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They never came on anyways.....now this is the capper....because Mirtl wouldn't let them....
Almost all motorsports media is the same, it's because the media is part of the traveling circus that is SX/MX, F1, NASCAR and IndyCar....
Not taking a side but just a bad look by Mirtl. I can imagine being in his shoes sucks no matter what. But, issuing his own statement which sounds like he was on a bender then further speaking about it. Not a good look at all and any lawyer would be pulling their hair out trying to do damage control. We won’t hear the end of it only time will tell if Mirtl gets back into the Mx scene and manages someone.
True on the civil side (lawsuits etc), but not necessarily on the criminal side. Preponderance of the evidence (“more likely than not”) is the standard in civil court, which is a far lower standard than “beyond a reasonable doubt” as required by a criminal court. Often, at the first sign of consent to access accounts/funds (even if the amount/use is now contested), it isn’t going to be investigated/charged as a criminal matter because they can use the defense “but I’ve been managing these accounts for X years with their knowledge and consent.” The parties would be referred to seek a civil remedy.
Certainly however, evidence pointing to attempts to cover it up on the books, and/or other evidence of knowledge that this wasn’t consensual activity/spending, could pull it back towards criminal culpability.
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That's what I think too - the larger problem is the teams and riders.
What if Tate Lawrence was secretly the mastermind behind this entire scheme? He was pretty coy about going to other teams semi's and getting laced out in gear, to the point Honda gave him a contract and a quad a few years back.
Was this whole Mirtl situation created because of Tate Lawrence's Factory HRC contract expiring, and he wanted to get his pay day, too?
All jokes aside, Steve plays Switzerland and BUDDY to everyone to not pick sides. Doing the same shit with EKS brand goggles too. I get it, it's a niche industry. but FFS, where do you draw the line? Clearly there's a line drawn with Nico Izzi being an addict & an industry thief is something that will not be tolerated.
I find it interesting sitting on the outside seeing who gets a pass and pardon in the moto community.
'I'm getting a lawyer... not criminla, civil, there's a lot of employment things...'
To me that reads as 'I'm guilty of what they said I'm guilty of but the way handled it, from an employment pov, means i can sue and get motza dollars' or something along those lines...
He definitely didn't go hard at defending himself and the fact he never said, 'i've been reaching out to them but they won't take my calls...' and instead 'I havent heard from them'... It was just came off as this weird passive acceptance to me...
Hey Boys,
I only have 2 words based on what I have heard.
Character assassination. . .
Pisto
Grape with all disrespect......brother.🤣
Ain't nobody been "made whole". A legal fiction taught in first year torts...( Can Attest)
This has a long way to go, WMG and Lawrences have put it all on the dice. Reputational, compensatory and punitive damages available in various Courts are available if wrong has been done....on either party!
Criminal if true theft occurred.
This is bullshit to be handled this wat. . . no excuses!
PS
The Lawrence statement specifically mentioned personal benefit. Obviously that could cover a lot of ground but it sounds much more pointed than a dispute over whether the expense was justified.
To use the private jet example…
Let’s say he had to fly somewhere on a legitimate trip and used a private jet instead of flying commercially. That might be questionable but at least defensible if it was disputed and could easily be argued wasn’t for personal benefit.
If however while at the business destination in the private jet he used it for a quick weekend trip to some other destination, that clearly is personal benefit and much harder to defend.
It doesn’t look good, he sounds incredibly manic and not well mentally. I hope he gets the help he needs, but the punishment he deserves if guilty
All i know is you just contradicted yourself there.......
I think as this story unfolds, it will have some surprising tidbits and we will see the real reason this has happened.
I'm still curious as to how/why Jacob Hayes became an agent. Last year he was at Lorettas racing and was flat broke and had nothing going on. To me, I'd like to know how that happened in what, 5 months? I'm not saying it's nefarious in any way, but possible a plan to move Lucas out was hatched and somehow/someway Hayes said "Yeah, I'm in!"
Crazy. It will all shake out in a month, but there will be some other "drama" these boards will be contemplating and most will mever know the real truth.
I am pretty sure Jacob has been working under Mirtl for a couple of years now.
My guess is with Mirtl overseeing multiple riders, he needed someone to work on Lawrence projects daily and that is what Jacob was tasked with.
I promise you no one who is "flat broke" is racing at LL.
Are agents required to have a degree in finance or any background and experience to get that job? Any series 7 or 63 qualifications? Or can any bro just know someone and slide in?
I know it's Cooksey, but apparently he's talking with Mirtl...and he's claiming lawsuit incoming from Mirtl will be coming today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyd7Gj7qsmo
Pit Row
I’m bored at work and decided to listen. Should’ve known better… It always comes back around to being Davey Coombs fault.
lol - I know. Ol' Cooksey certainly isn't afraid of sharing his opinions so I guess we'll see again if he's right or not regarding the lawsuits.
Could you imagine the blowback the whole Lawrence clan would receive if Mirtl is not guilty? Holy shi...
I ain't got time nor do I wanna give him the view.
Got a cliff notes on how he spun this to be Davey's fault?
I get what you're saying but I would make a healthy wager that there are lots of people racing (or supporting their kids racing) at Loretta's who have a higher sum in credit card debt than they have in their savings account.
Where I come from we consider that flat broke. 😉
Feld, DC, RacerX and Matthes all helped to set up Mirtl because they realized he was becoming “too powerful”.
To bring it back to the original topic a bit, I think Steve had him on because 1) it's the biggest story of the year thus far in MX/SX, and 2) Mirtl asked. I think Steve came across as exactly like he said, a friend, which is right in character for Steve. Like it or not, he comes across to me as loyal to friends, but honest in his assessment of the situation. He sounded to me exactly like that--a friend talking to a friend in a difficult situation. I commend Steve for how he handled this "interview" (more of a discussion I would call it) as he did not go in for a kill shot, but was empathetic about letting Mirtl give whatever info he could / would but still maintaining that the optics didn't look good. And you can tell Steve cares about him as a human being while this all plays out.
And Pulp is also a business, there to generate traffic, views, and ultimately Steve's income--what moto outlet on earth would pass on an interview with the subject of the biggest story in MX/SX right now? That part is a no-brainer. The reason Mirtl chose Pulp, I believe, is exactly because Steve is a decent person, and Mirtz knew there wouldn't be cheap "gotcha" questions.
I'm not a lawyer, but I would expect that if he was an authorized user, it was likely as a power of attorney, which authorizes him to use the funds on behalf of the party who owns the account. Alternatively, you can have someone's name on an account but then have a trust agreement specifying that one party is the beneficial owner and that the other party is only authorized to access the account for the benefit of the beneficial owner. I would expect that the contract would have some such clauses.
When my mother was alive, after my father passed, I was both power of attorney and had my name on her accounts with a trust agreement in place - she did this for ease of access and ease of inheritance (I'm an only child, which simplifies the situation). I realize that the relationship between Mirtl and the Lawrences isn't exactly like the relationship between me and my mother, but the point is that giving someone access to your accounts doesn't necessarily give them a carte blanche to do whatever they wish - and this is a case where it almost certainly would not.
Agreed, I think he's coming to the realization that he's in a jump or be pushed position. How far and how fast the fall will be is about all he has left.
This is flat out false. He was working the the Lawrence camp at time of Loretta’s last year. Did you just make that up ?
Vital did a story in 23 on how Jacob became an agent. Google it.
This is all Jason Andersons fault somehow
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