2025 Kawasaki KX250 and KX250X

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At this point I’ll just keep my 24 450kx. No reason to switch if this bike is way slow. Also weighs 8lb more than ktm. 

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MxAddic wrote:
Interesting...

Interesting...

dyno

Did you mean to post the 2021 dyno?

 

Here is the 2023 vs 2025 KX250.

 

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11/20/2024 5:49pm
mike44 wrote:
One question : I got on the kx250 25  and feel that the front/bar was highter than crf or yzf.....is the front really highter on this...

One question : I got on the kx250 25  and feel that the front/bar was highter than crf or yzf.....is the front really highter on this bike or It wast just a weird setting of the bar ?

Weird setting of the bar, most likely, or someone already slid the forks to flush instead of 5mm stock height. Same exact Renthal 839 FatBars as the Honda, only difference could be grips or personal settings, in my opinion. 

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mike44 wrote:
It is crazy that they "improved the low and mid range" ans It seems that It is worst! Also that some  riders have almost opposite point...

It is crazy that they "improved the low and mid range" ans It seems that It is worst! Also that some  riders have almost opposite point if view. Did you play with mapping ?

I am going for a japanese bike Next year and was leaning toward kawi, but maybe i should consider honda (but was septical about the engine) or even Yamaha (but don t like that noisy airbox)

mx4all wrote:
Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am...

Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am on the fence if I should try to mod the stock silencer or not. I think there is atleast 2 screens and some more stuff choking it. 

I did remove the screens on my kx450 2024 and it got a bit more power and louder ofcourse. It didn't gain as much power as a HGS or PC did for it.

I love the bike, chassi, suspension  and  ergos is very good.. I am just missing some power. 

mike44 wrote:

For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that definitely feel like they make more power than the base map.

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11/21/2024 1:22am
mike44 wrote:
It is crazy that they "improved the low and mid range" ans It seems that It is worst! Also that some  riders have almost opposite point...

It is crazy that they "improved the low and mid range" ans It seems that It is worst! Also that some  riders have almost opposite point if view. Did you play with mapping ?

I am going for a japanese bike Next year and was leaning toward kawi, but maybe i should consider honda (but was septical about the engine) or even Yamaha (but don t like that noisy airbox)

mx4all wrote:
Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am...

Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am on the fence if I should try to mod the stock silencer or not. I think there is atleast 2 screens and some more stuff choking it. 

I did remove the screens on my kx450 2024 and it got a bit more power and louder ofcourse. It didn't gain as much power as a HGS or PC did for it.

I love the bike, chassi, suspension  and  ergos is very good.. I am just missing some power. 

It's night a day difference with the screens out of my 450.

I would take drill bits to the exhaust before I started tripping.

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mx4all wrote:
Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am...

Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am on the fence if I should try to mod the stock silencer or not. I think there is atleast 2 screens and some more stuff choking it. 

I did remove the screens on my kx450 2024 and it got a bit more power and louder ofcourse. It didn't gain as much power as a HGS or PC did for it.

I love the bike, chassi, suspension  and  ergos is very good.. I am just missing some power. 

mike44 wrote:
FGR01 wrote:
For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that...

For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that definitely feel like they make more power than the base map.

Correct....and It is the same for any bikes.

11/21/2024 1:57am
Duke28 wrote:

At this point I’ll just keep my 24 450kx. No reason to switch if this bike is way slow. Also weighs 8lb more than ktm. 

It will loose 6 lbs with a different muffler and add 3-4hp also 😉

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11/21/2024 4:38am Edited Date/Time 11/21/2024 4:49am
FGR01 wrote:
For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that...

For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that definitely feel like they make more power than the base map.

Ummm,no. I guess you missed my post where the YZ has been 39HP on that dyno for the last 5 years.

These tuner apps have minimal effect on WFO dyno runs. I will cut you slack because you are obviously not a dyno guy.

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FGR01 wrote:
For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that...

For the YZ, the article does not say what map they used.  The bike is delivered with a free tuning app and easily swappable maps that definitely feel like they make more power than the base map.

MxAddic wrote:
Ummm,no. I guess you missed my post where the YZ has been 39HP on that dyno for the last 5 years.These tuner apps have minimal effect...

Ummm,no. I guess you missed my post where the YZ has been 39HP on that dyno for the last 5 years.

