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Panels can release toxic chemicals if they break. They are putting them over farm land here in the Midwest. I think a lot of people are worried once they fail the investors will just walk away and leave a mess on previously useful land.
Somebody explain to him what cancel culture is lol…
I'll bet they do stupid shit like make you ride the same direction as everyone else on the track.
Is there no place in your mind where you can realize that if you are a 40 year old that just left the AA class and you see an orange number plate ahead of you that it's safer to know that it's a 70 year old dude you are lapping and not a 40 year old dude you are racing with? It seems to me that you are a malcontent that just wants to complain about everything but doesn't have a single solution.
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I’m not sure how your scenario is a safety issue. That’s more of a rider awareness problem no? Safety is more of id’ing the rider bc the rider is down/hurt and people need to be notified? If you’re fresh from the AA class you’d know immediately if that rider is in your class or not way before you saw backgrounds and numbers. Also with your logic. Say you lapped someone in your class but didn’t know they where a lap down. Do you race harder when you see they are in your class or no? Are they a safety issue?
I think moto dad is more referring to the rules for having no boarders and no outlines of any sorts on your backgrounds.
That's our property, Daytona Dirt Riders the property owner requires header wrap on all 4 stroke motorcycles except reverse cylinder Yamahas.
He asked for opinions. He got one from a guy in his area. You may not agree but I don’t think the guy was out of line for replying.
I don't need to see a number plate and colored background (which is on the side and front of the bike by the way - not the rear of the bike where it would be visible to someone coming up from behind) to determine if I'm coming up on a less experienced and/or slower rider. You're grasping at straws here my friend.
You win, and you should be appointed Off Road Czar of the United States.
Seriously, a voting member came on here to get the general consensus of the off-road community and instead of thinking "Hey this guy is trying to gather information to make things better." you decide a better course of action is to give me nothing but shit. GFY
Lol. Whatever pal. You asked for opinions, and I shared some of mine. (1) FTR in general has too many rules, and this just adds to the pile. (2) There are other ways of addressing the tearoff issue which does not include banning them. (3) Many people enjoy using tearoffs, and would be disappointed if they were unable to use them in FTR races.
At no point did I ever give you shit (whatever that means). You're just upset because I have a different view than you do. If you didn't want opinions that differ from yours, perhaps you shouldn't ask for them.
I’ve asked multiple legit questions and he has not responded. Only chose to reply back to you and say you’re not adding anything constructive. Neither is he at that point. Sure you pushed his buttons. If this post was really about getting a consensus to make things better though. Why not answer questions asked and hold a normal conversation. Could have easily asked you what your actual problems with FTR are and for you to explain in detail.
As an area director, you should be taking that information back to the board members of FTR “to make things better”. There is a reason we don’t have tech anymore. They finally realized no extra good was coming from it.
To keep this poll on track I’ll ask my questions again and some new ones.
Has any club in FTR had a tear-off problem?
Has your club had a problem?
How would this rule make things better?
How would you enforce it? Start tech again, but on the line?
What’s the penalty if caught?
I thought I answered your questions, sorry if I wasn't clear or just flat out missed them.
1. I personally haven't heard of any club with a specific tear off problem. There is a litter problem, being an FTR racer I'm sure I don't have to tell you the culprits.
2. We (Daytona Dirt Riders) have not had a problem, but we do have a property owner who can get very picky.
3. The way it would make it better is to keep the trails clean and to give us a more responsible reputation.
4. Enforcing the rule was the big problem that I brought up at the board meeting a couple weeks ago. We would look while rider entered the grid and when they were on the line. The reality is that if you want to hide your tear offs from us it would be easy. That's the primary reason why I'm on the fence. Nobody wants a rule for rules sake. Is it possible to recommend to riders to not use them or mind them by stuffing in boots?
5. Penalty was not discussed, and I planned to bring it up at the next vote.
Once again, I apologize that I let myself get dragged into the mud and lost sight of the topic. This was just brought up because a member of the safety team (best in the country) proposed a rule. When a member proposes a rule, we are obligated to bring it up and discuss and vote on it. All rules take 3 votes to be implemented. I voted yes on the first vote just to get the discussion going.
As far as taking back to the board, first step is discussing it with my club at our monthly meeting next Wednesday. I will take the consensus of my group and vote as per their wishes. I treat FTR as a representative republic. Yes, it's my vote but I vote following my clubs wishes.
