Unadilla Regional

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6/22/2025 4:11pm
GG121 wrote:

Why did they run alternates at the regionals? That’s ridiculous. There’s multiple area qualifiers for a reason. 

Money.  It's all about money with MX Sports.

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6/22/2025 4:18pm

They literally killed it monetarily this weekend. Got the same amount of money handed to them as they would have had they had to prep Sunday, man flagging, pay medics... 

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6/22/2025 4:38pm

The whole system is a joke. Not sure why they say they take the top whatever number of positions at the area, because you only have to have a moto score in one moto at the area to go to the regional when it comes time to sign up. Bummer about Unadilla this weekend. It’s not really fair, but what else can they do. 

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6/22/2025 4:57pm

You’d think Mxsports would address this …….

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6/22/2025 5:39pm

Another reason why LL is a joke. Combines and SMX next should be these kids focus from now on. 

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I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to this outsider.

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49weasel wrote:

You’d think Mxsports would address this …….

Like have a professional PR statement??

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PRM31 wrote:
I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to...

I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to this outsider.

Maybe Tim Cotter or someone can come on and explain the situation? You know explain the reason for qualifier if so many can then sign up for the regional. What is the contingency plan if a weather event occurs? 

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6/22/2025 7:21pm

Another reason why LL is a joke. Combines and SMX next should be these kids focus from now on. 

I didn’t realize they had classes for all Amateurs at those. Good to know. 

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6/22/2025 7:41pm

Another reason why LL is a joke. Combines and SMX next should be these kids focus from now on. 

Combines and smx next are a joke as well. It’s all about who you know and if your on a team or not. Kids that pay to be on teams like ebr or rock river get priority over kids not on teams. Even if those kids not on teams beat the team kids 

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ricko wrote:
If they didn’t over accept entries and didn’t need to qualify at the regional they would of probably got 2 motos in yesterday. There’s area qualifiers...

If they didn’t over accept entries and didn’t need to qualify at the regional they would of probably got 2 motos in yesterday. There’s area qualifiers for a reason. 

johnk408 wrote:
Yeah, I don't understand the process any more. I thought you qualified at a certain area and it advanced you to a certain regional with 40...

Yeah, I don't understand the process any more. I thought you qualified at a certain area and it advanced you to a certain regional with 40 riders or however many the gate holds. Doesn't seem to makes sense to advance to the regional, then still have to qualify to even race the motos.

I remember back in the c class days, someone didn’t make it in their regional so they paid mx sports all the fees and got to race another regional that they didn’t even ride an area for. 

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PRM31 wrote:
I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to...

I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to this outsider.

There is no point. Other than the fact if you finished top 9 at an area you were “guaranteed” a spot at an RQ. My son earned his way in at our areas but there were kids/guys lining up this weekend that finished 20 something at their AQ. It should be capped at 40 or 42 whatever the gate holds for that regional then cut to 6 for LL but when the powers that be can line their greedy pockets and people keep feeding the beast why not right? I’m glad he made it this year because he worked his tail off for it and he’s such fan of the event and what it means to get there. At 16 it’s the most important thing in the world for him, but for me it’s an eye opener to how MX sports values $ over integrity and fairness in amateur racing. 

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6/23/2025 5:42am
Meister wrote:
It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode...

It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode shortened motos. (Pic, High point 16). Never seen this situation tho. Sucks for guys who got 4th if they give tickets to top 3 in heats. Only fair way would be based off lap times i feel like. 

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They cancelled the 2nd motos that day if I'm not mistaken. I raced that day at high point in Vet C

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PRM31 wrote:
I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to...

I guess I don’t understand the point of area qualifiers if you end up with those numbers at a regional. Looks like a goat rope to this outsider.

cwel11 wrote:
There is no point. Other than the fact if you finished top 9 at an area you were “guaranteed” a spot at an RQ. My son...

There is no point. Other than the fact if you finished top 9 at an area you were “guaranteed” a spot at an RQ. My son earned his way in at our areas but there were kids/guys lining up this weekend that finished 20 something at their AQ. It should be capped at 40 or 42 whatever the gate holds for that regional then cut to 6 for LL but when the powers that be can line their greedy pockets and people keep feeding the beast why not right? I’m glad he made it this year because he worked his tail off for it and he’s such fan of the event and what it means to get there. At 16 it’s the most important thing in the world for him, but for me it’s an eye opener to how MX sports values $ over integrity and fairness in amateur racing. 

Don't forget how they also allow people to enter the AQ's who are not even trying to go to LL.  So you've got all these randos all over the track, blocking, being lappers, causing pileups, racing with you and very possibly preventing you from getting to a qualifying spot and they aren't even trying to go.  All so the local track owner can fill his gate and max profits.

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Meister wrote:
It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode...

It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode shortened motos. (Pic, High point 16). Never seen this situation tho. Sucks for guys who got 4th if they give tickets to top 3 in heats. Only fair way would be based off lap times i feel like. 

