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Hello-

I was hoping to gain some knowledge on this peptide.

I'm pretty broken and seeking something that will help my discomfort.I know nothing about it but having done a quick few searches it sounds decent..I don't like the idea of steroids/injections but I'd be lying if said I wasn't intrigued by it.

Side effects? I have a compressed L3,separated shoulder,various spinous process fractures,plated scapula.2 breaks on the opposite side and 8 ribs that have healed and run a very physical construction company.

My apologies if this is 'non moto' but figured this was the best plac to ask 

Thanks in advance 

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12/19/2024 10:40pm

My advice would be to check out the peptides subreddit. 

My personal experience with BPC-157 and TB-500 (aka The Wolverine Stack) for trying to rehab an ongoing groin/hip issue wasn’t positive. Saw no real benefits or change. 

Currently on a cycle of HGH and the results were almost immediate. 

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12/19/2024 11:50pm
Hello-I was hoping to gain some knowledge on this peptide.I'm pretty broken and seeking something that will help my discomfort.I know nothing about it but having...

Hello-

I was hoping to gain some knowledge on this peptide.

I'm pretty broken and seeking something that will help my discomfort.I know nothing about it but having done a quick few searches it sounds decent..I don't like the idea of steroids/injections but I'd be lying if said I wasn't intrigued by it.

Side effects? I have a compressed L3,separated shoulder,various spinous process fractures,plated scapula.2 breaks on the opposite side and 8 ribs that have healed and run a very physical construction company.

My apologies if this is 'non moto' but figured this was the best plac to ask 

Thanks in advance 

No real safety data in humans and no data showing it works, unfortunately. It’s also not being legitimately made anywhere in the US. 

Not a lot that’s going to help save for time, good diet, and PT/exercise. Heal up fast!

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Not the answer your probably looking for but the only real long term answer is diet and lifestyle. There is no magic pill or silver bullet and the pep tides are no different. Eating organic pesticide and gmo free fruits and vegetables with grass fed and finished meats, proper hydration with mineral rich water and eating unpasteurised dairy while cutting out all the inflammatory toxins like preservatives, gmos, artificial sweeteners and processed foods. The body is amazingly resilient and heals itself once it is not bogged down trying to process nutrient deficient foods and toxins. I’ve been where you are, 20 years self employed in the construction industry, 2 broken backs, 3 knee reconstructions, broken wrist, thumb and arthritis living on anti inflammatories while suffering chronic digestive issues as a result. I’m 4 years into my journey and am feeling better at 37 then I did at 27. My riding is better, I can run around with the kids and can jump out of bed pain free. It is not a quick fix, it takes time and discipline but the results are far greater and will last a lifetime! 

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Paired with TB500 and long term low dose hgh I was able to recover from a back injury that I had been dealing with for over 10 years. I walk with nearly no pain now after a couple months on a course. For me, its been a miracle that nothing else including surgery gave. Changed my life forever in a positive way. I’m so glad I found out and did it. Can another’s experience be different? Of course. But this one’s mine. 

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12/20/2024 3:57am

There is a product called "Wharton's Jelly" ( I know weird name), that is made from cells pulled from the umbilical cord from donated C-Sectioned babies. It is processed and checked for disease etc and is for fixing issues like you have. I was as beat up as you and they cured me 100%. It is not cheap and insurance does not cover it, but it fixed me and a lot of other racers I know.  You can Google it and here is the clinic that took care of me.  Steel City Medical Center with several locations around Pittsburgh PA. 

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My orthopedic doctor suggested peptides for my arthritis and joint issues. Told me it’s about 800$ a month. Going to do some research on it since I know very little about them. Was hoping it wasn’t dead baby tissue. 

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28hall wrote:
Not the answer your probably looking for but the only real long term answer is diet and lifestyle. There is no magic pill or silver bullet...

