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They were entertaining the idea enough for Putin to react.
^^^^ Ironic that every EU poster in this thread is calling Trump a Putin lover.
That's the guilt trip of daddy (USA) needs to come save us. Otherwise we are complicit in Russia taking over the world.
Why is it not strange to the people who live in the EU why the USA has military bases in their own Country?
WW2 ended 80 years ago, yet the USA is still funding the protection of pretty much every other (1st world) nation on earth?
I could not even imagine if Germany, GB, France, etc., had a military base INSIDE the USA.
But for all you non US residents, it is like you expect us to to keep funding the USA being the police for the entire world and happy to let us pay for it?
And then come on forums like this and say how we are abandoning Ukraine?
How about the EU Countries realize that their taxpayers funds should go towards protecting their own borders?
I’ll add, we often call the President of the US the “Leader of the Free World”. We do this because the President usually commands a coalition of multinational western forces. President Trump seems to be headed to be the first US President in modern times that is not the “Leader of the Free World.”
Sounds good to me. The focus of the US President should be the USA.
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Trump and his team, unbelievable good ( even democrats Gabbard, Kennedy). These people are smart, and on a mission. Taxpayers have there backside. The American Tax payer has woken up. Uncle Sam FAFO music video…..The silent won’t be quiet now……
https://youtu.be/9GUtxZM9sI0?si=kpXN_ePhlYgUyHwo
As I said, Europe ended on 5 August 1914.
What was left after WW1 and WW2 (all self-induced) were the dregs of a drained gene pool that produced a race with no self-respect or pride left, scared of their own shadows and needing Daddy America to hold their chubby little hands and settle their petty little squabbles.
Embarrassing! 🤣
Here are the numbers:
USA population 330 million USA GDP $30 Trillion (or E29 Trillion)
EU population 450 million EU GDP $18 Trillion
Plus:
UK population 69 million UK GDP $3.4 Trillion
Add it up, the EU including UK has a population of 519 million people and a GDP of $21.4 Trillion.
Germany and France combined have a population of 152 million, and a GDP of $8.1 trillion
Russia has a population of 144 million, and a GDP of $2.1 Trillion
Europe has 3.6 times as many people, and a GDP 10 times larger than Russia -- and they need Daddy America to "lead" them, and pay for their sex changes and travel and meal expenses.....and provide "security guarantees". Wipe their tushies too, after they shit themsleves every time Putin sneezes.
PATHETIC!
PITIFUL!
Cowardly for one, and parasitic for two. Trump is right, Europe has been ripping off America for 80 years.
Hey Euros -- give yer balls a tug and see if you can find any vestige of pride or self-respect deep, deep down inside yourselves. Fight your own battles, Daddy America won't always be there to take care of you, thweetie-pieth....
And all you US poofs waving Ulkraine flags and wearing T-shirts saying Slava Ukraina and such bullshit...... either put your money in your mouths and go over there and be a front-line soldier. ............. or shut the fuck up about it and hide under your beds like the Euros 🤣🤣
"I fart in your general direction you silly Ke-niggits". (Monty Python, 1975).
Leader of the free world…. who hasnt sold out to UN/WEF mandated muslim-subcontinent invasion.
USA/Trump admin is standing up to the unelected global govt.
You are going to hurt some feelings of the SoyBoys.
So, Ukraine doesn't have to pay for their defense? Is that what they want, everything free? Wouldn't that be nice? I've never asked for anything in my life for free, and we have a whole nation wanting billions of dollars? And they don't want to be accountable for any of it either? Actually, this isn't just Ukraine, it is the whole damn world wants the USA to defend and support them for free. This whole bullshit that Ukraine is fighting this noble fight against tyranny is such a load of crap anyway, the average Ukrainian's life would probably improve with Russian rule. And the heroic leader of Ukraine, Zelensky, is a military draft dodger in his own country as well.
It wasn't that terribly long ago the USSR controlled Europe up to Berlin, it didn't affect this country's prosperity much at all. As a matter of fact, now that there is freedom in Eastern Europe the USA has more little helpless piglets wanting to suck on the titties of our productivity. How many billions has just shithole Ukraine's "freedom" cost my grandkids? And please spare us the whole evil empire bullshit of Russia and North Korea, their governments and finances are more fucked up then the USA's, they are unable to prosecute war in the Ukraine properly what kind of threat are they to international "freedom", if there is such a thing. As far as a nation killing people "by poison, nuclear waste, and throwing people off tall buildings", don't be so vague, which country are you talking about - it could be so many. It is unbelievable to me after all the film footage, novels, documents and such about the atrocities of war there are still people out there that think we should sponsor such endeavors. Fucking ghouls.
