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We recently did a 4 day session with Greg Moss and his advice has turned things around for my 12 year old... We used to just ride laps thinking seat time would get us there....
Mossy said
Drill will get you good
Sections to get fast
Laps for fitness
We incorporated drill i.e. fig eights, ruts, one handed, no clutch, some entry speed drills etc
Then started doing sections (times)
The results have been outstanding!!!! the key nis dont over do it... he still has to have fun on his dirt buke!!!
No home schooling unless he's top 3 racing nationally.
Second, hire a riding coach, Shannon Niday for technique, Gary Bailey if he's still doing it, spend 80% of your money here, test him at three or 4 big races per year to see how he's adapting and learning from training.
Evaluate as you go.
Stay the hell away from local racing if you want him to suceed .
I think you should spend $500.00 or so a month between racing on coaching if you can.
You will see results, the rest is him staying healthy, you not going broke and his desire to compete at high levels.
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I don’t understand the people recommending staying away from local racing. In my day, that’s how you got fast. If I practiced every weekend for one year I would gain a little speed. If I raced every weekend for a year I would gain a lot of speed. We eventually quit practicing altogether and just went racing. But I will say by then my technique was locked in and automatic.
You may not be eye'ing Loretta's yet but I can with 100% certainty tell you that it's coming. The more you go race the more that is going to come up. You know what, we never made it but sure had tons of miles to talk about a lot of things. It gave me time with my boys and now my grandson that I would not have had most likely.
They have never been homeschooled or lived at a facility. We trained with a few different guys and learned a lot. The number one piece of advice I can give is to try and ride as often as you can. All the schools in the world don't mean shit if he can ride enough to practice them. Get gate drops, racing seems to make them try harder than just a regular old practice day. Practice days ends up being a damn photo shoot for these new age kids. They need to post that shit somewhere!!
Wi. Local racing is competitive with riders from 4 states . Tracks in our district 16 in the UP Mi. Get Canadian riders but also iL. &Mn. Tracks r better than National tracks much better soil. 125 class usually 24-28 sometimes 30+, 50+ 24 , 2-st 28-34 . The 125 class is fast some kids hv a local pro help with body position lessons, some are home schooled at the local level. A kid that won 125 at mini o,s usually wins but not always . He doesn’t race the northern tracks . I drove in a 100 mi lake effect storm today, kinda rare.
I tell my kid that the moment riding dirt bikes isn’t fun… we are off to the next chapter. Too dangerous to be too series…
My kid is a top 85 kid.
All we do is race. If there’s 52 weekends a year, we Probably are racing 45. Luckily there’s contingency at almost all the races, so he can clean up. When on 65’s and 85’s, he made up to $750 a night.
Don’t understand the compound kids that only race like 6 times a year lol
If I had the resources we’d be at a compound, but would also be racing all the time
Curious what brand? We make some fun money with my little guy racing off road with KTM. It buys helmets and gear etc.. I fully expect KTM to pull this back however.
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$150 a win. Can do as many classes as you want. When we were on 65’s and 85’s he’d do 5 classes and has got up to $750 in a day. Bought one 2025 85 6 weeks ago with just contingency
Now we’re on 85’s only so the most classes he can race is 2-3 depending on how they classify the age
Try to recalibrate his expectations. It is not reasonable to believe he can catch up to those kids without the seat time and resources.
1. Focus on local championships. Usually the fast kids will show up to local races here and there, but won't race the whole series. If his goal is to win the championship instead of being fastest at each race, that's achievable with consistency. If he gets good at local, then move up to AMA District championship with same strategy.
2. Also, choose one or two kids that are better than him, but have similar resource and time constraints. Then get him honed in on becoming faster than them.
This way he won't become frustrated and give up. We live in an area that is loaded with home schooled facilities kids and kids that have their own tracks. Hell, we race against multiple Lorettas champions on a regular basis. There is no way we can live that life. If you don't recalibrate the expectations, it will drive both of you crazy.
There us a fun and rewarding life to be had racing at the local and district level. And you don't have to go bankrupt doing it.
would be interesting to get an update from op.
hope motocross is still fun.
he hasn't posted in over a year.
has your son turned 16 and discovered girls?
Best advice - DO NOT look to racing as a profession, there is not enough money in it unless you are one of the top ten riders in the country. Keep it fun, set goals, chase the dream of being a pro but NOT at the expense of a good education and career. An average engineer can make more than most top pros, heck, most pros I hear about below the elite level make about as much as a fast food restaurant manager! I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but it is reality. If you are good enough while chasing your dream, you can still be a top pro, but you’re in a much better position with a solid education/ career option should something go wrong.
No superminis yet? Need to drop some contingency on more bikes and 105 kits..😃
Can’t race supermini at most series because it’s 12-15, my kid is 11 (ama 10), so can’t race it next year either.
Locally they call supermini 10-15 though, so we do race that when we can.
