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They didn’t exactly highlight it as a talking point ahead of time on the live broadcast but I’m listening this morning and Lucas is sure doing his best to garner sympathy. He was mostly saying he feels blindsided and talking about how appalled he is. Again didn’t exactly address that it “didn’t happen and I’ve done nothing wrong” or “it’ll get sorted because I didn’t do anything wrong and it’s a misunderstanding”
Not super convincing from my perspective but of course that’s just speculation. I’m kinda bummed Steve decided to give this dude a platform especially before there’s more info. I like Steve but they announced it publicly because legal advisors often suggest severing ties as a first step
This is all Steve’s fault
He keeps saying he has been blindsided, but this hasn’t come from nowhere, if he was confident he did nothing wrong, he would be saying that, instead he is just acting surprised and insulted.
This is what greed gets you, he has the highest paid athletes in the sport and could have just sat pretty and cashed the checks for the next 10+ years, and now he’s unemployed..
I listened to it last night... At one point it sounded like he wanted to cry. It should be interesting once more details get released.
You're disappointed?
Isn't the general consensus on here that the moto media sucks and never asks hard questions and never covers touchy situations like this?
Now Matthes has the dude on his show and we're disappointed?
Can't win I guess.....
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Obviously, you've picked a side without any evidence. Fitting screen name.
It was a weird call. I don’t think it really helped him in anyway but maybe even the opposite. Can’t help but feel like he’s going to create some awkwardness at the moment if he keeps planning on going to the races as normal like he said.
My gut instinct listening, dude is guilty.
How many clients did he lose across the board?
I'll withhold judgement until the actual facts come out. Innocent until proven guilty in my book.
20 pager?
When people bring up “general consensus on vital” you’re assuming whatever you read on vital frequently is somehow my view as well, which is silly.
I’m frustrated with what came across as Steve heavily empathizing with and using the term “buddy” and other sympathetic language toward this dude before there’s info. That would be media bias which I think we can all agree is not good under most circumstances. I like Steve and criticizing how he handled this really feeds more into the bigger conversation of moto media guys playing it safe and being friends with people rather than covering a story. This is another example of the moto media trying to maintain a friendship rather than asking tough questions.
Again, I like Steve and pulp and I listen every week. This is a criticism but I am still a fan
Fair enough.
Respect ya and I get what you’re saying as well
I wonder if we will ever know the truth....
I'd guess Mirtl would have considered all the people in the Lawrence world a "buddy" also.
I'm with you. I can't imagine the truth will ever come out.
Don’t know if you caught it but a billion dollar management group fired him before the Lawrence’s said anything. This implies the people who deal with this exact industry on a massive scale had more than a hunch, then informed or worked with the Lawrence’s to substantiate their claims. This wasn’t a fleeting decision
Well... He's Steve's good buddy. Steve said "innocent until proven guilty". Steve isn't going to pass judgement on a friend until all is said and done and all the details are out there. He was very clear about that. I suppose if he did jump the gun,then he wouldn't be a very good friend.
That makes sense too, but maybe acknowledging that there’s a massive bias there and deciding to be a friend and keep him and his vague bids for sympathy off the show until people know more would’ve been a better move as a media head.
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Steve also did say that he wanted to give Mirtl a chance to tell what he could about his side of the story, He also said the Lawrence's were welcome to come on and tell their side also.
I do not agree with the public lynching that happens a lot of times on Social Media and sites like this. He deserves due diligence, and to speak his side. Unfortunately it seems like he is doing more harm then good when he does say/ type anything.
I just hope the truth comes out one day. If it is something bad then Lucas deserves what is happening and will have to deal with it. But.... If it is a misunderstanding and the Lawrences did this so publicly then that's majorly fucked up.
Regardless of the more serious accusations, I would think any potential client would have to be questioning his business professionalism and crisis management abilities at this point.
I think Mirtl has expensed or "invested" into things that wasn't really ok, but he thought it would be because that's how it's been done before. Or he took a risk spending money on something that maybe could be something, but Lawrences had already said no to.
So gray area from his perspective, no go from the other side.
Probably heavy NDA in place that prevent him or others from saying to much unless in court.
The way I see it, if something illegal was done, charges will be filed. And the only way there's not a finding is if someone settles. Although not legally, the one that settles is guilty in the eyes of the public. If no charges are filed and likely even if they are, Mirtz will sue for his money. No suit would convey the appearance of guilt.
I haven't listened to the Pulp interview yet but on the review show it sounded like many, many people are concerned about Lucas personally and "getting through this". I read into that there are bigger issues at play here and regardless of if he committed a crime or not ( I believe he did or Wasserman wouldn't have fired him) they don't want the guy, a prior friend of theirs, to harm himself. I can't fault the Pulp crew for not asking hard hitting questions if they are concerned about that.
In my opinion, if it was a gray as that, it wouldn't have come out the way it did.
The Lawrence release said they will turn over evidence to the proper authorities, the WMG statement did not elaborate about that specific detail.
That leads me to believe the Lawrences believe an actual crime occurred and they are the specific vuctims, and WMG saw it as legitimate enough to fire him and make a public statement.
Regardless of what a couple guys in the other thread want to believe, the public nature of this firing is a tremendous nail in his coffin. WMG has a team of lawyers for exactly this type of situation, and for that statement to be approved, the evidence is crystal clear.
different take:
he says time and again he truly has no idea what $$$ they're referring to that is missing. Also, he just says over and over "I'm going to confront this and get through it". Perhaps he's trying to put out a narrative, but his words convey that he doesn't know how to respond to the allegations cause he claims he doesn't know what the allegation even is. He also specifically mentions working with a CIVIL lawyer and not a CRIMINAL lawyer, so yeah, lawsuits incoming and he at least portrays he's confident there won't be criminal charges.
Just my .02.
can't disagree with that last sentence. WMG is not a small company. they know EXACTLY what they're doing and I agree that this shows with 99% certainty that there is fire under all that smoke.
Understand that Steve also defended Rich Taylor so seems he’s on the side of evil…
Mentioned in the other thread, Mirtl comes off bad in this interview and his social post defending himself. Have no clue how it got his slimy claws on the bros, assuming Dazzy was blinded by him being a fellow countryman and let his guard down to not see through his 💩
He can theoretically settle/plead the criminal case and they can still go after him on the civil side. The whole system is a circus.
I think he's absolutely guilty, based on how it was handled and his unhinged incoherent ramblings, but on the small chance he's not....I hope whatever lawyer he's working with can tame that ego, or else it will be a total waste of effort trying to defend him.
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