So I just bought a stolen Stark!

RichieW13 wrote:

Is there a way for a consumer to "run a vin number"?  (I don't know.)

groggylbc wrote:

....why would a guy knowingly  with a stolen bike sell it sell it using his real name and at his business? Maybe he bought the bike...

....why would a guy knowingly  with a stolen bike sell it sell it using his real name and at his business? Maybe he bought the bike not knowing it was stolen too.....

 

 

 

RichieW13 wrote:

Except why would he be ghosting OP's attempts to contact him?

Nathaniel129 wrote:

Holy crap there is a lot of information in this thread, but one GLARING thing missing (unless I just missed it). The ORIGINAL "theft" or "fraud"...

Holy crap there is a lot of information in this thread, but one GLARING thing missing (unless I just missed it). The ORIGINAL "theft" or "fraud" is the controlling matter in everything after that.

Unless I missed the specific details of the bike leaving the original dealer, it's absolutely crucial to how this got handled.

Was it straight theft? I don't think it was reported as such. It sounds to me like the original incident was probably attempted to be reported as theft, but ultimately changed to a civil matter. In that case, the titling process can get murky.

Did the OP get screwed? It sounds like it. But to me it also sounds like someone was trying to get out of a sketchy situation where they ended up with a bike that was part of a civil disagreement.

All that being said, it's absolutely possible LE just did what they had to do based on the information they were sold by whoever was trying to clean their hands of it.

crc245 wrote:

This is a start: https://www.nicb.org/vincheck

Austin_Rankin wrote:

My question is who the fuck steals a dirtbike with a gps on it cell phone and all kinds of electronic shit.I don’t give a damn...

My question is who the fuck steals a dirtbike with a gps on it cell phone and all kinds of electronic shit.

I don’t give a damn if stark says they couldn’t track it down cause it wasn’t activated, Bull shit.

And also how does this bike get out of a dealers hands without a payment? Wtf is going on.

crc245 wrote:

This is a start: https://www.nicb.org/vincheck

3strokemx wrote:

Would a VIN show as stolen if there is no insurance claim?   

crc245 wrote:

This is a start: https://www.nicb.org/vincheck

3strokemx wrote:

Would a VIN show as stolen if there is no insurance claim?   

groggylbc wrote:

....why would a guy knowingly  with a stolen bike sell it sell it using his real name and at his business? Maybe he bought the bike...

....why would a guy knowingly  with a stolen bike sell it sell it using his real name and at his business? Maybe he bought the bike not knowing it was stolen too.....

 

 

 

RichieW13 wrote:

Except why would he be ghosting OP's attempts to contact him?

Radical wrote:

It's likely, since it's a small shop, that he may have already used the money to pay bills.

Radical wrote:

It's likely, since it's a small shop, that he may have already used the money to pay bills.

Tiki wrote:

I may have missed it, or no one has asked. If you had run the vin number, all things aside with the business. Would the bike...

I may have missed it, or no one has asked. If you had run the vin number, all things aside with the business. Would the bike come back as stolen? I am not judging because I am with you, in business for 21 years, feel safe dealing with him. 

RichieW13 wrote:

Is there a way for a consumer to "run a vin number"?  (I don't know.)

Tiki wrote:

I may have missed it, or no one has asked. If you had run the vin number, all things aside with the business. Would the bike...

I may have missed it, or no one has asked. If you had run the vin number, all things aside with the business. Would the bike come back as stolen? I am not judging because I am with you, in business for 21 years, feel safe dealing with him. 

RichieW13 wrote:

Is there a way for a consumer to "run a vin number"?  (I don't know.)

gharmon wrote:

Shit around here if I want to buy a bike (titles aren't required) I pull up on a cop and ask them if they can do...

Shit around here if I want to buy a bike (titles aren't required) I pull up on a cop and ask them if they can do me a huge favor and run a vin for me. only got told no once, they got a call about the time I asked him. But you can also run one online. I have done it that way before as well. it costs a few dollars but you get a FULL report on the item. It's like $12.95 or some shit

Austin_Rankin wrote:

My question is who the fuck steals a dirtbike with a gps on it cell phone and all kinds of electronic shit.I don’t give a damn...

My question is who the fuck steals a dirtbike with a gps on it cell phone and all kinds of electronic shit.

I don’t give a damn if stark says they couldn’t track it down cause it wasn’t activated, Bull shit.

And also how does this bike get out of a dealers hands without a payment? Wtf is going on.

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

You’re not the first person in this thread to ask that question, but the OP won’t answer it.I can’t believe he handed the bike back without...

You’re not the first person in this thread to ask that question, but the OP won’t answer it.

I can’t believe he handed the bike back without first asking exactly what went down and how the bike ended up ‘stolen’. 

