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JM485 wrote:
I understand the point of view you're coming from, but I have a couple of questions (I mean these respectfully, I'm not trying to bait you...

I understand the point of view you're coming from, but I have a couple of questions (I mean these respectfully, I'm not trying to bait you into anything here) that just aren't adding up for me.

1. If all of these toxins in our food and water are in such low concentrations that they are considered safe, why is it that almost every other western nation has banned the use of many prominent pesticides, food dyes, and other additives that are present in the foods we eat every day here in the US?  Do we really need a multi-year peer reviewed study to tell us that ingesting harmful toxins, even in low quantities, can have compounding effects over time that may not be fully understood yet?  Is it really hard to imagine that this could be linked to the explosion of chromic disease in America, most of which essentially did not exist 50 years ago?

 

2.  Last year a friend and I were lucky enough to travel to Spain to demo the Stark Varg prior to its release, which was the first time out of the country for both of us.  While demoing the bike was obviously the highlight and focus of our trip, it also fundamentally changed the way both of us looked at the foods we're eating here and how they make us feel.  Eating over there was a completely different experience, the oils weren't nearly as heavy as over here, and we did not feel lethargic in the least even after a large meal.  Why is that?  What is different?  This isn't an isolated anecdotal story, I've heard this time and again from people who have traveled overseas and didn't really put much stock into it until I experienced it for myself.  Is this really just a remarkable coincidence, or would it make sense that the lack of damaging chemicals and toxins in the food over there may be playing a larger role than the scientific literature is revealing?  I do my best to eat a healthy and balanced diet along with getting plenty of exercise and sunlight so in theory I should feel just as good here at home as I did over there, yet for some reason that wasn't the case, any explanation from your experience?

This phenomenon popped up online with people who had “gluten sensitivity” in America and somehow where able to eat many different bread products overseas. My middle boy has had stomach issues for the last few years and we paid for an allergy test that showed no celiac disease but maybe a gluten sensitivity. I’ve been researching our “enriched flour” in so many of our foods and I believe he has a negative reaction to Folic acid and it’s not a gluten thing at all. It’s funny how all these food allergies and deficiencies have popped up in the last 30-40 years but all of these additives and manufacturing techniques have nothing to do with it.

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Respectfully, you're out of your depth. You're parroting. I'm not a medical expert but at least I know when to be quiet.If a seed is coated...

Respectfully, you're out of your depth. You're parroting. I'm not a medical expert but at least I know when to be quiet.

If a seed is coated in a microgram of glyphosate, that said glyphosate can only carry on in that same dose. If bugs don't like it that's fine but it isnt because the entire plant is just oozing out pesticide. That's not how matter works.

28hall wrote:
Respectfully, your adding words and your own context to my post. I never mentioned oozing, I clearly said RESIDUE and that it remains on the produce...

Respectfully, your adding words and your own context to my post. I never mentioned oozing, I clearly said RESIDUE and that it remains on the produce. This was also confirmed by our resident doctor.  Your previous post claimed I said glyphosate was multiplying which again, that was your own fabrication nowhere did I suggest that. My stance has and will be eating natural foods without additives will lead to a healthier outcome, don’t need a medical degree for that, just common sense which for a man who drives a hatchback to pick up a motorcycle I can understand is probably a stretch 

OwenJakes wrote:
You're so pressed in this thread that you're browsing peoples profiles before responding to them to see how you can ad-hominem them. Let that sink in. Merry...

You're so pressed in this thread that you're browsing peoples profiles before responding to them to see how you can ad-hominem them. Let that sink in. 

Merry Christmas.

No browsing required I’m on vital regularly and you post ad nauseam.

Merry Christmas 

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dang472
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This was an awesome interview from 2 industries.

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12/22/2024 4:38pm
JazzyJJ wrote:
Rapid breakdown doesn't have to be indicative of usefulness. Later on in that same study they mention that they are looking at ways to lengthen the...

Rapid breakdown doesn't have to be indicative of usefulness. Later on in that same study they mention that they are looking at ways to lengthen the half life, but they still note the effectiveness. 

 

AssangeMX wrote:
It does if you believe in the free drug hypothesis,  and if you understand the principles of volume of distribution and exposure at the site (tissues...

It does if you believe in the free drug hypothesis,  and if you understand the principles of volume of distribution and exposure at the site (tissues or organs) of action and the pharmacokinetics behind this process. If it's cleared from the plasma by metabolism in minutes, it's not gonna have much time to diffuse across tissues and throughout the body.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Fair point however that study that you were pulling images from mentions those issues and still confirms the efficiency of bpc

So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?

Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you are left with homeopathy.  😉

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dang472 wrote:

This was an awesome interview from 2 industries.

