Can we just run the outdoor season first?

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I hate these guy’s getting hurt at any time, but I also hate what it does to the outdoor season when it happens in SX.

I want to see Eli, Prado, Jett, Chase, and the others on an outdoor gate together so bad I can taste it.

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2/11/2025 6:01pm

Start end of May, run MX, wait a few weeks, run SX, then straight to SMX and it ends by mid to end of Feb?

I wouldn't be opposed to it. Main problem I would see, is stadium availability. I assume their much harder, if not impossible to book during sports season. Winter works better from that aspect.

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2/11/2025 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 2/11/2025 9:12pm

Agree. SX is a meat grinder. Make Outdoors great again. 
At least slow these speeds in the air down. Triple/quad stuff rhythms have no room for error at 40mph. 

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Outdoors... in January/Feb....    Mud, rain, snow....    

Pass.

 

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dsc131 wrote:
I hate these guy’s getting hurt at any time, but I also hate what it does to the outdoor season when it happens in SX.I want...

I hate these guy’s getting hurt at any time, but I also hate what it does to the outdoor season when it happens in SX.

I want to see Eli, Prado, Jett, Chase, and the others on an outdoor gate together so bad I can taste it.

I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. 

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later. and just tanked supercross entirely.

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2/12/2025 2:17am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2025 2:18am

Its the same conversation 8/10 seasons now. As the competition is stacked.. it seems worse. 5 title contenders out. No good

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Agree. SX is a meat grinder. Make Outdoors great again. At least slow these speeds in the air down. Triple/quad stuff rhythms have no room for error...

Agree. SX is a meat grinder. Make Outdoors great again. 
At least slow these speeds in the air down. Triple/quad stuff rhythms have no room for error at 40mph. 

Just to be clear, the events that took out Jett and Eli could have happened on any outdoor track.

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The seasons are what they are for a reason. 

Supercross is more or less run between the end of football and beginning of baseball season because it needs their large stadiums. Outdoors can’t be in the spring because Supercross has to be during that time so you’re left with the summer or fall. DC has said many times that for TV viewership, the series needs to be done before college football season gets going. So outdoors can’t start until Supercross is over but needs to be done by September so it’s relegated to the summer which is really the best season for it anyways given mother natures impact on it. 

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I've always thought it would be cool to have a winter national series while SX is going on. Would give the lappers something else to race 😂

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Not sure how to make it work, but it sure would ne nice. 

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If you pulled the riders, all other things being equal, would they rather get rid of SX, or get rid of Mx? 

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soggy wrote:

If you pulled the riders, all other things being equal, would they rather get rid of SX, or get rid of Mx? 

They make a lot more money in SX though. 

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731chopper wrote:
The seasons are what they are for a reason. Supercross is more or less run between the end of football and beginning of baseball season because it...

The seasons are what they are for a reason. 

Supercross is more or less run between the end of football and beginning of baseball season because it needs their large stadiums. Outdoors can’t be in the spring because Supercross has to be during that time so you’re left with the summer or fall. DC has said many times that for TV viewership, the series needs to be done before college football season gets going. So outdoors can’t start until Supercross is over but needs to be done by September so it’s relegated to the summer which is really the best season for it anyways given mother natures impact on it. 

You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races in the fall. 

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soggy wrote:

If you pulled the riders, all other things being equal, would they rather get rid of SX, or get rid of Mx? 

They make a lot more money in SX though. 

That’s why I prefaced it with all things being equal. So if they were to make the same pay for SX only or MX only. 

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soggy wrote:

That’s why I prefaced it with all things being equal. So if they were to make the same pay for SX only or MX only. 

Skimmed right over that 😆

 

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You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races...

You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races in the fall. 

Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to football. But, NBC probably wants to space out content to maximize viewership so they may also not want it during the fall when they’ve already got millions of people paying to watch college football. 

Bottom line is, Supercross has to be when it is. You could possibly push the outdoors into the fall but then you’re getting into the wet season for many of the tracks and that’s not going to be good for ticket sales. 

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I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later...

I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. 

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later. and just tanked supercross entirely.

Why not just follow MXGP if all you care about is outdoor motocross?

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joshd wrote:
You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races...

You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races in the fall. 

731chopper wrote:
Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to...

Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to football. But, NBC probably wants to space out content to maximize viewership so they may also not want it during the fall when they’ve already got millions of people paying to watch college football. 

Bottom line is, Supercross has to be when it is. You could possibly push the outdoors into the fall but then you’re getting into the wet season for many of the tracks and that’s not going to be good for ticket sales. 

Agree on NBC but the fall is the dry season for the southeast. 