Maybe the police investigation means OP can’t say??🤷‍♀️

mrpip wrote:

Firstly, I hope I don’t come across as skirting around any questions. As I’m sure you can understand, I don’t know everything about the case, but...

Firstly, I hope I don’t come across as skirting around any questions. As I’m sure you can understand, I don’t know everything about the case, but I am slowly getting more and more information as I go along. 

Yes, to me also, it’s insane that somebody would try to steal a Stark being that it’s really the only dirt bike that can be traceable via its electronics. Unfortunately, as I only owned one for a couple of hours, I’m not at all familiar with how that system works and what would make it so it couldn’t be traced. Connected to Wi-Fi at his shop maybe allows it to be turned on without GPS tracking? I don’t know. 🤷 

So far I found out that it was an Asian guy (not Shawn) in his 20s that “purchased” the bike but had also hit five other dealerships during the same time so he was probably pretty well versed on how to get to walk out of the store with a brand new bike. Maybe someones “head rolled” for it, again, I don’t know.
 

And as for me handing the bike back without having every bit of information, once I have police standing in front of me ready to take a report along with the GM at a major dealership, I tend to believe that what they’re telling me is the truth. I guess I was just raised to respect and cooperate with that kind of stuff.  
Hopefully this clears some stuff up for you guys. I’m sure today will be another day filled with more information and wild stories… I will keep you posted!

mrpip wrote:

Firstly, I hope I don’t come across as skirting around any questions. As I’m sure you can understand, I don’t know everything about the case, but...

Firstly, I hope I don’t come across as skirting around any questions. As I’m sure you can understand, I don’t know everything about the case, but I am slowly getting more and more information as I go along. 

Yes, to me also, it’s insane that somebody would try to steal a Stark being that it’s really the only dirt bike that can be traceable via its electronics. Unfortunately, as I only owned one for a couple of hours, I’m not at all familiar with how that system works and what would make it so it couldn’t be traced. Connected to Wi-Fi at his shop maybe allows it to be turned on without GPS tracking? I don’t know. 🤷 

So far I found out that it was an Asian guy (not Shawn) in his 20s that “purchased” the bike but had also hit five other dealerships during the same time so he was probably pretty well versed on how to get to walk out of the store with a brand new bike. Maybe someones “head rolled” for it, again, I don’t know.
 

And as for me handing the bike back without having every bit of information, once I have police standing in front of me ready to take a report along with the GM at a major dealership, I tend to believe that what they’re telling me is the truth. I guess I was just raised to respect and cooperate with that kind of stuff.  
Hopefully this clears some stuff up for you guys. I’m sure today will be another day filled with more information and wild stories… I will keep you posted!

Nathaniel129 wrote:

Man I understand where you're coming from with what you're saying about standing in front of the cops and the GM, BUT it very well still...

Man I understand where you're coming from with what you're saying about standing in front of the cops and the GM, BUT it very well still could have been a civil matter and they could NOT force your to forfeit the bike.

I was in law enforcement for many many years, and I'll be the first to admit some cops just don't know the law and the civil side well enough to mediate that situation well. The GM is telling them one thing and they are trying to solve the problem.

From the outside looking in, this LOOKS civil to me between the original dealer and the "Asian guy" you talk about. If he walked in that dealer during normal business hours and then walked out with a bike, the chances of it being criminal and not civil are very very low. It MIGHT be able to be reported as embezzled (still low and there are specific things that need to be met for this one), but the chances of it being reported and entered into the system as STOLEN are super low.

I'm not saying you did anything wrong here, but man this is not a black and white stolen vehicle case at all. Not even close. 

mrpip wrote:

Thanks for the response, that’s definitely some interesting aspects for me have more knowledge of. Unfortunately, obviously the Asian guy is nowhere to be found and...

Thanks for the response, that’s definitely some interesting aspects for me have more knowledge of. Unfortunately, obviously the Asian guy is nowhere to be found and used fake everything to get the bike so yes, the easiest way was for me to return the bike to them, sadly then making me the only victim in this whole thing. 

I do hold out some hope that something good will come of all this and I will of course be moving forward with a lawsuit against Shawn and his business. There seems to be so much “gray area” in this that everyone seems a little confused as to how best to handle it. Hoping to have some good news at some point soon. 🤞🏻

mrpip wrote:

Firstly, I hope I don’t come across as skirting around any questions. As I’m sure you can understand, I don’t know everything about the case, but...

Firstly, I hope I don’t come across as skirting around any questions. As I’m sure you can understand, I don’t know everything about the case, but I am slowly getting more and more information as I go along. 