These tuner apps have minimal effect on WFO dyno runs. I will cut you slack because you are obviously not a dyno guy.

With which map?

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The tuner apps mostly affect partial throttle feel. You can reduce power on top in some cases though. Having said that MXA reported the Triumph gains 1.5hp by running the Akrapovic map from their tuner with the stock exhaust. MXA also crucified the Triumph for poor tuning from the factory in their 2024 bike review and the 2025 shootout.

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11/21/2024 3:30pm
mike44 wrote:
It is crazy that they "improved the low and mid range" ans It seems that It is worst! Also that some  riders have almost opposite point...

It is crazy that they "improved the low and mid range" ans It seems that It is worst! Also that some  riders have almost opposite point if view. Did you play with mapping ?

I am going for a japanese bike Next year and was leaning toward kawi, but maybe i should consider honda (but was septical about the engine) or even Yamaha (but don t like that noisy airbox)

mx4all wrote:
Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am...

Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am on the fence if I should try to mod the stock silencer or not. I think there is atleast 2 screens and some more stuff choking it. 

I did remove the screens on my kx450 2024 and it got a bit more power and louder ofcourse. It didn't gain as much power as a HGS or PC did for it.

I love the bike, chassi, suspension  and  ergos is very good.. I am just missing some power. 

Sandusky26 wrote:

It's night a day difference with the screens out of my 450.

I would take drill bits to the exhaust before I started tripping.

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

11/21/2024 4:00pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2024 4:01pm
mx4all wrote:
Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am...

Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am on the fence if I should try to mod the stock silencer or not. I think there is atleast 2 screens and some more stuff choking it. 

I did remove the screens on my kx450 2024 and it got a bit more power and louder ofcourse. It didn't gain as much power as a HGS or PC did for it.

I love the bike, chassi, suspension  and  ergos is very good.. I am just missing some power. 

Sandusky26 wrote:

It's night a day difference with the screens out of my 450.

I would take drill bits to the exhaust before I started tripping.

Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has a screen and baffles.  I just bought a PC muffler and my bike rips now.  My buddy took his muffler apart and took out the screens and baffles and now it sounds like crap.  You would be able to see the screen without taking the end cap off the muffler.

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11/22/2024 1:08am
mx4all wrote:
Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am...

Yeah it is weird but it will be interesting to see some dyno runs and also what another exhaust can do with the power. I am on the fence if I should try to mod the stock silencer or not. I think there is atleast 2 screens and some more stuff choking it. 

I did remove the screens on my kx450 2024 and it got a bit more power and louder ofcourse. It didn't gain as much power as a HGS or PC did for it.

I love the bike, chassi, suspension  and  ergos is very good.. I am just missing some power. 

Sandusky26 wrote:

It's night a day difference with the screens out of my 450.

I would take drill bits to the exhaust before I started tripping.

Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

I think someone said earlier in the thread about there being 2 screens in the 250 exhaust. I can't remember if I could see the screens through the end cap on my 450.

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11/22/2024 1:10am
Sandusky26 wrote:

It's night a day difference with the screens out of my 450.

I would take drill bits to the exhaust before I started tripping.

Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has...

I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has a screen and baffles.  I just bought a PC muffler and my bike rips now.  My buddy took his muffler apart and took out the screens and baffles and now it sounds like crap.  You would be able to see the screen without taking the end cap off the muffler.

Keefer said the same about sound. Mine sounds good. Like any other stock 450, because with the screen removed it's no different than any other stock 450 exhaust.

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The Dirtrider dyno numbers are down a lot for all the bikes compared to MXA.  Re the KX, a European review said ‘25 HP was higher than the ‘24 until Kawi put a restricted exhaust on to meet the new sound requirements which brought the HP number down to ‘24 levels.  No doubt the ‘25 will see significant gains with just a few mods.

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11/22/2024 5:17am

An entirely new head design that is ultra modern only to have it handicapped by a cork in the exhaust. Strange days indeed…

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11/22/2024 5:28am
Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has...

I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has a screen and baffles.  I just bought a PC muffler and my bike rips now.  My buddy took his muffler apart and took out the screens and baffles and now it sounds like crap.  You would be able to see the screen without taking the end cap off the muffler.

Sandusky26 wrote:
Keefer said the same about sound. Mine sounds good. Like any other stock 450, because with the screen removed it's no different than any other stock...