America is adopting Russian style politics by the choice of it citizens.
Our government is becoming less and less dictated by the rules of the Republic and more and more dictated by mafia style power brokering, loyalty and bribery. We the People are choosing this.
We are siding with authoritarian dictatorships and straying from our post WWII allies of the liberal democracies of Europe and the Pacific rim. We the People are choosing this.
We are reducing our sphere of influence around the world. The United States of America will less and less be looked at as the gold standard in partnerships and governance. The volatility of democracy will be seen as a liability in comparison to the steady guidance of a strong leader given a lifetime to execute a vision for their nation. We the People are choosing this.
Weaker nations will be seen as subservient to the will of stronger nations to the point they cannot be trusted with their own governance to ensure cooperation. Whether you stay free or become the 51st state will not be an easy choice, the coercion may involve tariffs, drones, or Bitcoin. The Empire must be respected, the Empire must grow, We the People are choosing this.
Women must fulfill their role as mother, nothing is more important. They must be squeezed and shamed into devoting their life to the children. Their welfare in the home and in society is secondary, the Empire must grow and the men have needs, We the People are choosing this.
Power is to be weilded, history is written by the victors, and a war can be won by firing one shot when faced with vandals at the gate. We the People are choosing this.
All this nonsense of comparing any sort of past conflict with Ukraine's situation is so much grasping at straws to make weak points and to convince yourselves it's ok to tax Americans to subsidize foreigners. Any conflict or war of historical significance is a unique situation of its own, and not relatable to the next battle. Communism is done, children know this. WW2 was 80 years ago or so, a child knows this a well. The USA still has politicians stoking the fears of these conflicts to churn up business for the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned everyone about. Every piss ant dictator that comes along is labeled as the next Hitler, and if we don't "stand up to them", it's appeasement. Give me a fucking break. Ukraine is nothing more than this, other than Ukraine is paying nothing for it, we are. And we are broke. The USA's political policy is to scare the shit out it's feeble minded citizens so they do not mind writing multi-billion-dollar checks to fight these dumb ass wars against any alleged "tyrannical" power that comes up that in reality are most times in desperate financial, political, and societal shape. Avoiding financing foreign wars is not isolationism, it is wisdom. Right now, this moment in some American city, on our shores, American teenage gang members are killing one another. Yet we fret about Ukraine?
Okay, I watched a great race drank lots of beer and had a break. What direction does Europe expect to go with this? It's been three years of lots of money and people dead, and Zelensky is losing ground. Besides making emotional decisions I see three options, a deal, defeat or escalation. Personally, I believe this current leader of Ukraine doesn't care who he drags into his conflict and is about as stable as a bag of cats on meth.
It`s the opposite. That`s why Zelensky proposed minerals deal. To pay for all this to USA.
Please define "all this". Does this include possible armed troops shooting at Russians? Does this mean soldiers from France and the UK in Ukraine? Or even better an entire coalition army pushing the Russians back home?
Pit Row
No. Peacekeeping force in Ukraine, but not USA. USA is isolationist state now. All this, I meant past and future support. Deal is worth half a trillion.
I agree that Russian aggression in Ukraine is a significant global concern. However, the idea that America must always bear the heaviest burden for Europe's security while being second-guessed on how it conducts its foreign affairs is exactly why many Americans are growing frustrated with the transatlantic relationship.
Yes, the U.S. benefits from trade with Europe—but let's not pretend this is a one-sided arrangement. The U.S. military presence and security guarantees have allowed Europe to enjoy decades of economic prosperity without shouldering the full cost of its own defense. While European countries certainly have the technological capability to counter Russia, the fact remains that many have chosen not to invest sufficiently in their own militaries, instead relying on the U.S. to act as the primary deterrent. If Europe is now realizing it must take its own defense more seriously, that’s not a sign of America abandoning its principles—it’s a long-overdue correction to an imbalance.
As for diplomacy, America has always engaged with a wide range of nations, including those with differing values, because global leadership requires pragmatism. The alternative is moral absolutism that limits influence and pushes adversaries further into hostile alliances. Working with nations like India or Saudi Arabia on strategic interests does not mean endorsing every aspect of their governance, just as European nations continue to do business with China despite its human rights record.