Not the answer your probably looking for but the only real long term answer is diet and lifestyle. There is no magic pill or silver bullet and the pep tides are no different. Eating organic pesticide and gmo free fruits and vegetables with grass fed and finished meats, proper hydration with mineral rich water and eating unpasteurised dairy while cutting out all the inflammatory toxins like preservatives, gmos, artificial sweeteners and processed foods. The body is amazingly resilient and heals itself once it is not bogged down trying to process nutrient deficient foods and toxins. I’ve been where you are, 20 years self employed in the construction industry, 2 broken backs, 3 knee reconstructions, broken wrist, thumb and arthritis living on anti inflammatories while suffering chronic digestive issues as a result. I’m 4 years into my journey and am feeling better at 37 then I did at 27. My riding is better, I can run around with the kids and can jump out of bed pain free. It is not a quick fix, it takes time and discipline but the results are far greater and will last a lifetime! 

This is the best advise that one will ever get!  Doctors have no clue on how resilient our bodies are.They are just drug dealers for big pharma.

I was diagnose with High Blook Presurer over 25 years ago and they could not tell me why! I got past the insurance gatekeepers and took the stress test on a tread mill, the heart was in excellent shape. Here take these 2 meds, so I did. 2 years ago I said no more. Changed my diet, started drinking salt water (Sea salt), no more booze and within 6 months no more BP Pills. Stil eat clean and drink sea salt water everyday. I'l be 74 next April and I weight what I did in High School and I feel great😍

Bikes are loaded and I'm heading to Bend this afternoon for a weekend of riding......take care of our body the natural way and let it do its thing!!

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Check out Marek or Ways 2 Well. I’ve taken a couple rounds of bpc. One injectable and one oral. Great results. Several friends and pros that use the stuff and swear by it. Just because the lying corrupt fda hasn’t approved it doesn’t mean shit to me. They’ve literally poisoned our food and water supply with bullshit.

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Cold plunge. It worked wonders for me. I go to a place that has one but they arent expensive to have one in your house.

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12/20/2024 5:27am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 5:27am

The guy who drinks salt water while having high blood pressure is wild as fuck.

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gscx wrote:

The guy who drinks salt water while having high blood pressure is wild as fuck.

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

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12/20/2024 10:11am

Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. 

If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then maybe. If you have high blood pressure then hell no. 

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12/20/2024 10:15am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 10:15am
gscx wrote:

The guy who drinks salt water while having high blood pressure is wild as fuck.

jmurphy243 wrote:

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

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12/20/2024 10:23am
gscx wrote:
Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then...

Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. 

If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then maybe. If you have high blood pressure then hell no. 

Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main stream media as a source of information promotes shitty foods and related so one spends lots of $$$ with big pharma!! Treat your body as a holy vessel that it is and reap the rewards😍

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12/20/2024 10:28am
gscx wrote:
Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then...

Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. 

If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then maybe. If you have high blood pressure then hell no. 

Tim507 wrote:
Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main...

Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main stream media as a source of information promotes shitty foods and related so one spends lots of $$$ with big pharma!! Treat your body as a holy vessel that it is and reap the rewards😍

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LOL, boiiiii. 

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12/20/2024 10:44am
gscx wrote:

The guy who drinks salt water while having high blood pressure is wild as fuck.

jmurphy243 wrote:

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

How come the first thing you do when entering the hospital is get hooked up to saltwater directly into you veins? 

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12/20/2024 10:51am
gscx wrote:
Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then...

Coming on a forum and spouting some bullshit like above is why we don't have nice things. 

If you guys are talking like a tiny pinch, then maybe. If you have high blood pressure then hell no. 

Tim507 wrote:
Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main...

Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main stream media as a source of information promotes shitty foods and related so one spends lots of $$$ with big pharma!! Treat your body as a holy vessel that it is and reap the rewards😍

image 881.png?VersionId=tqMFrRdfYBxUYwh4f

 

gscx wrote:

LOL, boiiiii. 