Casey Means makes a lot of sense with the synergistic effect of all the diverse pollution chipping away at our health. Pollution doesn't have to be chemical or biological,  stress, lack of sleep, circadian exposure etc. However,  even those things could be considered chemical and biological given the subtle changes they have on animals and humans

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12/22/2024 5:17pm

I've been riding this weekend and read a bit of this stuff. However I just finished getting caught up. Informative read regardless of your view or opinion regarding BPC-157 and our health, based on food consumption🤩I know jacksht about BPC-157 and would not injest that ever, so says a man who grew up in the 60's and truly enjoyed life😆🤣😗🤪🤔😇  Plus 2 near death experiences, perhaps sometime later🥸

The direction that I take and travel is if the "item" cannot in some manner appear to be from our creator, then it is suspect to the health of a human being.

I consume as fresh and clean as I can logically find when I shop. I eat mostly live food so I can get the best all  natural nourishment possible. Research structured water.  

Yes I eat pizza and other questionable foods. Cheat days are healthy mentally as we all have been deeply programmed into believing lots of questionable things. Ones individual discernment skills are paramount in this effort. 

For me I strongly believe that I am doing the best I can for my health and immune system, thus at 73 I know my own health pretty good. Thus if and or when I consume something toxic, my body will automatically respond on all 8 cylinders.

 

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AssangeMX wrote:
It does if you believe in the free drug hypothesis,  and if you understand the principles of volume of distribution and exposure at the site (tissues...

It does if you believe in the free drug hypothesis,  and if you understand the principles of volume of distribution and exposure at the site (tissues or organs) of action and the pharmacokinetics behind this process. If it's cleared from the plasma by metabolism in minutes, it's not gonna have much time to diffuse across tissues and throughout the body.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Fair point however that study that you were pulling images from mentions those issues and still confirms the efficiency of bpc

AssangeMX wrote:
So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you...

So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?

Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you are left with homeopathy.  😉

I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. 

I also have experience reading studies like the above that detail the efficacy of the compound in question. Your conjecture about useful amounts doesn't really play here when the very data you are using to support your position comes from a source that details the usefulness of that same compound. 

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12/22/2024 6:26pm Edited Date/Time 12/22/2024 6:27pm
JazzyJJ wrote:

Fair point however that study that you were pulling images from mentions those issues and still confirms the efficiency of bpc

AssangeMX wrote:
So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you...

So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?

Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you are left with homeopathy.  😉

JazzyJJ wrote:
I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. I also have experience reading studies like the above that...

I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. 

I also have experience reading studies like the above that detail the efficacy of the compound in question. Your conjecture about useful amounts doesn't really play here when the very data you are using to support your position comes from a source that details the usefulness of that same compound. 

Are you injecting it? IV? How much and how often?

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AssangeMX wrote:
So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you...

So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?

Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you are left with homeopathy.  😉

JazzyJJ wrote:
I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. I also have experience reading studies like the above that...

I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. 

I also have experience reading studies like the above that detail the efficacy of the compound in question. Your conjecture about useful amounts doesn't really play here when the very data you are using to support your position comes from a source that details the usefulness of that same compound. 

AssangeMX wrote:

Are you injecting it? IV? How much and how often?

Sub Q and 250 mcg twice a day for 8-10 weeks. 

12/22/2024 7:17pm
Zerofear66 wrote:
Both great peptides if used correctly.  Assuming you get real stuff. Dr.Seeds who is an ortho MD uses it on his pts. You can listen to...

Both great peptides if used correctly.  Assuming you get real stuff. Dr.Seeds who is an ortho MD uses it on his pts. You can listen to him on YouTube.  Also you can access research on these peptides on Pubmed.

I've used both on a back injury. WITH rehab movements per Stuart McGill.  I went from not being able to bend forward 15 degrees to doing RDLs with considerable weight. Pain-free in about a month. 

They’re  illegal to make in the US right now and there is no data showing efficacy on pubmed because there are virtually no human studies on...

They’re  illegal to make in the US right now and there is no data showing efficacy on pubmed because there are virtually no human studies on either compound.

You’re dead wrong on this. You’re spewing false information like it’s fact and it’s down right wrong and harmful. Peptides are legal if used for research purposes and are also legal if prescribed by a physician. I’m currently taking BPC 157 and TB 500 that was prescribed by a FL physician that came to me from a compounding pharmacy in Brooksville, FL.

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JazzyJJ wrote:
I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. I also have experience reading studies like the above that...

I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. 

I also have experience reading studies like the above that detail the efficacy of the compound in question. Your conjecture about useful amounts doesn't really play here when the very data you are using to support your position comes from a source that details the usefulness of that same compound. 

