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I love the "mOsT imPORtanTlY itS foR SaFeTy" argument. You got me there. Lol.
I think you missed in the OP, these are not moto tracks in question; these are off road "trail" courses that are cut on private active cattle ranches that are leased to the local MC clubs to host a single weekend race. The ranchers sometimes move the cattle from the race area, then after the race is over and everything (less tear offs) is cleaned up, the cows come back.
100% understand the point of it as I’ve baked myself in the sun being a back up scorer, honestly I didn’t mind it until they got pretty strict with real backgrounds, but of course some bad apples did a shitty duct tape job and ruined it for everyone. When I stopped racing full seasons and would pop into sportsman from time to time, I spent like 30 minutes every morning using a razor to cut my duct tape like actual backgrounds. I took pride in that shit.
Oregon Motorcycle Racing Association banned tear-offs almost 20 years ago.
An easy rule to follow- No littering.
The hosting club always checks for tear-offs on the start line = easy enforcement.
Tear-offs will stay there for 10 more generations. What a lame legacy to leave...
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Just read what I wrote. That is 1, maybe 5% of the cases. So again, we have to 'normalize' and make rules for what is an exception/anomaly.
Same type of LGBT stuff. Getting sick of this cancel culture everywhere..
what a lame legacy to leave, illustrating cancel culture with a bad AI picture..
Great, with that thinking, kids won't even be able to ride internal combustion engines nor actually anything by 2030.. cool, keep going following and making rules!
Yeah bro the gays and cancel culture are coming for your tear-offs
Fucking 🤡
The problem is not cows. The problem is throwing plastic trash all over the fucking ground, thousands per weekend. This isn’t some woke thing it’s common sense
Then go ahead and go clean by highways, around wasteplants, and Africa and China while you're at it, Karen!
And remember us cow farts is the problem too..
I don’t throw plastic all over the countryside when I’m not on my bike, so why is it okay to do when I’m riding?
It’s taking some pride in where you live. But we all know that there is a section of the community that are window licking dirty little tramps that would fit in perfectly making street food in Mumbai and have no issue leaving piles of shit in the paddock before they go home.
Backup scoring it done with one person and a camera that backs up that person. We shouldn’t even have a person doing it anymore now we use a camera.
Right? FTR should totally wait until the state of Florida steps in to handle things, because I’m sure we’re all well aware that government has never fucked anything up…
Been banned in New Zealand for a long time. Seems backwards when i see ppl use them now in the USA etc
State of Florida doesn’t even require spark arrestors for our ohv parks. The fires we have had at the races aren’t even from sparks. One a silencer fell off a two stroke (like 2012), a quad had an electrical fire (around 2007) and this year a kids tank broke.
Don't gaslight me, bro. I read your misunderstood post. This thread is specifically about the FTR organization, and within FTR, it's not 5%, it's above 80%, depending on the year it could be 100% of the races are being held on leased cattle ranch land.
I was speaking more about waiting until government gets involved as far as tear offs go, instead if handling it at the lowest common denominator (the moto industry).
I think they are fine for Supercross and motocross facilities, because you can just have people walk the track and clean the majority of them up.
However I think at off-road events we should have some type of bio degradeable/able to be eaten tear offs. Until then, roll offs only. Sucks but it is what it is
As you’re talking about spark arrestors… and honestly tears offs aren’t a problem in FTR. The problem is the official don’t want to enforce the rules we already have and just continue to make new one. If FTR has a rule in their rule books, it trumps AMA rules. If we don’t have it in our rule book we use AMA.
Dude, you are way missing the mark here. This is nothing about being a greenie, for God's sake this is Florida. We are just looking to not litter and to keep property owners happy.
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You are right, it's no longer a group of people sitting on lawn chairs in the sun (My wife actually loved backup scoring like that, but she's an accountant so.....) but someone has to be watching that video and identify the rider.
You are just a bundle of joy, aren't you?
I'd love to hear your suggestion on keeping track of a thousand racers in a weekend.
Not sure if you are aware or not but after the fire this year, we as a board approved the purchase of a piece of portable firefighting equipment (I believe they are called skid units). A pump with hose that can be fed from a pond or an onboard 100-gallon tank.
The property owners will dictate what the club has to enforce….if they say no tearoffs….then the clubs have to enforce the rule….the off road community is always under attack for various reasons, we should be ahead of the curve and hold ourselves to a higher standard. I use tearoffs as rolls don’t work for me, but I only load 2-3 at most and often only pull 1 during a race. I think the tearoffs with the tether system would work for me…the noise of the whistling tearoff is definitely a distraction…how about barrels every mile for tearoff disposal during the race?
Just don't bring in the 'it's for your safety" BS. That argument is so overdone in today's nanny society. You first two points had some validity but when I got to that one my head exploded. Lol.
All good my man, do what you think is best when you cast your vote. Best of luck to you, and if this is what it takes to keep the landowners happy, then so be it. Just keep in mind there are other solutions besides an outright ban on tearoffs. Maybe try one or two of those before going to the extreme.
I can remember collecting tear offs on the morning track walk when I was a kid. Sometimes we would wash them and reuse them.
You have no idea what youre talking about.
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I bet everybody at ftr really really misses you.
You come across as somebody out to prove that 5% of a group is 95% percent of the headaches of trying to do anything positive
We both know the video and backup scoring sheet only gets looked at “IF” there is a problem. We both also know the “someone” would be the score keeper watching the video or looking at the sheet. That person is in a paid position.
If it’s such and issue. Why isn’t it a rule to have an id tag on your helmet? What’s that new one that just came out you can scan the QR code. That would 100% be a much faster and better way to Id a rider if needed.
I am aware. Confused though on where that fits in the conversation. We haven’t have a fire start from a spark arrestor issue. All been from issues you couldn’t control. The state doesn’t require us to have them to ride on state land.
Great idea to have just incase a random fire does start with the amount of people we have parked in one spot. Again, wasn’t bought for a non spark arrestor issue.
Never expected the day that not allowing small pieces if non-biodegradable trash to be thrown everywhere would be compared to lgbt issues and cancel culture.
I suspect the only farming you actually do is bullshit, because you seem to produce an extraordinary amount
Why would your head explode? I was first on scene to a 12-year-old kid that crashed at our last race and called the safety team in, and I identified the rider by number and background color. How do you suggest we identify them if the racer is knocked out? It's not about being safety weenies, the fact is people get hurt off road racing, why not make it as easy as possible to get help or keep everyone informed?
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