1) No problems with tear-offs. We do at times have a trash problem in the pit area. Which is some what expected. Also expected to use the dumpster/s on the way out.
2) Again no problems, but club could tell land owner we want to ban tear-offs. Land owner, I like it. Club, land owner has banned tear offs even though we have never had an issue.
3) No clubs or FTR as a whole has had an issue. Let’s use a hypothetical scenario say it’s making things better though. What’s being made better if we don’t have an issue?
4) If know one wants a rule just to have a rule. Why is a rule change in effect to possibly ban an issue we aren’t having? We could absolutely ask to try to reduce the usage of them. You’re not going to police 1000 riders.
5) what would your penalty be?
As an area director it’s the members in your area not just the club youre apart of correct? To get the proper consensus should their word matter too? Or it’s just what your club wants to do?
Also has there ever been a fire started at stickland ranch due to a guy falling and header starting it? I’ve personally been told by a club member that the header wrap is 100% a club deal and not the land owner. Alligator in 2014.
I'm not going to point by point this again, I think I was pretty clear. A member proposed a rule. Nowhere in our rule book does it say we can tell someone who proposes a rule to piss off. Just like if someone wants to file a ticky-tack protest just to cause trouble we don't tell him to piss off either.
As far as being an area director my name and email is on the FTR website and anyone in my area can contact me about any issue. I unfortunately do not have the power to force people to be involved.
As far as I know there has never been a fire at Strickland Ranch caused by uncovered headers. The key words in that sentence is "Strickland Ranch" because we are just guests on the property, and we have to follow the landowner wishes or else we don't have any place to ride. If you don't agree with that you are free to skip the race or to buy about 4000 acres and lease it to us and you can choose if we need header wrap. As far as a club member telling you otherwise, I highly doubt it but if they did then they didn't know what they were talking about.
The really funny part about this is that I posted a poll that has overwhelming support for banning them which was somewhat surprising to me and here I am argueing semantics with just a couple of people.
All the board has to do is say no and any members proposal is tossed in the garbage. A new proposal has to be proposed and voted. That persons ticky-tack protest got an emergency rule change done though.
You can’t take constructive criticism. I honestly feel this thread shares a negative light on FTR. And should be flushed. I haven’t voted on your poll. I would vote no though. However, as an FTR member, I knew from reading your post, a ton of things were left out. Like we don’t have a problem. We just want to ban them maybe. Or what the actual benefits of it would be. I specifically asked if your club or FTR had a problem bc the rest of vital doesn’t know the answer to that. That would be good knowledge for your poll though. You call it arguing, when really it’s questions to help YOUR post get engagement like you wanted.
The board can't just throw it in the garbage, if one member makes a motion on the rule and another seconds it then the wheels are in motion. We follow Roberts Rules of Order.
I take plenty of constructive criticism but as a reader you also need reading comprehension. I stated that I wasn't leaning one way or another but that I saw a lot of issues with enforcement. It doesn't matter if there is a current problem, are organizations not allowed to look forward and prevent problems and try to be leaders in the off-road community? We do state that we are *"Responsible Motorcyclists." As far as not getting engagement almost 500 people have voted which is about double what I expected. My post was basically sticking my toes in the water to get the temperature. The only people who really have an effect on my vote at the end of the day are the members that I represent.
*The purpose of FTR is to promote the image of "Responsible Motorcyclists"; to sanction, schedule, assist and monitor off road motorcycle events in Florida; to establish policies, rules and procedures to be followed by promoters, with the end result being a series of organized events; to sponsor and support positive motorcycle legislation; and to establish and maintain good rapport with private land owners, local, state and federal land management agencies.
FTR STIVES TO:
Foster a Positive Image: Promote responsible motorcycling practices.
Organize Events: Sanction, schedule, and oversee off-road motorcycle events.
Establish Standards: Develop guidelines for event promoters to ensure well-organized competitions.
Advocate for Riders: Support positive motorcycle legislation.
Build Relationships: Cultivate strong partnerships with landowners and government agencies.
This guy gets it.
I don't get it either. I've been using them for years without issue. I have a 100% setup, and an FXR setup and I am fine with either. Actually before they started putting the little dots on the lenses to raise the film off of the lense so when they got wet and stuck, yeah that sucked for sure, but that is a non issue now.
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Wild for sure. It's crazy.
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