Roczen TRT?

zehn wrote:

Lots of misinformation about TRT. When used to bring T levels to within normal human ranges (under 1000 typically) it doesn’t increase performance/muscle building etc etc...

Lots of misinformation about TRT. When used to bring T levels to within normal human ranges (under 1000 typically) it doesn’t increase performance/muscle building etc etc. Bringing someone from a clinically lower level to a natural level can increase those aspects but only to something approximating average.

If you are already within a natural level (e.g. 500) and use TRT to get up to say, 800, you really won’t notice much difference either. It’s only at the suprahuman levels that you see great increases in muscle building, recovery etc. Talking like 1500+ here, which you won’t get from TRT unless your doctor is purposefully looking the other way. 

Ok rant over

Nathaniel129 wrote:

Not a rant, just some good info.Using TRT to get back to within "normal range" isn't going to yield the results a lot of people are...

Not a rant, just some good info.
Using TRT to get back to within "normal range" isn't going to yield the results a lot of people are thinking. All it will really do is make you feel like you did when you were younger and recovered quicker. It's not some magical thing. In my experience, it just made my workouts yield what I would consider results equal to effort and input. Just my experience though.

GoggleFiend904 wrote:

And just to clarify, I 100% agree with you. And I have no issues with anyone running gear either. 

Nathaniel129 wrote:

Not a rant, just some good info.Using TRT to get back to within "normal range" isn't going to yield the results a lot of people are...

Not a rant, just some good info.
Using TRT to get back to within "normal range" isn't going to yield the results a lot of people are thinking. All it will really do is make you feel like you did when you were younger and recovered quicker. It's not some magical thing. In my experience, it just made my workouts yield what I would consider results equal to effort and input. Just my experience though.

GoggleFiend904 wrote:

And just to clarify, I 100% agree with you. And I have no issues with anyone running gear either. 

Nathaniel129 wrote:

I agree with you too, cycling and regular TRT are very different things, so my original response was a little misguided you could say.And if dudes...

I agree with you too, cycling and regular TRT are very different things, so my original response was a little misguided you could say.

And if dudes want to run gear as well, as long as they do their research or know the risks, go for it lol. I just don't like the influencer types that sell that stuff like it's magic and has no risks. 

GoggleFiend904 wrote:

And just to clarify, I 100% agree with you. And I have no issues with anyone running gear either. 

Nathaniel129 wrote:

I agree with you too, cycling and regular TRT are very different things, so my original response was a little misguided you could say.And if dudes...

I agree with you too, cycling and regular TRT are very different things, so my original response was a little misguided you could say.

And if dudes want to run gear as well, as long as they do their research or know the risks, go for it lol. I just don't like the influencer types that sell that stuff like it's magic and has no risks. 

GoggleFiend904 wrote:

There are a ton of guys on gear where I’m from. as long as I’m not arm wrestling them for money, I’m good with it lol 

Flatliner wrote:

TRT doesn't change a man's voice.

UpTiTe wrote:

It could. 

Flatliner wrote:

I suppose its technically possible, but not that I've seen in my circle that are on it, even with guys who are over 500+ mg a...

I suppose its technically possible, but not that I've seen in my circle that are on it, even with guys who are over 500+ mg a week for bodybuilding.

UpTiTe wrote:

It could. 

Flatliner wrote:

I suppose its technically possible, but not that I've seen in my circle that are on it, even with guys who are over 500+ mg a...

I suppose its technically possible, but not that I've seen in my circle that are on it, even with guys who are over 500+ mg a week for bodybuilding.

UpTiTe wrote:

I’ve seen it twice, one ended up being a national champ, the other did great in the GPs. 

Deadric wrote:

Im saying no chance. I have a buddy that does TRT and its extremely obvious. If Ken's trapezius ever start looking like hes shoulder shrugging an...

Im saying no chance. I have a buddy that does TRT and its extremely obvious. If Ken's trapezius ever start looking like hes shoulder shrugging an SUV than I'll change my answer. 

GoggleFiend904 wrote:

If it’s obvious, then he’s on more than trt. Most guys that are willing to cycle test will cycle other stuff on top of it. Or...

If it’s obvious, then he’s on more than trt. Most guys that are willing to cycle test will cycle other stuff on top of it. Or run test on top of their cycle I should say 

zehn wrote:

Lots of misinformation about TRT. When used to bring T levels to within normal human ranges (under 1000 typically) it doesn’t increase performance/muscle building etc etc...

Lots of misinformation about TRT. When used to bring T levels to within normal human ranges (under 1000 typically) it doesn’t increase performance/muscle building etc etc. Bringing someone from a clinically lower level to a natural level can increase those aspects but only to something approximating average.

If you are already within a natural level (e.g. 500) and use TRT to get up to say, 800, you really won’t notice much difference either. It’s only at the suprahuman levels that you see great increases in muscle building, recovery etc. Talking like 1500+ here, which you won’t get from TRT unless your doctor is purposefully looking the other way. 

Ok rant over

Flatliner wrote:

I suppose its technically possible, but not that I've seen in my circle that are on it, even with guys who are over 500+ mg a...

I suppose its technically possible, but not that I've seen in my circle that are on it, even with guys who are over 500+ mg a week for bodybuilding.

UpTiTe wrote:

I’ve seen it twice, one ended up being a national champ, the other did great in the GPs. 

Flatliner wrote:

Interesting.... I've only seen it with ladies physique competitors.  Also wonder what kind of dosages mx guys would run.

zehn wrote:

Lots of misinformation about TRT. When used to bring T levels to within normal human ranges (under 1000 typically) it doesn’t increase performance/muscle building etc etc...

Lots of misinformation about TRT. When used to bring T levels to within normal human ranges (under 1000 typically) it doesn’t increase performance/muscle building etc etc. Bringing someone from a clinically lower level to a natural level can increase those aspects but only to something approximating average.

If you are already within a natural level (e.g. 500) and use TRT to get up to say, 800, you really won’t notice much difference either. It’s only at the suprahuman levels that you see great increases in muscle building, recovery etc. Talking like 1500+ here, which you won’t get from TRT unless your doctor is purposefully looking the other way. 

Ok rant over

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Why is this thread in the Dumbgeon, as if to hide it and deny that TRT is a good thing and suggest it might be illegal...

Why is this thread in the Dumbgeon, as if to hide it and deny that TRT is a good thing and suggest it might be illegal in sport?? 

If a man is naturally low in T and TRT can help him get to normal levels it’s perfectly acceptable. 

motorsikelrider wrote:

Did anyone listen to or watch the Gypsy podcast with Roczen? He touched on the subject but never confirmed or denied the claim. Good for him...

Did anyone listen to or watch the Gypsy podcast with Roczen? He touched on the subject but never confirmed or denied the claim. Good for him if he is.