1000011891

They cancelled the 2nd motos that day if I'm not mistaken. I raced that day at high point in Vet C

Washougal 2 years ago I believe was 1 moto. 

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6/23/2025 6:23am
Meister wrote:
It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode...

It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode shortened motos. (Pic, High point 16). Never seen this situation tho. Sucks for guys who got 4th if they give tickets to top 3 in heats. Only fair way would be based off lap times i feel like. 

1000011891

They cancelled the 2nd motos that day if I'm not mistaken. I raced that day at high point in Vet C

That pic was Sunday. I was early in the running order and got moto 1 and 2 in on Saturday. Moto 3 for me was that mud pic. It was a swamp! 

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6/23/2025 6:57am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2025 6:57am
Farmer J wrote:

Washougal 2 years ago I believe was 1 moto. 

Pretty sure Washougal was 2 motos

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ricko wrote:
If they didn’t over accept entries and didn’t need to qualify at the regional they would of probably got 2 motos in yesterday. There’s area qualifiers...

If they didn’t over accept entries and didn’t need to qualify at the regional they would of probably got 2 motos in yesterday. There’s area qualifiers for a reason. 

Cant agree more. The whole process to get to LL is turning into a giant money grab. 

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6/23/2025 9:23am

LL's seems like more of a social gathering at this point rather then a must attend event for up and coming riders. Its trendy to say you went to LL's

Which is fine. People seem to really get into the spectacle of it all.

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Sometimes things happen that the promoters can't control, like a County-wide emergency pulling all emergency personel.  I think most get that, as frustrating as it can be.  

However, the right thing to do would be to refund 2/3rds of the race fees since no second or third motos could happen. Its wrong to only run a partial event and not offer a proportional refund.    

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planter wrote:
Sometimes things happen that the promoters can't control, like a County-wide emergency pulling all emergency personel.  I think most get that, as frustrating as it can...

Sometimes things happen that the promoters can't control, like a County-wide emergency pulling all emergency personel.  I think most get that, as frustrating as it can be.  

However, the right thing to do would be to refund 2/3rds of the race fees since no second or third motos could happen. Its wrong to only run a partial event and not offer a proportional refund.    

Lol, good luck with that. Many promoters won’t give a refund if you try to pull out before practice starts

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6/23/2025 3:39pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2025 3:44pm

They never will if everyone keeps coming back for more.  Mini O's, Motoplayground (nationally) and other Featured Events (locally) tend to not do that shady stuff cause they rely on local support or their national reputation for a good event to stay aflot.

There will be a some people that avoid Diilla in the future for an Area or Regional because of how they did their riders. Just like SOB had, people that avoided them this year, and Ill leave it at that.  Folks remember!

 

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Bit of a rant here but this was a huge bummer. For starters they ran 4-5 lap practice Saturday morning which is crazy to me after a whole day of it Friday. And considering almost every class had division races to be ran. Then my 3 classes (all guaranteed entries in from AQ) only had one class in between them. When i brought it up at sign ups the lady told me that was “my fault” nothing will be changed. lol. Sucks to spend all this money and that’s what they tell me after making the 13hr trip up. But it is what it is. I just didnt run the class in the middle. They wouldn’t refund me for it before the race either.


 

Halfway through Saturday it was obvious we weren’t gonna get through the order and lcq’s. no laps were cut in attempt to speed up first day. (again, thats fine, I want the laps I paid for) but damn they saw the issue.


 

Sunday morning we sat around for hours hearing them say they didnt have an answer. Lots of guys were packing up and leaving. Finally, they explained the state of emergency and medical personnel issue.  That was completely understandable!


 

But for them to score it the way they did seemed unfair. Hell, I woulda liked to see them call each class up there to see who stuck it out that morning and draw a damn spoon over what they did. atleast SOMETHING for a 2nd moto score. Give those guys that decided to pack it up and leave early a DNS. Even better, give the “guaranteed entries” priority in this shitty situation. Im not gonna complain about there being divisions because i havent been to a regional without them and its to be expected at this point. But why should that alternate get that 1 moto score privilege? Especially after only running their first moto at the area and dipping out? Just thinking out loud here. Whats done is done. I just think it could have gone a way different route.

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6/23/2025 4:31pm
Meister wrote:
It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode...

It must be bad in the county if they cant get first responders to the track. Ive ridden some regionals that got bad, but we rode shortened motos. (Pic, High point 16). Never seen this situation tho. Sucks for guys who got 4th if they give tickets to top 3 in heats. Only fair way would be based off lap times i feel like. 

