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Crazy to think that Webb was going SOOOO SLOOOWWW through the rhythm lanes, it made me think his bike was about to shit the bed.
It looked like he would be lucky to finish the race at all, maybe top 10.
Then suddenly, after AP takes the checkers, Webb is on the podium?
No one has game like Cooper Webb. Mic drop moment for his title hopes, from complete shit show to podium in the last few laps. F ing bad ass.
Dude just has no quit in him. Seeing him start jumping the finish line and the next double that late into the main was gnarly.
I was surprised they didn’t mention that on the broadcast when they showed him send the finish line! Was definitely badass
I kept thinking WTF, where are the laptimes? TV crew should have been able to follow timing to see the gaps closing unless the transponder loop died.
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Cooper Webb wins with race craft, Webb doesn't have elite speed, Webb sucks outdoors, these narratives are all over played. His 450 outdoor career has been mostly amiss due to SX money/focus, his fractious KTM relationship, and injuries. It is understandable. He has displayed capability for one lap speed, and outdoor pace numerously. That the man has never turned down an opportunity to race the des Nations makes him an outdoor hero in my book, how many elite factory riders would drop down a class to race in England in the fall for their nations honor? Maybe Plessinger?
He has speed both indoors and out but lets not kid ourselves with the motocross thing. He's absolutely an all time great in 450sx and after this year as has been talked about already you can make a straight forward argument that his SX career is superior to Tomac & Stewarts. In MX he's a very good rider, but tier 2 relative to the elite of the field. Hes had 2 moto wins to go 1-1 for his only overall in a slick millville in 2019. He has 6 podiums total. Hunter Lawrence after his rookie season last summer already has more podiums than Webb has in his enitre 450 outdoor career
Anyone else notice how RC is generally "down" on Webb until he can't be based on Webbs results. It's the same thing year after year. It's as if he doesn't want to see Webb do well. It's very subtle. Almost every week he says something about Webb's lack of speed despite the actual facts. Last night it's as if he was hoping for a huge points loss on Webb. His comments about the smoking bike we're pretty telling too.
On the flip side, he gushes over Sexton, Roczen and Pless.
If anything pisses me off about RC....it's this.
Carmichael coined the term "Webb-Wagon" several years ago. He would say something like,..."The Webb wagon is rolling tonight and I'm on-board"
Many people obviously don't like Carmichael's broadcasting, but at the very least, it should be understood that his role from the start was to be a race/rider/track "analyst",..not so much a primary broadcaster.
Now you can subjectively say he is good, bad, fair or terrible at doing this but you cannot objectively say that he doesn't attempt to be "analytical", because he does...and in doing that, it includes critiques as well as props across the board.
I get all that. I'm not one of the "hang RC" lynch mob.
It's just that he's down on Webb more than anyone. It is a noticeable difference...has been for years.
"It's just that he's down on Webb more than anyone. It is a noticeable difference...has been for years"
I reiterate.....
Carmichael coined the term "Webb-Wagon" several years ago. He would say something like,..."The Webb wagon is rolling tonight and I'm on-board"
I think you "might be" reading something that isn't there. Because you mention Sexton as being an example of Carmichael treating other riders differently.
The glaring problem and irony with that is the fact that Carmichael has been super critical all year long about Chase Sexton's mistakes. Soo much soo that it of course caused a fairly recent social controversy about it.
Reiterate all you want. Not reading into anything....it's just what RC does in regards to Webb.
Diffy had a Stiffy for AP since the first gate drop of the night. No way they were missing him playing in the mud on the broadcast.
Shithead has been listening to someone else during the broadcasts obviously, and clearly not watching Title 24. Carmichael is probably more praiseworthy of Cooper Webb than any other rider. He's always going on about his race craft, grittiness, mental toughness etc. If anything he bags on Chase a lot more. But in this case reasonably so.
"You can make a straight forward argument that his SX career is superior to Tomac & Stewarts".
Can you please elaborate how you could possibly come to this conclusion? The only possible explanation would be that he has more championships with far far less wins. Apart from that I'm not sure what your argument could be?
Just in case you might not be aware:
Tomac - 53 wins
Stewart - 50 wins
Webb - 29 wins
IF Webb gets the title this year, then I’d rather have 29 wins and 3 SX championships than 50 wins or 53 wins and 2 SX Championships. The 3 of them are legends in their own ways IMO tho.
Webb had the Holy Spirit last night. Sexton is just buying time till he gets on the green bike in October. Starting to think Chase is a one hit wonder. Can't blame the bike or the team on his mental breakdown yet again. Congrats to Mcelrath on his breakout ride.
Sorry kids.
Watched the main replay earlier.
When the focus, and camera turned to Webb, it was mainly a negative take.
And in watching the replay, it was almost like the two clowns in the booth were running a PR campaign for plessinger.
Knowing his tenure at KTM is in question at season's end.
Objectivity went out the window.
Yep, there's not a racer out there who wouldn't trade wins for championships.
In any form of racing.
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If you got 50 plus 450 SX wins and two titles you aren’t a very good closer. Dungey 34 wins and 4 titles. Villopoto 4 titles around 40 wins
Villopoto won his 4 titles consecutively, didn't he ?
He retired at 26 years old. Had he stayed in the sport for another 4 seasons, like most do, his wins/championships stats would likely have grown considerably.
You know he was being complimentary of the Ryan's, right? He was saying Tomac and Stewart don't have the appropriate amount of titles for all those wins
Yes, I'm well aware. Just adding a remarkable observation about specifically Ryan Villopoto.
Holy shit....the AP lovefest was ridiculous. "cowboy this....cowboy that".
I really like AP.....but the stupid fake "cowboy" bullshit has worn thin. He doesn't need that shit, he's already likeable. Even more cringey is the "do it for Dale" line....a few races back he couldn't even answer why Dale meant so much to him.
I take your point and I guess we have to beg to differ on what constitutes a legend and also the relative weighting given to championships. For example, would you argue Jason Anderson was a better SX racer than Ken Roczen in his prime? If people think Webb is a legend it seems to be based not only his wins and championships but his grit, determination etc. That's all very well, but my definition of a legend depends on wins plus raw speed, style and brilliance in speed and style that is beyond the normal for this level. Therefore: legends = Jett Lawrence, Eli Tomac, James Stewart, RC, RV and so on.
It also hasn't beeb pointed out anywhere lately that Cooper Webb is racing against a depleted field. Yes, I know, I know, he can only race who's there etc etc. But the point is if they were there (meaning Jett and Eli) his win count would be down. Chase Sexton - due to weird meltdowns - is not the same calibre of competition as Jett Lawrence, and Eli Tomac.
I think RV - provided he stayed at roughly the same level - would have plausibly got another 15 wins.
Hard to tell, but seems to me like Webb went a lap down and the AMA just has not corrected (If they do that) the results. With the broadcast video, hard to really tell but looks like Barcia, Roczen and Sexon all beat him. Will see.
They would have caught that by now if that was the case
Kenny’s a what could’ve been for me because of what he did to his arms, I believe he would’ve won 1 or 2 SX titles if that had never happened. I’d rather have Kenny’s MX2 world title and 2 450 motocross titles then the one SX title that Anderson has. Webb also has 2 250 west titles, a 250 outdoor title, and had stiff competition both years he won the 450 championships. Not everyone was hurt in ‘19 and ‘21. Webb was the closest to Jett last year as well.
Playing fan boi here....
Some great shots from RacerX of Coop sending it in the mud....
That top pic is bananas. Sending it in that slop is mind blowing. Also, to pile on the broadcast, they kept showing him just rolling the track
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