AssangeMX wrote:

Are you injecting it? IV? How much and how often?

JazzyJJ wrote:

Sub Q and 250 mcg twice a day for 8-10 weeks. 

250 micrograms? As in one quarter of a milligram?

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AssangeMX wrote:
So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you...

So what are your experiences with free drug hypothesis,  pharmacokinetics and pharmaco dynamics?

Because in my experience,  if you can't correlate free drug concentration vs efficacy, you are left with homeopathy.  😉

JazzyJJ wrote:
I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. I also have experience reading studies like the above that...

I have experiences taking BPC 157 that include healing injuries must faster than anyone, including doctors, expected. 

I also have experience reading studies like the above that detail the efficacy of the compound in question. Your conjecture about useful amounts doesn't really play here when the very data you are using to support your position comes from a source that details the usefulness of that same compound. 

AssangeMX wrote:

Are you injecting it? IV? How much and how often?

I’ve been using it for 8 for separates shoulder. I feel that it did help my recovery and inflammation.

I was using bpc157/TB500 5mg/5mg, I have to look at what my doseage was. I did one time per day injection in shoulder. I’d use it again for injury recovery.

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Every time I thought I was busted up, I would walk into my great sports medicine doctor's office and he would say, ah, this will all heal, you will be fine.  Hope the same for you.  I have a few compressed vertebrae between my shoulder blades.  Never did surgery or any injections and now 20 years on, they are no problem.  I bought a solid Roman chair so I could do sit ups and reverse back hyper extensions to keep my core and back strong.  Still using it to this day.  Best of luck.

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Anyone looking for additional information or interested in blood work, hormone replacement, and peptide therapy feel free to reach out.  I am partners in a Telehealth medical practice, and we service all 50 states, and all prescriptions come from 503a & b compounding pharmacies.  There’s a lot of good information in this post, and strong opinions in either direction.  Hormone replacement & peptide therapy are mostly amazing tools for the tool box, and not just a wonder medication to fix everything.  

@ML you can delete this if not allowed, but if anyone is interested you can reach out to me directly at mercer@vidalmed.com or www.vidalmed.com.  

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28hall wrote:
Respectfully, your adding words and your own context to my post. I never mentioned oozing, I clearly said RESIDUE and that it remains on the produce...

Respectfully, your adding words and your own context to my post. I never mentioned oozing, I clearly said RESIDUE and that it remains on the produce. This was also confirmed by our resident doctor.  Your previous post claimed I said glyphosate was multiplying which again, that was your own fabrication nowhere did I suggest that. My stance has and will be eating natural foods without additives will lead to a healthier outcome, don’t need a medical degree for that, just common sense which for a man who drives a hatchback to pick up a motorcycle I can understand is probably a stretch 

OwenJakes wrote:
You're so pressed in this thread that you're browsing peoples profiles before responding to them to see how you can ad-hominem them. Let that sink in. Merry...

You're so pressed in this thread that you're browsing peoples profiles before responding to them to see how you can ad-hominem them. Let that sink in. 

Merry Christmas.

28hall wrote:

No browsing required I’m on vital regularly and you post ad nauseam.

Merry Christmas 

FYI, bugs don't give a shit about glyphosate, it's a herbicide....

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BPC/TB500 combo works. It is more effective than just diet, sleep, trt, etc .

Healed rotator cuff tendonitis from lifting that made it impossible to lift anything and painful to put shirts on. Had pain for 7 years, was asking docs if surgery would help. 2 months of BPC/TB and all is well. 

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As my list of stuff that huerts gets longer and longer i am curious to this topic aswell.

I had my elbow dislocated last year. My knees are more or less fucked, my wrists are very bad cause i broke them and had surgery a few times.

before you doom me:
I do have an active lifestyle and i coach and train crossfit weekly. I eat with caution, not to much high processed food, few sugar, but alot of vegies and fruit. I have been to physio osteo, tcm, not to mention alot of doctors.


Of you that have tried this route: did u habe any side effects? 

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Kanista wrote:
As my list of stuff that huerts gets longer and longer i am curious to this topic aswell.I had my elbow dislocated last year. My knees...

As my list of stuff that huerts gets longer and longer i am curious to this topic aswell.

I had my elbow dislocated last year. My knees are more or less fucked, my wrists are very bad cause i broke them and had surgery a few times.

before you doom me:
I do have an active lifestyle and i coach and train crossfit weekly. I eat with caution, not to much high processed food, few sugar, but alot of vegies and fruit. I have been to physio osteo, tcm, not to mention alot of doctors.


Of you that have tried this route: did u habe any side effects? 

I'm 58 and have used it for years to help recover from various injuries and surgeries. My Dr prescribes it.

 

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