We all have Freewil and Choice to follow what works for each of us. Judgement only impedes the process of enlightment.

1/4 teaspoon + - (I've never measured it) in 8 OZ of water once or twice a day is all I consume in water and use it sparingly on food.

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12/20/2024 10:52am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 10:55am
jmurphy243 wrote:

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

jmurphy243 wrote:

How come the first thing you do when entering the hospital is get hooked up to saltwater directly into you veins? 

We are electrical beings! 

 

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Tim507 wrote:
Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main...

Sea Salt not Corporate Salt as CS is part of the cause for HBP!  Magnesium, potassium and calcium work together to hydrate the cells. The main stream media as a source of information promotes shitty foods and related so one spends lots of $$$ with big pharma!! Treat your body as a holy vessel that it is and reap the rewards😍

image 881.png?VersionId=tqMFrRdfYBxUYwh4f

 

gscx wrote:

LOL, boiiiii. 

Tim507 wrote:
We all have Freewil and Choice to follow what works for each of us. Judgement only impedes the process of enlightment.1/4 teaspoon + - (I've never...

We all have Freewil and Choice to follow what works for each of us. Judgement only impedes the process of enlightment.

1/4 teaspoon + - (I've never measured it) in 8 OZ of water once or twice a day is all I consume in water and use it sparingly on food.

I think it's great that you cleaned up your diet and gave up booze and your BP dropped.

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I had lingering tendinitis in my lower quad that wouldn’t seem to go away, I did bpc157 injections twice a day for two weeks and it went away and hasn’t been back. That was my experience with it, and it’s very possible it could have healed up on its own. 

Right as i finished up with the injections I had a crash that left a huge gash/deep hole in my butt cheek (same side as my tendinitis) that should have been stitched. My gf cleaned the area and put butterfly bandages on it, the next day it was basically closed up. I have pictures and it looked like something that had been healing for days already. Again, it could be a complete coincidence and I have no way of knowing if the injections actually do anything at all, but I don’t think I’d mind trying them again. Other than I hate needles 

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I've heard of it being used in my circle, with success.

I'm personally on testosterone, so any nagging injury heals like it did when I was 21.

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gscx wrote:

The guy who drinks salt water while having high blood pressure is wild as fuck.

jmurphy243 wrote:

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for improving health? 
Checks out 

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jmurphy243 wrote:

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

28hall wrote:
So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for...

So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for improving health? 
Checks out 

What does that have to do with drinking salt water to lower blood pressure? lol

I don't think anyone medical or otherwise would take issue with what you posted. I've had similar results from similar lifestyle changes.

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You don’t need a medical degree to simply look around in your community and see everyone is overweight, sick and medicated up so it’s pretty obvious the current health guidelines aren’t healthy. We have thrived for 1000s of years on basic animal products and fresh produce yet in the last 100 years as the use of pesticides, genetically modified grains and preservatives has ramped up so has disease and obesity. There is no magic pill everyone has to take responsibility for themselves and get back to real health. 

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12/20/2024 12:39pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2024 12:45pm
jmurphy243 wrote:

It will lower BP and improve kidney function. 

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

28hall wrote:
So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for...

So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for improving health? 
Checks out 

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For example, some ultraprocessed foods can be health promoting, eg Greek yogurt and whey protein.


Removing dyes, preservatives, and non nutritive sweeteners without changing the dietary pattern would likely have no impact on health outcomes  based on available evidence. 

Existing data shows that eating organic does not improve health outcomes compared to eating the same dietary pattern that’s not classified as organic. Organic foods use more pesticides on average than non organic, for example. There are also only ~13 food options approved for GMO in the US, with no connection to increased rates of disease (mostly decreased incidence of food insecurity). That’s not to say thet directly consuming pesticides is a good idea, but more to point out things are more complicated than they appear. 

