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I’m not sure a guy whose hallmark is moving through the pack hunting guys down with late passes for wins doesn’t have speed. He certainly seems to need a few warm up laps to get going, but maybe that’s just being smart when a start isn’t there.
Folks do come up with some “crafty” superficial notions to have hot takes though.
I don't see Webb doing a Chase going from last to first. Or Tomac beast mode. Or like Jett being a second faster than everyone in time qualification. Or Roczen passing 15-20 people in the first lap in outdoors.
Weege talked about on review show, Webb isn't known to anyone for speed, but rather race craft.
If he wins this title, do anyone think it will be because he was the fastest rider where Chase couldn't keep up if they start 1 and 2. Or because Chase screws up?
He isn't in general passing Chase, Eli or Jett. Nothing negative, just who he is/has been.
Web's 4 out of 5 championships are in odd number years.
Racecraft and speed are incompatible? He passes people and wins races because he’s slower? Maybe he uses speed more judiciously to decide when to wick it up.
I wonder if this is a legacy take from when he and AC came out of amateurs as major rivals and AC was the golden child of the two. Racecraft has taken Webb far.
This isn’t a hot take for Webb. I don’t really favor any one rider over another - I’m a fan of good racing where more than couple guys are mixing it up - and definitely it’s nice to have a bunch whose skill sets are balanced differently.
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Webb is a head case. But when he is on a mission and the track suits him, he can do some serious damage. Also, mentally, he can block out the pain and exhaustion at the end of a moto and somehow push when others are fading. That combined with his ability to turn on a dime in slow corners, which is simply amazing.
So how did Jett and Webb finish in the overall for that race?
Lmao!!! "I'm confident..... if if if".. doesn't sound like you are too confident if you have to add conditions to it 🤣🤣
Oh man Vital delivers the entertainment. Should we start talking about how Jetts speed is unsustainable and he is crash prone? Because that's about the same level of stupidity.
https://youtu.be/MwC-y_DE0Oo?si=nKCrAcLsoiBEtv-d
Since you have a short memory, here's Webb beating everyone 2 weeks ago by being faster and nailing the whole track.
He’s a head case but mentally strong? Not trying to be facetious, having a hard time adding that up.
Clearly he was not down with the Baker’s Factory program, and his performance suffered after he ditched it while still with KTM, but after that era seems to be pretty solid back on the Yamaha with the program he has now.
There’s been some really speedy guys who broke themselves …Canard, Lusk, etc. Maybe Webb picks spots.
Its laughable that People can say a dude with 250 outdoors, two 250 i doors and two 450 indoors isn't fast... doesn't that put him as one of the best of all time?
Of course, some dudes might sometimes have faster lap times, but if they crash out injured, then that kinda misses the point of what it takes to be the champ.
Oh right, you mean this race?
I don't think anyone in their right mind is arguing Cooper Webb doesn't have speed. Anyone in the top 10 in SX has insane levels of speed. What people mean is he has never had the blistering raw speed of someone like Jett, Chase or Eli. Or Kenny before his injury. Remember, this is relative, of course he has speed, just not that kind of speed.
Again, if someone can give me an example of Webb in beast mode, or like Kenny in early 2017, or Chase in 2023, or Jett most of last year (including when he scrubbed past Eli at the Vegas SMX), I'll be happy to see it.
The discussion is not about whether Webb beat Jett Lawrence in a race, it's whether he has the raw speed of someone like Jett. As an example, would you argue RC had the same raw speed as Stew in SX even though he beat him on occasion?
Isn't the point of a race to figure out who has the most speed?
Never said Cooper was slow.
But subtly is always lost on Vital. His race craft is such a strength it overshadows his speed
I recognise his speed which is typically a little under that of the other top guys but noting it would be silly to assume that is always the case.
Yes, IF NORMAL.. because people like you will always dig out one freak race and make it sound like the normal standard.
Would you say after all of the years Malcom has raced he is on the same level of speed as the top 3 just because he won his first 450 main this weekend?…
How convenient, so every time the result isn't what you want, you just say "it wasn't normal".
I'll choose to live in reality
And he’s had around 20 opportunities to win a title. I don’t think that’s statistically significant.
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Hilarious watching the WDS sufferers getting destroyed in here.
When he ran down herlings at the mxgp?
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My examples were from SX and SMX. Also, if you really think Cooper Webb has the speed of Jeffrey Herlings outdoors - apart from one race years ago - I will have to disagree.
Justin Hill having a fastest segment is crazy
Coop has elite speed, his riding style just doesn’t showcase it as much imo. Easier to see when you’re watching him in person. I’d put him in the elite speed category with Jett, Tomac, Sexton.
I think his whoop speed is night and day different, honestly very impressive.
Is being the fastest smart guy not better than raw overall speed?
Race craft. There’s Webb and then there’s the rest. Titles matter.
Put up to 10 seconds on Sexton before Chase tucked the front. Can we consider this myth debunked now?
Objective thinking isn't a strong point around here...
The only person in the class that concerned him in this regard was Jett. He's been very vocal and honest about this, last year during the season and even this year after he went out. There was a race last year I can't remember which where he said "I don't know, he's just really good man" As great as Tomac is, and as fast as Chase is, he'd never talk like that about them because he has answers for them.
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