Yeah but maybe a fast kid doesn’t want to be a Sub par engineer collecting a big check for doing nothing . And when they do they do it wrong. Biggest pipeline co in the world had a team of engineers. Billions to b made in the 90,s . The team was responsible for engineering & creating a profile inclination, azmith that’s how to steer to travel to outer space . Plus the changing of the 8 degree magnetic north . For hhg drilling. Much more complicated that outer space travel. We fired numerous engineering teams , there a f ing joke. Had to create a new profile it’s a blue print path or map too follow. We had 2 19 yr olds that where born geniuses . We hired 3 guys from NASA fired them too. We engineered all of the Government projects because there engineers may make big money . There actually clueless idiots. Eastern European engineers r taking American engineers jobs at a high rate. Why because there better. There education system is more focused on education not lib bs. A welder in 97 on main line pipeline made 400k in part of the yr. But there 100% perfect not easy to b perfect. Too much talk of education that’s The Soft easy way out. A 98 AX guy made 550k 3 1/4 months that’s the winner . A 15th place guy probably makes 175k. But he is a IC that’s cash in the bank . If he’s 1/2 smart he’ll only claim 15k in profit. That’s only 1,990 in fed tax . A good economy a trucker o/o can gross 1.8 - 2.6 mil No education is needed for many jobs . Maybe a 2 yr tech degree or a few weeks. Not all men want to sit behind a computer pretending there an engineer.
Work on solid technique, practice with a purpose instead of spinning lap after lap, get him physically stronger, and race whenever possible. A good rider with solid technique will learn speed, but a fast rider with bad technique will get hurt over and over.
If he has the heart, talent and work ethic, he will do something.
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Call AJ cat and just be done with it. If he had the time to ride he’d be faster than Jett easily.
Buy a set of golf clubs…..never seen anyone break a femur golfing
Actually, we’re both saying the same thing—you just pointed out numerous ways a skilled person can make way more money than banking on making it as a pro Mx rider. Everything you mentioned takes some kind of training and skill, and pays way more! There are good and bad in EVERY profession, nothing new there.
And FYI, I also have a CDL and worked as an o/o, my son took over the business last year! In good times it pays as much as some engineers make, and doesn’t taker four years of college. But you need to know how to run a business, which is where most o/os fail. I have a truck and trailer on the farm right now if you ever want to get to Texas!
But my point is simply follow a path that leads to a much higher probability of making a good living. Moto will always be there for you to enjoy!
Yeah I was just pissed rambling on. 2-3 ft lake effect storm then I,m waiting for people to show up & work . The longer I wait the worse the next day or 2 is because it throws off all the apts after the 1st. Countless wait items like only using 1 dock & there trk was parked in it ovr night. It’s covered in a ft of snow & the driver is not there. I always thought the 85 cc bikes where like 1983 125,s frames, etc. they get screwed & the bigger bikes r all high tech but they get a ancient bike. But they hv speed a tick off of a pro.
Yeah technique is #1. Compare to bball standing too up rt will hv u bouncing the ball too high. D will pick your pocket quick& I go to the bench. Only do 4&5 lap sprints @ 100%. Bad at rt turns only do 1/2 the track with the most rt turns. If no else is there. I was thinking about when I was 12-15. 12-13 say a kid from Chicago transferred to my school . I played since 5th grade but that has nothing to do with it. I ,m gonna destroy this kid in every way beat him up on defense to a spot Numerous things happen including getting physical elbow to the head, Ribs, etc. 12-13 yr old boys r extremely aggressive. At 14 add more to it and now you hv a reputation as a destroyer & The Star to watch .attitude this gym is packed & the college recruits r all here to see me. Pressure to give a Star performance & all out domination on both ends 200% effect. Play hard to the last second. 15 I was in a man’s body playing against boys 100% ready to turn pro. I couldn’t imagine the fear of the defense attack we want the ball to fast break . Or a pick set soo hard it shocks there body. Applying super high intensity on d . Like Duke pounding on the floor on d , like come on like a fight . I remember a few 85 riders in Wi. Modjewski Bad Brad whoa that kid had a high intensity on a bike. He holeshot the 06 mud moto that RC lapped everyone. 85 sr is fun to watch. Then there on 125,s doing the same thing.
Use moto as a tool to teach hard work pays off, teach them to love the sport. If you do it correctly, they will still ride when it comes time for them to buy a bike.
I grew up at the start of the training facility/home school craze. Not a single friend I grew up with still rides.
Maybe you’re better off homeschooling , just for the education. You can learn without having your mind worked over and your personality reduced down to something less.
as for college college college
How about getting a skilled trade apprenticeship and actually building or creating something .
A lot of guys do well as linemen, underwater welders, welders , crane operators .
No college necessary , earn while you learn.
Also - it would be rad to be a pro at any sport whether it pays or not .
The op has not been on here since 11-12-23 , just saying. I think you could still start late & do well. If your gifted with a athletic body. And if you beat him like ko to the side of the head s few times, kick him & send him flying 30 yards, electrocute him, etc probably don’t whip him though. That leaves marks like I had cow strap, leaves big welts & 3 1/2 foot metal rod Rips the skin open . After a few yrs I had to do test with the country. I refused to speak they said I was deaf . So the country left me alone then. Just to give ya ideas on how to pull it off. Haha . Cow strap sucked because I Can’t go to the lake all summer & the teacher can see the welts puffed up on your shirt. It sounds bad but it works. To activate every molecule in your body & get the brain to lock into a deeper concentration. Great for sports . And it makes you tough as hell. The kid will go to the gate knowing he’s the toughest 1 there. If it comes down to a battle, he wins it. He,ll go for the all important holeshot more. Knowing if he crashes & gets run ovr he can take it. And the best part it’s Free. Lol
Actually, the fast guys have usually been fast from the very beginning. They're the fastest on 50s and then all the way up...
Let him ride for fun, invest half, of what you wouldve spent on serious racing, into an index fund. He will thank you when hes older, and you will do the same.
You can, but once you move up you can't move back down.
Oh ya, I understand that. Thats why he doesn’t race any 12-15 year old class.
Needs to be able to race 85 9-11 all next year
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