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That's actually a great idea! Nothing would really have to change at all other than contracts and maybe some scheduling. Seasons would just be referred to as the 2025/2026, 2026/2027 season. Plenty of other sports do it already.

New season could officially begin at the end of May instead and maybe SX/ SMX could go to early April.

And more dudes would survive more of the SMX series!

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joshd wrote:
You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races...

You will never convince me that people who watch moto will turn it off to watch football. Mx should start later and run some southeast races in the fall. 

731chopper wrote:
Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to...

Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to football. But, NBC probably wants to space out content to maximize viewership so they may also not want it during the fall when they’ve already got millions of people paying to watch college football. 

Bottom line is, Supercross has to be when it is. You could possibly push the outdoors into the fall but then you’re getting into the wet season for many of the tracks and that’s not going to be good for ticket sales. 

joshd wrote:

Agree on NBC but the fall is the dry season for the southeast. 

Hurricane season is dry season!?

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Tryhard wrote:
I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later...

I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. 

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later. and just tanked supercross entirely.

731chopper wrote:

Why not just follow MXGP if all you care about is outdoor motocross?

A lot of people follow both MXGP and our series

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People complain about SX so much, but yet when you look at riders who choose to do only one series they always do SX only, not MX only.

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dsc131 wrote:
I hate these guy’s getting hurt at any time, but I also hate what it does to the outdoor season when it happens in SX.I want...

I hate these guy’s getting hurt at any time, but I also hate what it does to the outdoor season when it happens in SX.

I want to see Eli, Prado, Jett, Chase, and the others on an outdoor gate together so bad I can taste it.

Hint: Ever heard of Winter / Spring?

Many of the national tracks would be a repeat of the Blackwater 100…

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Promoters like money.  Way less fans would be willing to stand outside in the rain or cold then a warm summer day. 

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731chopper wrote:
Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to...

Probably less important now with peacock streaming and not relying on a tv channel because I agree you’re not going to lose a core fan to football. But, NBC probably wants to space out content to maximize viewership so they may also not want it during the fall when they’ve already got millions of people paying to watch college football. 

Bottom line is, Supercross has to be when it is. You could possibly push the outdoors into the fall but then you’re getting into the wet season for many of the tracks and that’s not going to be good for ticket sales. 

joshd wrote:

Agree on NBC but the fall is the dry season for the southeast. 

soggy wrote:

Hurricane season is dry season!?

Yes do it live in the south east? I do. Sept-Oct is dry. 

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They could run outdoors Jan-May and use football stadiums for SX through the summer, finishing mid-August.

If you want to run A1 to start it off then that’s fine. We used to mix the series like that anyway. If they want really promote “SMX” as a mixed series, they need to consider that anyway. 

The Florida Winter Series (or the Golden State Series) used to be THE series to run in the winter (January-March) (Diamondback anyone?).  Running MX in Jan-Feb is sort of like the Florida Swing on the PGA tour.

Yes, that does mean the southeast (including Texas) would get a few Nationals and the northeast might have give up a few.  


 

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Tryhard wrote:
I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later...

I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. 

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later. and just tanked supercross entirely.

731chopper wrote:

Why not just follow MXGP if all you care about is outdoor motocross?

I have followed mxgp for years . and I do still watch supercross.  But like I said , it wouldent hurt my feelings . 

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2/13/2025 10:13am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2025 10:15am

How many years in advance do we estimate that Feld has signed contracts for some of the Stadiums the series uses every season?

Next question, would outdoor be more dangerous or less dangerous in the winter with rain, mud, or snow? Would the tracks who pay big money to MX Sport see their profit decrease if they ran the race in the Winter?

 

On paper, running MX first makes sense because of injuries, but it's not going to happen. Probably why MXGP waits until March and has races close to the Equator to open the season

2/13/2025 11:59am
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If you pulled the riders, all other things being equal, would they rather get rid of SX, or get rid of Mx? 

I can say with 100% certainty that while SX pays the bills, the riders absolutely prefer the outdoors. Nobody actually likes riding SX tracks and multiple big names (Tomac, Villopoto, etc.) have all said it publicly.

The margin for error and serious lifetime debilitating injury is so, so much higher in supercross than outdoors.

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Tryhard wrote:
I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later...

I know I will get massive amounts of downvotes, I could care less. 

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they started outdoors much earlier and finished later. and just tanked supercross entirely.

That would do wonders for the “grow the sport” agenda.

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I would rather the SX season be shortened to 12 rounds and make the MX series a full 12 instead of 11 again. The main complaint from riders is too much racing in general. End the SX season several weeks earlier, give the riders a solid 2 months to train and test for outdoors/recover from lingering SX injuries, and we would avoid the annual problem of half the gate out with injuries or only at 80% come round 1 of MX.

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