Yes, to me also, it’s insane that somebody would try to steal a Stark being that it’s really the only dirt bike that can be traceable via its electronics. Unfortunately, as I only owned one for a couple of hours, I’m not at all familiar with how that system works and what would make it so it couldn’t be traced. Connected to Wi-Fi at his shop maybe allows it to be turned on without GPS tracking? I don’t know. 🤷 

So far I found out that it was an Asian guy (not Shawn) in his 20s that “purchased” the bike but had also hit five other dealerships during the same time so he was probably pretty well versed on how to get to walk out of the store with a brand new bike. Maybe someones “head rolled” for it, again, I don’t know.
 

And as for me handing the bike back without having every bit of information, once I have police standing in front of me ready to take a report along with the GM at a major dealership, I tend to believe that what they’re telling me is the truth. I guess I was just raised to respect and cooperate with that kind of stuff.  
Hopefully this clears some stuff up for you guys. I’m sure today will be another day filled with more information and wild stories… I will keep you posted!

Nathaniel129 wrote:

Man I understand where you're coming from with what you're saying about standing in front of the cops and the GM, BUT it very well still...

Man I understand where you're coming from with what you're saying about standing in front of the cops and the GM, BUT it very well still could have been a civil matter and they could NOT force your to forfeit the bike.

I was in law enforcement for many many years, and I'll be the first to admit some cops just don't know the law and the civil side well enough to mediate that situation well. The GM is telling them one thing and they are trying to solve the problem.

From the outside looking in, this LOOKS civil to me between the original dealer and the "Asian guy" you talk about. If he walked in that dealer during normal business hours and then walked out with a bike, the chances of it being criminal and not civil are very very low. It MIGHT be able to be reported as embezzled (still low and there are specific things that need to be met for this one), but the chances of it being reported and entered into the system as STOLEN are super low.

I'm not saying you did anything wrong here, but man this is not a black and white stolen vehicle case at all. Not even close. 

mrpip wrote:

Thanks for the response, that’s definitely some interesting aspects for me have more knowledge of. Unfortunately, obviously the Asian guy is nowhere to be found and...

Thanks for the response, that’s definitely some interesting aspects for me have more knowledge of. Unfortunately, obviously the Asian guy is nowhere to be found and used fake everything to get the bike so yes, the easiest way was for me to return the bike to them, sadly then making me the only victim in this whole thing. 

I do hold out some hope that something good will come of all this and I will of course be moving forward with a lawsuit against Shawn and his business. There seems to be so much “gray area” in this that everyone seems a little confused as to how best to handle it. Hoping to have some good news at some point soon. 🤞🏻

Nathaniel129 wrote:

Man I understand where you're coming from with what you're saying about standing in front of the cops and the GM, BUT it very well still...

Man I understand where you're coming from with what you're saying about standing in front of the cops and the GM, BUT it very well still could have been a civil matter and they could NOT force your to forfeit the bike.

I was in law enforcement for many many years, and I'll be the first to admit some cops just don't know the law and the civil side well enough to mediate that situation well. The GM is telling them one thing and they are trying to solve the problem.

From the outside looking in, this LOOKS civil to me between the original dealer and the "Asian guy" you talk about. If he walked in that dealer during normal business hours and then walked out with a bike, the chances of it being criminal and not civil are very very low. It MIGHT be able to be reported as embezzled (still low and there are specific things that need to be met for this one), but the chances of it being reported and entered into the system as STOLEN are super low.

I'm not saying you did anything wrong here, but man this is not a black and white stolen vehicle case at all. Not even close. 

mrpip wrote:

Thanks for the response, that’s definitely some interesting aspects for me have more knowledge of. Unfortunately, obviously the Asian guy is nowhere to be found and...

Thanks for the response, that’s definitely some interesting aspects for me have more knowledge of. Unfortunately, obviously the Asian guy is nowhere to be found and used fake everything to get the bike so yes, the easiest way was for me to return the bike to them, sadly then making me the only victim in this whole thing. 

I do hold out some hope that something good will come of all this and I will of course be moving forward with a lawsuit against Shawn and his business. There seems to be so much “gray area” in this that everyone seems a little confused as to how best to handle it. Hoping to have some good news at some point soon. 🤞🏻

gharmon wrote:

I fell like this Shawn guy figured out he just got duped (or was in on it) and tried to pass it off onto some else...

I fell like this Shawn guy figured out he just got duped (or was in on it) and tried to pass it off onto some else before he had to eat it. The whole part about him not fully activating it tells me he knew something!!

mrpip wrote:

Thanks man I appreciate it! 
That’s a rather fitting picture because my girlfriend‘s uncle is Joey “Pants” Pantoliano (Ralphie) from the Sopranos. Part of the family, indeed!😂

Radical wrote:

It's likely, since it's a small shop, that he may have already used the money to pay bills.

lostboy819 wrote:

Well I guess that makes its all ok then. 

Well I guess that makes its all ok then.