Keefer said the same about sound. Mine sounds good. Like any other stock 450, because with the screen removed it's no different than any other stock 450 exhaust.

Did you cut the baffles out?  If not, maybe that’s why yours still sounds good.

11/24/2024 10:52am
Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

Yes it has screens.  Believe 2 of them in the muffler. 

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Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

mx4all wrote:

Yes it has screens.  Believe 2 of them in the muffler. 

Do you plan to remove them ?

11/25/2024 6:13am
MxAddic wrote:

An entirely new head design that is ultra modern only to have it handicapped by a cork in the exhaust. Strange days indeed…

Noise/sound emissions. A few of the European media sites have already addressed this. Kawasaki is getting ahead of the curve for newer, stricter standards. They have to do what they have to do. At least it's a simple,  albeit an expensive mod that will allow better performance. Most people swap that ou  anyway. 

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11/25/2024 7:51am
Deetsmx wrote:
Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in...

Does anyone know if the 25 250 has screens in the exhaust?  Can't see one from the back, not sure if there would be one in the middle or towards the front.

mx4all wrote:

Yes it has screens.  Believe 2 of them in the muffler. 

mike44 wrote:

Do you plan to remove them ?

I ended up taking the muffler off and dropping a small ball through the muffler. It went right through so I believe it’s only the 450 that has them. 

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11/25/2024 8:14am
mike44 wrote:

Do you plan to remove them ?

I was about to this weekend but I changed my mind.. I did that on my kx450 and it sounded like shit afterwards. But I would like to try it.. 

11/25/2024 8:15am
Deetsmx wrote:
I ended up taking the muffler off and dropping a small ball through the muffler. It went right through so I believe it’s only the 450...

I ended up taking the muffler off and dropping a small ball through the muffler. It went right through so I believe it’s only the 450 that has them. 

Mine got screens.. maybe different between US and EU bikes. 

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New PC team bike have a airbox cover cutout similar to the ‘21-‘24 bikes.

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Watching all the videos they say the aggressive map is light on yet in my manual it says standard map is aggressive and light on is normal mode. Can anyone clarify this?

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Has anyone experimented with modifying the airbox yet? I’m considering removing the piece of plastic that somewhat surrounds the air filter and maybe drill some holes in the air box cover to mimic what pc is doing. Also was looking at different air filter options. Currently using twin air filters for the 2024 kx450 but I think theres better options out there

11/29/2024 12:33am
280driver wrote:
New PC team bike have a airbox cover cutout similar to the ‘21-‘24 bikes.

New PC team bike have a airbox cover cutout similar to the ‘21-‘24 bikes.

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Good spot - based on the rivets i’d say that’s exactly what it is - 21-24 cutout off an old panel, rivetted on and covered with graphic. Probably a temp solution until they get something different made up.

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I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has...

I haven’t looked at a 250 exhaust, but if it is anything like my ‘24 450, just plan on buying a slip-on.  The 450 muffler has a screen and baffles.  I just bought a PC muffler and my bike rips now.  My buddy took his muffler apart and took out the screens and baffles and now it sounds like crap.  You would be able to see the screen without taking the end cap off the muffler.

Sandusky26 wrote:
Keefer said the same about sound. Mine sounds good. Like any other stock 450, because with the screen removed it's no different than any other stock...

Keefer said the same about sound. Mine sounds good. Like any other stock 450, because with the screen removed it's no different than any other stock 450 exhaust.

Did you cut the baffles out?  If not, maybe that’s why yours still sounds good.

Just checked. The baffles are in there, I just bent them out of the way.

11/30/2024 8:29am
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Has anyone experimented with modifying the airbox yet? I’m considering removing the piece of plastic that somewhat surrounds the air filter and maybe drill some holes...

Has anyone experimented with modifying the airbox yet? I’m considering removing the piece of plastic that somewhat surrounds the air filter and maybe drill some holes in the air box cover to mimic what pc is doing. Also was looking at different air filter options. Currently using twin air filters for the 2024 kx450 but I think theres better options out there

Messenger creation AB796D7C-CC86-4B96-B89A-CF5E6342B118

 

I cut some of it away to get some more space.  I use DT1 filters they got larger contact surface than stock and twin air powerflow filters and are also larger overall. 

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