The real test of America’s leadership isn’t whether it always acts in lockstep with Europe but whether it prioritizes the long-term security and prosperity of its own people while maintaining a strong, values-driven presence on the world stage. Europe should meet America as a true partner—one willing to share the responsibility, not just the benefits, of a secure and free world.
Ukraine is paying nothing?
Don't hold back....tell us how you really feel! :o)
Okay fine "peacekeepers". But you do realize that ANY nations uniforms that enter Ukraine to say unload trucks with gear become legitimate targets in Russia's view. British uniforms helping set up a missile system become targets. You see where I'm going with this?
"USA is isolationist state now"
We are certainly taking a more Nationalistic approach so that our foreign policies can help us and not hurt us with any deal. However ,we still have over 800 active military bases in more than 70 countries all around the world. And have about 168 embassies representing us allover the world,
Spooner and fellow followers of history, I can truly appreciate your efforts against the scared and hysterical hordes of the made for tv minions…
But, let’s just go with their spin…their NARRATIVE…as fed to them by those that can’t… that won’t …read and acknowledge the agreements that are written for all to see…
“America is abandoning NATO”
“America is no better than China or Russia”
Fine. You’ve got it.
Now, you, the hysterical leftists and Canadians and foreign nations with allllllllllll the answers,…
YOU go fix this shitty little war.
Where the fuck were you “narrative following hysterical whiners” when the likes of Obama and Biden just watched…hell they did NOTHING…as Vlad rolled on Crimea (before any supposed referendum where by the Crimean people supposedly wanted to be Russians…do we know this is true…these “votes for Vlad”?)…where were you crying game bitchers when the likes of Spooner, Inflamed-dude and I were saying…”Hey, what are we doing about all those armaments that Vlad has been building up on the Ukrainian border now that YOU ELECTED THIS DEMENTIA PATIENT?!” Why do you intentionally FORGET Joe’s virtual invitation to Vlad…?
Or are you gonna say,”We don’t remember!”…? (Here, let me remind you…)
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment-minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1
No worries…
We all remember where you were…
You were hiding behind your CNN narrative. Yes, THAT IS WHERE YOU WERE…and where you ARE.
Where were you these last 4 years when YOUR DEMENTIA PATIENT SIMPLY THREW BILLIONS AT THIS WAR…IN FUCKING HALF MEASURES…?
It’s like he was following the instructions of…
RAYTHEON
LOCKHEED-MARTIN
Just like “Ike” said. And you fools want more of the same. Wow.
Now that someone like Trump has actually made ENDING THIS WAR A PRIORITY?!…you show up and return to the very same stupid hysterical bullshit that we’ve been seeing since he came down the escalator.
We get it, you don’t like him and you LOVE…
The Status Quo.
Worst of all, you offer NOTHING OF VALUE. Which, btw, is EXACTLY what Trump is trying to pursue to JUSTIFY further support for the gentleman in the green outfit…he’s looking for some sort of “value”. He’s looking for something to collateralize CONTINUOUS “HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS” that we, the U.S.A….ARE SPENDING ON THIS WAR.
One Nation…HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS.
We’d appreciate it if some of you would just say,”Thank you!” and move the fuck on; but, no…you say stupid hysterical shit & cry and moan.
Where’s YOUR COUNTRY’S HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS?
But I digress.
I apologize for actually knowing history.
Now, go back to your crying and hysterical rants.
You Can Not Make This Shit Up©️(Even-though the usual suspects keep trying)
It would be part of the deal, agreed by Russia. Or that`s how I understood.
Anyway, from what I understand USA is out and it might be France and UK part of the peace deal. Only thing I hope is that USA , and Trump in particular does not put veto on a arms sale. Europe does not yet have capabilities to produce enough weapons. But it`s changing. Even Latvia is building factory.
Okay so answer me this. The U.S. is a member of the UN and NATO, and this membership requires us to defend other members and provide assistance. And now EU members have decided on their own to get involved with this cat that could cause your own countries to become targets? And if one of your ports or bases were to be hit, would automatically involve us?
America is isolationist? Name three nations that perform more international humanitarian or relief efforts that the USA. Next name Ukraine's three biggest international relief or humanitarian efforts in the nation's history.
I believe America will need close allies, a North American alliance ( tariffs don’t make friendships). EU is just that, but it’s no superpower. However China is a recognized competitor ( superpower). America superpower assumed role after ww2 (1945-2035)= 90 years. China will take the ball after 2035. USD $$$ will no longer be leading purchase power of the world. Perhaps conflict with China is inevitable. China is coming……stamp it. Be aware.
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