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Well, not really. But it did fit right in with all the Reed/Honda/Done, Reed/KTM/Done, Reed/Fox/Done didn't it?
Back to the topic at hand . You all have to admit that the elimination of the 125 has been a huge kick in the nuts to this sport we all love. I personally miss it and think it needs to make a comeback. Everyone has confessed to the staggering costs involved in a 250F program haven't they? . Forget all the 125/250 , 250/250, 250/450, 2S/4S, 2T/4T and other related drama for a moment and consider this.
A 125 National class would be the perfect fit on the off weekends of the WMX classes. The WMX events already proves there is time in the schedule.
Two or more weeks between races would give families and low budget teams enough time to recover and rebuild things in time for the next race yet still be part of a national series.
Open to 15-17 year old upcoming pros. Could be beneficial for their transition to the 250 and 450 class plus would allow the teams a better view of upcoming talent by having them perform on the National circuit prior to age 18.
Forget the homologation rules or lessen the requirements so Husky , TM , KTM , Kawasaki and Suzuki could bring enough 125's over to get things rolling. Yamaha is already here and Honda doesn't care about two strokes so they shouldn't care about or take offense to this class.
And lastly, I will sponsor a $500.00 Holeshot Award for each of the six races. Anyone else care to match it??
Just thoughts from my pea brain. Does it sound stupid, or does it make any sense at all? Everyone is invited to either jump in or jump on. DC, are you out there?
Back to the topic at hand . You all have to admit that the elimination of the 125 has been a huge kick in the nuts to this sport we all love. I personally miss it and think it needs to make a comeback. Everyone has confessed to the staggering costs involved in a 250F program haven't they? . Forget all the 125/250 , 250/250, 250/450, 2S/4S, 2T/4T and other related drama for a moment and consider this.
A 125 National class would be the perfect fit on the off weekends of the WMX classes. The WMX events already proves there is time in the schedule.
Two or more weeks between races would give families and low budget teams enough time to recover and rebuild things in time for the next race yet still be part of a national series.
Open to 15-17 year old upcoming pros. Could be beneficial for their transition to the 250 and 450 class plus would allow the teams a better view of upcoming talent by having them perform on the National circuit prior to age 18.
Forget the homologation rules or lessen the requirements so Husky , TM , KTM , Kawasaki and Suzuki could bring enough 125's over to get things rolling. Yamaha is already here and Honda doesn't care about two strokes so they shouldn't care about or take offense to this class.
And lastly, I will sponsor a $500.00 Holeshot Award for each of the six races. Anyone else care to match it??
Just thoughts from my pea brain. Does it sound stupid, or does it make any sense at all? Everyone is invited to either jump in or jump on. DC, are you out there?
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Just like AMA and NMA Stock rules.
If you have the backing/funding/talent, then step to the premier class.
Put the cost of the race bikes, into the racers pocket.
What good is bragging you race a 30K bike for 300 bucks?
Why not race a 7 K bike for 15 grand?
I agree it's not even a remotely even playing field for a potentially talented rider to come out and race with just suspension work.
But the aftermarket industry exists for a damn good reason - and it would kill it.
instead - bring back the claim rule. and make it not so political like it used to be...
First one to claim a bike with cash in hand gets the bike.
Make the rule 18k. 18k is enough to buy your bike and kit suspension - and throw in some motor mods and weight saving stuff.
Now you can go out and buy any bike on the line. This discourages building a bike worth too much!
The "biggest" and only real problem I have with this is now it would be hard to develop something really cool - and keep it secret. Say you figure out a port and cam combo that is just wrecking shop. It didn't cost you much to do to the bike - rather just your brain power....
However it would make racing very even.
Keep going Newman and thanks for the effort
I thought you were12,
Wow dude are you serious?
Like I said, you can either jump in or jump on. We now know where you stand, so run along.
KTM, the only "big 5" company making MODERN 2-strokes sells more of them than they do 4-strokes. What does that tell you? The people are voting with their wallets and the big 4 Jap companies are in deep shit. They need to realize and correct their mistake before its too late but I'm pretty sure they're all too stubborn admit that they fucked up.
Smaller Engine Displacement = Closer Racing.
The level of progression coming out of the amateur ranks is so high, that putting these young bucks on 125s would be the closest thing this sport has seen to "restrictor-plate" racing, and therefore provide some of the closest racing the sport has seen (on a more consistent level).
Anyone notice that smaller the displacement, the closer the racing?
In the 450's this year, we have only seen two motos - the entire season - come down to the final two laps. Dungey and Desiel at Unadilla(both on suzukis), and Townley, Reed, Dungey, at Red Bud moto #1.
In the 250's, you can't even count because the racing is so close! Last week guys were pretty much single file for a majority of one of the motos - wide open.
Now, just use your imagination and think about how close things would be on 125s with today's amateur talent. Not to mention, you have to be in the right gear, shift with precision, stay on the pipe, etc. so there are many more variables you have to execute to go fast. As a result, we would probably see more back and forth racing. The main reason i think this, is because that's how it was when people rode 125s. Need proof? Go watch some videos in the video room.
And just so I'm sure I understand where you're coming from - you don't think that when Pourcel, Canard and Villopoto join the 450 regulars that the racing will be as close as in the 250's? Really?
Pit Row
Makes the total 4 out of 22 motos thus far.
Which is 5% of the time.
Yeah, when those guys move up, things will be closer. Another equation to the "lower displacement = better racing" formula is skill level. The more guys that can run the bike to it's potential, and the max speed physics allow on a motocross track, the closer the racing. Hopefully everyone can keep the 450's on two wheels, and stay healthy next year, if so, it should be great!
I still gotta ask where the riders for this class would even come from. The group of kids you're aiming this at are on a pretty fixed budget and already have a jam packed schedule through most of the pro outdoors with ametuer nationals. Say you get 10 or 15 kids to ride around in this, does that really further any cause for 2-strokes?
This 125 class would really inspire many guys to get to the races or even get out there and race themselves. I dont think you should limit it to under 18's. Maybe make it under 25's, or just make it open to any one with a pro license. This would maybe get some pros that have pretty much given up on the sport because of the costs involved and get them back out there racing say a 7 round series. There were quite a few guys who tried to qualify two strokes this year, but just missed out. These are the guys that we should see lining up on the start gate for this 125 series. It would really add another dimension to the days racing, and I guarantee you will see the whole track lined with spectators not missing a second of the action !!
And why does having a 125cc class have anything to do with a 2 stroke agenda???
I just want a 125cc class 2 or 4.
'Rumors of the 2-stroke's demise have been greatly exagerated. ..... so there is no doubt that we'll all get to hear that sweet sound for years to come!'
Another quote states: 'Ready to rip from idle to redline, the YZ two-strokes are here to stay'
Kinda says to me they're listening, and it's the first indication of them doing so that I've seen. (You like this don't you Newmann??)
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