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With Febvre winning by winning the GPs on the Kawi, does this prove its winning potential in the US? How is he winning on the “turtle”?
https://mxvice.com/2024/10/05/photo-gallery-coldenhoffs-fantic-xxf-450-…
Factory GP bikes are not production bikes.
He wouldn't be winning if he was racing the nationals. 😎
I mean there’s a rule that it doesn’t have to be a production bike but do we know febvre is not on a production frame & cases?
Prado’s bike isn’t a production bike!
The frame & swingarm begin the journey as production items- we may or may not know if they add bracing.
The rest of it is as ‘worked’ as they come.
This illusion that GP bikes are some kind of wizardry that is far removed from AMA bikes is baffling.
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Yeah that’s pretty much what I’m insinuating. Doubtful that Febvre is running entirely different frames nowadays. Maybeeeee (I’m still doubtful) Herlings & the Austrian group is but that’s based on 15-20 years on the Austrian bike. But even if so he won Ironman 1-1 on a ama legal bike anyway.
It’s not the bike. Anderson is batting issues and Prado is still learning the bike after injury.
Romain would smoke Jorge on the same bike right now. They aren’t even close to performing in the same league this summer.
For Prado, it’s not the bike.
I think the team moved to the production frame last year, but the big difference is that they can remove material, not just add it like in AMA. With the engine, they run a different intake and cylinder head at least. I don’t know about the cases. Electronics package also has traction control.
No pro rider is wanting material removed from a production frame. These guys hit stuff so hard & do such big jumps, they want to go stiffer than production.
What is the AMA rule on using production spec cylinder heads?
Well considering you need a laptop to fire up the Kawis before the start of the day I’d say they are a lot different. It’s like comparing world super bikes to MotoGP
That doesn’t mean squat.
I mean me and you perform on the course on our Kawis. I dont see the issue.
I mean I’ll cut my frame right now if need be.
It’s often the year before the release of a new bike the GP bikes are ahead and not as production based. You can sometimes see the next generation of engine put in the old chassis, new chassis with old plastics or just the next years bike in it’s complete form.
In the middle of a bikes era I would say that they are fairly based on the stock bikes and not as exotic as some people in here like to portray them.
Here is a picture that i took in 2014 of the HRC 450 with the 2015 head that had the exhaust port on the right side of the frame instead of the left side that the stock 2014 had. You can see that both bikes in the picture use that head.
But the frame looks production based.
Febvre frame is production, don't run works one any more, too expensive and says there not much difference.
Sssshhhh you’re ruining the fantasy for some of these guys!
It's like comparing apples and cabbages, both are green and not the same...
Still, anyone that has moved to another country for work will understand the challenges. Many people have never worked out of state or traveled outside their own country.
Ironic that Prado has better spoken English than many of the home schooled natives!
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Its not a stretch to have podium expectations for him in his first year.
Awesome holeshot 2nd moto yesterday
Not saying that Jeffrey's bike was illegal but the AMA has no technology to check frame geometries lengths tube thicknesses I've been through Tech with my son and it was a joke they cared more about the stickers on the Jersey and airbag in the helmet
Dudes got a missile launcher for an exhaust on that thing 😁😆😆
There are times when he just flat outruns people, like they hit a nuetral or something.
Funny how quick people discount Prado kicking everyone a.. for two years in Europe. He's learning new tracks, new lifestyle and culture of racing is different here as it is there. But don't tell me Romain could do any better here than Prado right now. That is just not the case. Romain was kicking everyone's butt a few years ago and came to Glen Helen and got spanked by Grant and and coop who rode the 450 for the first time racing that day. Different places.
Yeah for sure, Grant Langston has some good points:
I recently watched some old footage of Greg Albertyn's first year outdoors after being the 2x champ and he struggled early on to adapt. I think there's some similarities with the two.
Albee's bike (95' 250 RM) was not the best that year.
He did hit the podium that year but I don't think he won an overall until midway through the next outdoor season in 96.
I thought this was interesting…..yeah yeah I know it’s Gypsy and some of you guys won’t like that, but I’d love to know what the Kawi guys told him.
No one else has been able to make that bike work. Evans and Watson had horrible stints on the team and Seewer HATED that thing. Jonass is doing ok (when he's riding).
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