There are a variety of ways to eat a health promoting dietary pattern. Common themes include reducing intake of foods with added sugar and added sodium, increasing intake of fruit, veg, whole grains, and legumes, prioritizing lean protein, and eating mostly meals prepared at home. There is no singular historical human diet that is optimal for health or performance. 

The modern obesity epidemic is mostly a function of the  environment, with calorie dense, highly palatable, foods being ubiquitous, easy to get, desirable, cheap, and not filling.


Supplementing with Tb500, bpc 157, hgh, avoiding “preservatives”, and/or working with scammers like Marek Health are unlikely to help improve health, recovery, or performance. 
 

You don’t need a medical degree to know this stuff, true, but you do need expertise in the subject matter. Would avoid speaking on it without relevant expertise.

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No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

28hall wrote:
So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for...

So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for improving health? 
Checks out 

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For...

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For example, some ultraprocessed foods can be health promoting, eg Greek yogurt and whey protein.


Removing dyes, preservatives, and non nutritive sweeteners without changing the dietary pattern would likely have no impact on health outcomes  based on available evidence. 

Existing data shows that eating organic does not improve health outcomes compared to eating the same dietary pattern that’s not classified as organic. Organic foods use more pesticides on average than non organic, for example. There are also only ~13 food options approved for GMO in the US, with no connection to increased rates of disease (mostly decreased incidence of food insecurity). That’s not to say thet directly consuming pesticides is a good idea, but more to point out things are more complicated than they appear. 

There are a variety of ways to eat a health promoting dietary pattern. Common themes include reducing intake of foods with added sugar and added sodium, increasing intake of fruit, veg, whole grains, and legumes, prioritizing lean protein, and eating mostly meals prepared at home. There is no singular historical human diet that is optimal for health or performance. 

The modern obesity epidemic is mostly a function of the  environment, with calorie dense, highly palatable, foods being ubiquitous, easy to get, desirable, cheap, and not filling.


Supplementing with Tb500, bpc 157, hgh, avoiding “preservatives”, and/or working with scammers like Marek Health are unlikely to help improve health, recovery, or performance. 
 

You don’t need a medical degree to know this stuff, true, but you do need expertise in the subject matter. Would avoid speaking on it without relevant expertise.

So many misguided statements here. Greek yogurts is ultra processed? No evidence of things like dyes and shitty oils causing health issues? 

You sound like a lobbyist 

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Lost the front end and tore my MCL, PCL and fractured my tibia plateau in 2022.  I was 54 a the time.  One doc suggested surgery, the other said lets wait and see.  TP surgery is very nasty with a very long recovery.  I cycle a lot so my quads are strong and I think this helped me with the recovery.  I kept working on leg strength and flexibility.  Flexibility was a major issue.  Got to about 80% and couldn't get that last 20%.  Could cycle but putting power down was painful.  Running was a nightmare... picture a T-Rex running.  I decided to give BC157 a shot.  Got it from the clinic I get my T from.  

It was life changing for me.  I have little to no knee pain now.  I can't go as deep on back squats as I could but I am squatting more weight now.  It was worth the $400ish to me.  Others may have a different experience.  On a second round for an elbow injury.  

  

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28hall wrote:
So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for...

So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for improving health? 
Checks out 

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For...

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For example, some ultraprocessed foods can be health promoting, eg Greek yogurt and whey protein.


Removing dyes, preservatives, and non nutritive sweeteners without changing the dietary pattern would likely have no impact on health outcomes  based on available evidence. 

Existing data shows that eating organic does not improve health outcomes compared to eating the same dietary pattern that’s not classified as organic. Organic foods use more pesticides on average than non organic, for example. There are also only ~13 food options approved for GMO in the US, with no connection to increased rates of disease (mostly decreased incidence of food insecurity). That’s not to say thet directly consuming pesticides is a good idea, but more to point out things are more complicated than they appear. 

