountain biking, kayaking, etc.

lol.
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I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went to the race with us. Ticket price: $30 and pit pass $10.

We started planning to go to the MXoN and then found out minimum ticket price $90 and pit pass $50. Parking $25. And if we wanted the VIP passes even more $$$!

We stayed home and watched it on the internet. We apparently aren't part of the glitterati Youthstream wants attending their races.

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I thought it was a good crowd, I'm also positive with the price of everything they did very good .
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SteveS wrote:
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went...
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went to the race with us. Ticket price: $30 and pit pass $10.

We started planning to go to the MXoN and then found out minimum ticket price $90 and pit pass $50. Parking $25. And if we wanted the VIP passes even more $$$!

We stayed home and watched it on the internet. We apparently aren't part of the glitterati Youthstream wants attending their races.

That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds from sonewhere: ticketsales
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Bring that race to the S.E. and you will have 50,000 there.
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2007 Budd's Creek weekend attendance was listed at 75,000, broken down it looked like this: Sunday 40,000 Saturday 27,500 Friday 7500 In the past few weeks...
2007 Budd's Creek weekend attendance was listed at 75,000, broken down it looked like this:

Sunday 40,000
Saturday 27,500
Friday 7500




In the past few weeks I read two interviews stating they expected the 2010 Colorado attendance to be 3X that of a National. This years Thunder Valley National drew 18,000 so the hoped for MXDN attendance was 54,000.

The official 2010 MXDN attendance figure is 32,000 for the weekend. Giving it a similar breakdown to 2007 would leave the daily attendance at around this much:

Sunday ~17,000
Saturday ~11,500
Friday ~3,500

Meaning the single day crowd for Sunday was actually slightly smaller than the National. Even though I didn't see the National in person, I did see it on TV and the crowd compared to the MXDN do seem very similar in size.




The people who plan these races need to learn some lessons. Do not put big races in the middle of the country 2000 miles from everyone. This race was a days drive from about 5 million people. A race in the East or in California is a days drive from about 100 million people. Only the most hardcore are paying for a plane so make it close to where there is actually some people living. The second thing is that the prices were outrageous...$90 for a ticket plus $20 for parking? This is insane and VIP stuff was even more insane. Who can afford to take their family to that, especially after flying in on a plane?

Sadly the FIM will use this as an excuse to pull back out of America. It's not the American race fans fault it's the idiots who put this race where they put it. There are quite a few world class tracks available on either coast, use them and charge a reasonable fee to get in and everybody will win. Just like they did in 2007.
where did you get these #'s.. I was there and it looked like more than twice the amount of people you're saying were there. I've been to washougal when the head count was over 30k and sunday at lakewood looked like more than 35,000 people.
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there where alot more people than the national.. those numbers cant be correct
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9/27/2010 7:10am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2010 7:16am
Larry wrote:
Bring that race to the S.E. and you will have 50,000 there.
Larry, if I wound back time on the boards, I think I'd be able to remember when everyone said the exact same thing about a National in TX.

That said, I thought the crowd there was pretty good. In my opinion, it was also a good chunk better than the National, and not as large as most of the prior MXoNs that I've been to.

Not sure if it qualifies as pathetic...or how/why it matters.
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Hanaa80 wrote:
I'm sure Youthstream charges outrageous amounts of money from the track owner and the local promoters for the rights to have the MXDN. At least that's...
I'm sure Youthstream charges outrageous amounts of money from the track owner and the local promoters for the rights to have the MXDN. At least that's how it is in the GP's. They also have high requirements for the facilites and I don't think there are too many tracks in the world which meets these requirements.
1.2 Million for the rights is what we were told from someone that should know.

Butt load of money spent(track owner and fans) out there for sure.
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price813 wrote:
there where alot more people than the national.. those numbers cant be correct
No question this is a correct statement. There is no way that there was this many people
at the national. It wasn't even close. It could easily have been double. This was the biggest crowd thunder Valley has ever seen. Those numbers they post are always intersting. Not always sure how they come up with those.
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where did you get these #'s.. I was there and it looked like more than twice the amount of people you're saying were there. I've been...
where did you get these #'s.. I was there and it looked like more than twice the amount of people you're saying were there. I've been to washougal when the head count was over 30k and sunday at lakewood looked like more than 35,000 people.
Dan, 35,000 on Sunday was the number I guessed also....the place was packed! Also, there were a few "bugs", but all in all, the event was one of the best run races I've ever been to. My hats off to all of the staff, Thunder Valley, Youth Stream, and Staff Pro. They all worked their asses off, and were very professional and friendly all weekend.
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9/27/2010 7:29am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2010 7:31am
SteveS wrote:
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went...
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went to the race with us. Ticket price: $30 and pit pass $10.

We started planning to go to the MXoN and then found out minimum ticket price $90 and pit pass $50. Parking $25. And if we wanted the VIP passes even more $$$!

We stayed home and watched it on the internet. We apparently aren't part of the glitterati Youthstream wants attending their races.

Sunhouse wrote:
That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds...
That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds from sonewhere: ticketsales
MX Sports does the same thing, only better, and charge a fraction of the price. Hell Feld builds tracks in freakin football stadiums for just one race and it's cheaper??? Your pal Giussepi is ripping off folks.
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Larry wrote:
Bring that race to the S.E. and you will have 50,000 there.
GuyB wrote:
Larry, if I wound back time on the boards, I think I'd be able to remember when everyone said the exact same thing about a National...
Larry, if I wound back time on the boards, I think I'd be able to remember when everyone said the exact same thing about a National in TX.