1000011891

I,ve been in that situation a few times all roads flooded, etc & closed.  In 06 I think it was tanker of chocolate  pu in s. Wi. Going to Boston . I tried a longer but much faster route going across Ny.  To avoid Ct. Etc.  I ran with Another trk long hood Pete pulling a tanker where running  100-120 on the long down hills .  East of the track there’s a long bridge that got washed out a few  days later in a hvy storm.   A loaded 18. Wheeler got washed away they never found him .  A long down hill goes for miles then the river .  That Bro never had a chance.   After del I had to run threw nyc to get to S. Kearney Nj. Tank wash, also mob central.  I had a chic near there I saw Tony Soprano in the restaurant eating with a real mod guy that owned it .  I did that ld back to back b4 . But I had a weird feeling & was about do for time off .  Otherwise I could’ve been washed away . I pu & del all ovr i40 in Tn. Nashville to Memphis.  All the Tn. People said there’s about a 8-12 mi area where the Loretta’s property is that gets severe weather .   I went past the track  7am the morning it washed out .  It looked bad the woods was a massive river with a high current with waves.  In April on i24 north & west of the track there was massive flooding this yr.  The flying J was totally under water & huge fields.  

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Yup, they just did their participants wrong.  

I can see keeping the gate fees cause they had to keep people there to pull campers out and trash clean up, etc. Thats understandable.   

But, to keep all the race fee, thats not acceptable.  They only delevered 1/3 of what was paid for.

People remember!  We were going for the National at Dilla, already had reservations etc., but were going to Budds now instead beacause of the way they ran their practice and the race Saturday, but mostly because of how they did their racers wrong on Sundays with no refunds, nothing to really say were sorry and thanks and we really want you back.  

People remember.

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planter wrote:
Yup, they just did their participants wrong.  I can see keeping the gate fees cause they had to keep people there to pull campers out and...

Yup, they just did their participants wrong.  

I can see keeping the gate fees cause they had to keep people there to pull campers out and trash clean up, etc. Thats understandable.   

But, to keep all the race fee, thats not acceptable.  They only delevered 1/3 of what was paid for.

People remember!  We were going for the National at Dilla, already had reservations etc., but were going to Budds now instead beacause of the way they ran their practice and the race Saturday, but mostly because of how they did their racers wrong on Sundays with no refunds, nothing to really say were sorry and thanks and we really want you back.  

People remember.

While I don't disagree with you one bit, isn't the majority of this problem on mx sports? Not the Unadilla owners themselves.  

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Bit of a rant here but this was a huge bummer. For starters they ran 4-5 lap practice Saturday morning which is crazy to me after...

Bit of a rant here but this was a huge bummer. For starters they ran 4-5 lap practice Saturday morning which is crazy to me after a whole day of it Friday. And considering almost every class had division races to be ran. Then my 3 classes (all guaranteed entries in from AQ) only had one class in between them. When i brought it up at sign ups the lady told me that was “my fault” nothing will be changed. lol. Sucks to spend all this money and that’s what they tell me after making the 13hr trip up. But it is what it is. I just didnt run the class in the middle. They wouldn’t refund me for it before the race either.


 

Halfway through Saturday it was obvious we weren’t gonna get through the order and lcq’s. no laps were cut in attempt to speed up first day. (again, thats fine, I want the laps I paid for) but damn they saw the issue.


 

Sunday morning we sat around for hours hearing them say they didnt have an answer. Lots of guys were packing up and leaving. Finally, they explained the state of emergency and medical personnel issue.  That was completely understandable!


 

But for them to score it the way they did seemed unfair. Hell, I woulda liked to see them call each class up there to see who stuck it out that morning and draw a damn spoon over what they did. atleast SOMETHING for a 2nd moto score. Give those guys that decided to pack it up and leave early a DNS. Even better, give the “guaranteed entries” priority in this shitty situation. Im not gonna complain about there being divisions because i havent been to a regional without them and its to be expected at this point. But why should that alternate get that 1 moto score privilege? Especially after only running their first moto at the area and dipping out? Just thinking out loud here. Whats done is done. I just think it could have gone a way different route.

You would think MXSports could at least put out some type of statement…

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6/23/2025 6:27pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2025 6:32pm

I read the rulebook many times throughout the years.  I just read it again.

 

The top 9 from every area qualifier is guaranteed a spot at the regional.  There are 8 regionals in the North East.  

 

So that means as many as 72 people qualify to race the regional in each and every class in the North East.  

 

Sorry.  It's just the way it's written.  Everyone who reads the rulebook and process information logically sees this is how it is. You should know ALL the rules before you go.  Sometimes you can make a case for  what you think is right, but in this case, it's out there in black and white. 

 

You want it to change? If enough don't go, it will.  But by the looks of the number of participants, it won't change until people force change.  And that's not gonna happen.   

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planter wrote:
Yup, they just did their participants wrong.  I can see keeping the gate fees cause they had to keep people there to pull campers out and...

Yup, they just did their participants wrong.  

I can see keeping the gate fees cause they had to keep people there to pull campers out and trash clean up, etc. Thats understandable.   

But, to keep all the race fee, thats not acceptable.  They only delevered 1/3 of what was paid for.

People remember!  We were going for the National at Dilla, already had reservations etc., but were going to Budds now instead beacause of the way they ran their practice and the race Saturday, but mostly because of how they did their racers wrong on Sundays with no refunds, nothing to really say were sorry and thanks and we really want you back.  

People remember.

I would think Force Majeure is written some where in the contract language. 

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