There are a variety of ways to eat a health promoting dietary pattern. Common themes include reducing intake of foods with added sugar and added sodium, increasing intake of fruit, veg, whole grains, and legumes, prioritizing lean protein, and eating mostly meals prepared at home. There is no singular historical human diet that is optimal for health or performance. 

The modern obesity epidemic is mostly a function of the  environment, with calorie dense, highly palatable, foods being ubiquitous, easy to get, desirable, cheap, and not filling.


Supplementing with Tb500, bpc 157, hgh, avoiding “preservatives”, and/or working with scammers like Marek Health are unlikely to help improve health, recovery, or performance. 
 

You don’t need a medical degree to know this stuff, true, but you do need expertise in the subject matter. Would avoid speaking on it without relevant expertise.

JazzyJJ wrote:

So many misguided statements here. Greek yogurts is ultra processed? No evidence of things like dyes and shitty oils causing health issues? 

You sound like a lobbyist 

Misguided statements are made when people make claims and cannot provide evidence to support them. Focusing on things that don’t matter like dyes and seed oils instead of things that do matter, eg the food environment, fiber intake, and so on is in error. 

I’m not a lobbyist or a policy maker, but I have been working full time in this space for nearly 20 years and am frustrated with people falling prey to the risk perception gap. Believing something is risky doesn’t mean it is risky.  People are free to take the information provided based on available data and do what they like. 
 

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No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. People have unique experiences that are...

No it won’t. Doctor here and most information in this thread regarding supplements and recovery strategies are not supported by evidence. 

People have unique experiences that are interesting anecdotes, but not really helpful for guiding decision making regarding health. 

28hall wrote:
So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for...

So in your medical opinion removing preservatives, processed foods and artificial sweeteners while eating nutrient dense organic produce and staying hydrated is not helpful guidance for improving health? 
Checks out 

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For...

Nearly all foods are processed to some degree and the current classification system (NOVA) is unable to predict health outcomes specifically relating to food processing. For example, some ultraprocessed foods can be health promoting, eg Greek yogurt and whey protein.


Removing dyes, preservatives, and non nutritive sweeteners without changing the dietary pattern would likely have no impact on health outcomes  based on available evidence. 

Existing data shows that eating organic does not improve health outcomes compared to eating the same dietary pattern that’s not classified as organic. Organic foods use more pesticides on average than non organic, for example. There are also only ~13 food options approved for GMO in the US, with no connection to increased rates of disease (mostly decreased incidence of food insecurity). That’s not to say thet directly consuming pesticides is a good idea, but more to point out things are more complicated than they appear. 

There are a variety of ways to eat a health promoting dietary pattern. Common themes include reducing intake of foods with added sugar and added sodium, increasing intake of fruit, veg, whole grains, and legumes, prioritizing lean protein, and eating mostly meals prepared at home. There is no singular historical human diet that is optimal for health or performance. 

The modern obesity epidemic is mostly a function of the  environment, with calorie dense, highly palatable, foods being ubiquitous, easy to get, desirable, cheap, and not filling.


Supplementing with Tb500, bpc 157, hgh, avoiding “preservatives”, and/or working with scammers like Marek Health are unlikely to help improve health, recovery, or performance. 
 

You don’t need a medical degree to know this stuff, true, but you do need expertise in the subject matter. Would avoid speaking on it without relevant expertise.

So basically until you get handed the exact evidence in a study being told what to think you’ll choose to be willfully ignorant and not actually think for yourself about what your seeing and experiencing?
What expertise would I need to understand health issues are increasing rapidly along with obesity with the increase in harmful chemicals and processing? 
We agree on supplementing! There is no magic pill that will fix a lifestyle. 
Also I don’t know who marek health is but if they challenge your narrow minded views maybe I will look into it! With my limited expertise of course 

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Clearly Jordan would have been one of the doctors promoting cigarettes! Cause you know the medical industry is never wrong…

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