That said, I thought the crowd there was pretty good. In my opinion, it was also a good chunk better than the National, and not as large as most of the prior MXoNs that I've been to.

Not sure if it qualifies as pathetic...or how/why it matters.
70,000 + every year for the Atl. SX is what I am basing that on. I do not think any SX in Texas ever achieved that type of number.
You also have to consider the general population numbers of the area. Pick any location in the SE and you have Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville and Birmingham with in a 4 hours drive time.
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SteveS wrote:
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went...
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went to the race with us. Ticket price: $30 and pit pass $10.

We started planning to go to the MXoN and then found out minimum ticket price $90 and pit pass $50. Parking $25. And if we wanted the VIP passes even more $$$!

We stayed home and watched it on the internet. We apparently aren't part of the glitterati Youthstream wants attending their races.

Sunhouse wrote:
That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds...
That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds from sonewhere: ticketsales
MX Sports does the same thing, only better, and charge a fraction of the price. Hell Feld builds tracks in freakin football stadiums for just one...
MX Sports does the same thing, only better, and charge a fraction of the price. Hell Feld builds tracks in freakin football stadiums for just one race and it's cheaper??? Your pal Giussepi is ripping off folks.
Don't make the mistake by assuming that because we're Europeans, we'd all agree what Luongo is doing. My opinion is that he's a cancer which is killing this sport.
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We need to have this race at REEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD BUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Any official attendance numbers or just this fucktard guessing?
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from the YS site

RED BULL FIM MXoN – QUICK FACTS
Circuit length: 1740 mt
Type of ground: intermediate hard pack
Temperature: 26° C
Weather conditions: sunny
Crowd attendance during weekend: 32000
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Hanaa80 wrote:
Don't make the mistake by assuming that because we're Europeans, we'd all agree what Luongo is doing. My opinion is that he's a cancer which is...
Don't make the mistake by assuming that because we're Europeans, we'd all agree what Luongo is doing. My opinion is that he's a cancer which is killing this sport.
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price813 wrote:
there where alot more people than the national.. those numbers cant be correct
The 75,000 and the daily breakdown from Budd's Creek are official figures. The 32,000 at Thunder Valley is an official figure, the breakdown is an estimate based upon the 2007 daily breakdown so it could be that a few thousand more showed up on Sunday if a few thousand less were there on Friday and Saturday.

The highest attendance ever at the Washougal National is 24,000 in 2003.
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9/27/2010 9:27am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2010 9:34am
dont believe the crowd attenance from youthstream, they are not correct (just like everything else from YS).

according to YS the crowd attandance in Glen helen (gp weekend) was 17 000 ... i think 1700 was closer ...
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There were 23,987 paying spectators at Budds Creek in 2007. Because it's a smaller track, it looked like more because everyone was packed in. At Brescia last year, there were maybe more than Matterley Basin in 2006, and both were much bigger that Budds Creek.

Thunder Valley seemed like a very good and vocal crowd and the tickets were pretty expensive, but i think the event was a huge success. The track looked great and the best team won, and that seemed to make the fans pretty happy too.

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SteveS wrote:
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went...
I live a 12 hour drive from Thunder Valley. We've gone to the national there many times and stayed at a friend's in Denver who went to the race with us. Ticket price: $30 and pit pass $10.

We started planning to go to the MXoN and then found out minimum ticket price $90 and pit pass $50. Parking $25. And if we wanted the VIP passes even more $$$!

We stayed home and watched it on the internet. We apparently aren't part of the glitterati Youthstream wants attending their races.

Sunhouse wrote:
That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds...
That IS expensive, however, i imagine bringing all the infrastructure they use at these events is pretty damn expensive too. They have to get the funds from sonewhere: ticketsales
MX Sports does the same thing, only better, and charge a fraction of the price. Hell Feld builds tracks in freakin football stadiums for just one...
MX Sports does the same thing, only better, and charge a fraction of the price. Hell Feld builds tracks in freakin football stadiums for just one race and it's cheaper??? Your pal Giussepi is ripping off folks.
MXSports don`t bring their stuff across the pond, do they?
That sure makes things a lot more expensive for the organizers. With that being said, they are little greedy bastards, aren`t they. But to call Luongo cancer is a little overboard. I think he has done wonders for the GP`s if you look at were he started and were they are now. Things don`t happen overnight, and I`m sure he has a bigger plan
9/27/2010 9:38am
I think there was a football game in Denver Sunday, too. Don't dismiss the impact of the Broncos pulling a few people away as well...

32,000? If so, then IMO that is a good first event.
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if they had 30,000 people.... at 90 bucks a ticket..... that's 2.7 million dollars..... so if the venue paid 1.2 for the rights, they hopefully made a decent profit off the event...
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I think there was a football game in Denver Sunday, too. Don't dismiss the impact of the Broncos pulling a few people away as well... 32,000...
I think there was a football game in Denver Sunday, too. Don't dismiss the impact of the Broncos pulling a few people away as well...

32,000? If so, then IMO that is a good first event.
You got it! There were close to 80,000 fans at the Broncos-Colts game going on at the same time just down the road. This without a doubt hurt the race attendance.
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I couldn't believe all the people in the background driving right by on the highway.

What the heck was wrong with them, driving right by something like this?

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Just got back yo Socal from the event. Couldn't of had a better time. Great race, facility, staff, everything. Yeah I spent alot pf money to get there but I did at Budds too. Some of the best money I ever spent. The crowd was huge and awesome. I can't wait until 2013 for the next MXdesNations in the USA. Very proud of our team.
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We're in a recession, dude. If the world's economy was booming, I'm sure a lot more people would have gone. Including myself, who lives about twelve hours from there.

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