HD and El Hombre black listed?

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Okay bitches, we've all had a glorious time but it's time to acknowledge ML's excellent journalistic work to clear up this whole sordid mess!

Great work ML!

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Still curious why Anderson and Roczen names got dragged into it? 

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I don’t know I just don’t think it’s right that riders are partnering up with these promoters especially if that race is part of a series...

I don’t know I just don’t think it’s right that riders are partnering up with these promoters especially if that race is part of a series. I get it if it’s an exhibition race but not part of an official series. No rider in a series should have say over if an other rider can race or not.

Did you read MLs piece? Deegs is free to enter, he just won’t get paid to be there. How hard is that to understand?

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truck wrote:

Still curious why Anderson and Roczen names got dragged into it? 

For clicks 

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truck wrote:

Still curious why Anderson and Roczen names got dragged into it? 

Probably because both of them love some instagram drama, don’t like the Lawrences and are fine with the Deegans…

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It all boiled down to why waste money on him for an almost sold out event with no time to promote or market him for it.If...

It all boiled down to why waste money on him for an almost sold out event with no time to promote or market him for it.


If they liked him that could havr changed things. But there was no upside into paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars to race when they couldn’t make it back.


Well aside from not being dragged through the mud by the Deegan camp and Cooksey putting a spin on it as thrm blacklisting him. Apparently not flushing money down the toilet on a rider racing is blacklisting now.

It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

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11/22/2024 3:25pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 5:28pm
971_Fan wrote:

It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

Take the names out of it. You’re hosting a race and you want it to be profitable. Ticket sales is where you generate most of your income for the event. Tickets are nearly sold out. 3 weeks before the event is set to take place, a 250 rider says he wants a 6 figure deal to come down and race. Do you take the deal and cut into your profits? If you’re still undecided if it’s worth it or not, maybe you would consider your relations with said rider. Let’s say that rider/team has been an ass to you, does that help the odds of cutting into your profits to do them a favor?

Too little too late, IMO. Great journalism by ML, it’s a shame Cookey once-again spread a sensationalized version from one side of the story and the masses have already glommed onto it and the public opinion has already been made by most.

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So my take on this is that there was only a not much cash remaining after paying the Lawrence's ( the stars of the Australian Show).

Why pay Ando so he could ride around slower, when a local ( almost as fast) could ride for free.

Deegan is too expensive.

Not blacklisted, just too expensive for the $ return.

The event had already sold out without them.

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So my take on this is that there was only a not much cash remaining after paying the Lawrence's ( the stars of the Australian Show).Why...

So my take on this is that there was only a not much cash remaining after paying the Lawrence's ( the stars of the Australian Show).

Why pay Ando so he could ride around slower, when a local ( almost as fast) could ride for free.

Deegan is too expensive.

Not blacklisted, just too expensive for the $ return.

The event had already sold out without them.

Number 5.

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11/22/2024 3:37pm
mxlegend99 wrote:
It all boiled down to why waste money on him for an almost sold out event with no time to promote or market him for it.If...

It all boiled down to why waste money on him for an almost sold out event with no time to promote or market him for it.


If they liked him that could havr changed things. But there was no upside into paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars to race when they couldn’t make it back.


Well aside from not being dragged through the mud by the Deegan camp and Cooksey putting a spin on it as thrm blacklisting him. Apparently not flushing money down the toilet on a rider racing is blacklisting now.

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It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

Did you even read the story? The reasons they had for it were all reasonable and sensible. They admitted to not liking him. But that was not the reason behind the decision. It was financial. 


Paying Deegan to race would only cut into their profits. The event is nearly sold out and they dont even have time to market him for it. 


How is that personal? They never blacklisted him. They just wont waste hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring him over to race when it comes out of their earnings from their event. 

If Deegan was in their position. Do you think he would pay them a cent to race if it came out of his own pocket? I think we all know the answer to that. consider everything he does is financially motivated. 

 

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11/22/2024 3:42pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 5:27pm

The best summary for me is it was all business and nothing to get bent about on any side.  If the event was already nearly sold out, why add to it this close?  

It is a bit of a conflict of interest having competitors also in a decision making role, but it's a private event so they can do what they want.  

The thread here and the comments online show how quickly things can escalate on both sides without any facts.  Props to Vital for taking the time to lay it out, talk to all parties, and summarize.  Unfortunately, far too often all parties are not willing to talk and gives the media a bad rep.  All they can do is try.

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971_Fan wrote:

It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

Take your Deegan blinders off and you'll see it was a business decision, not a personal grudge. 

Business is business. 

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The story says there was back and forth negotiating going on. That doesn't happen if it's a personal grudge. That implies they would be happy to have him there at the right number. 

Makes total sense that they couldn't come to a number that makes it worth it to Deegan to go and is also good investment from a promoter standpoint.

Just listened to JT's pod and it's pretty obvious who his source was, especially if you listened to his previous podcast and knew where he was heading. Both his source and therefore JT were missing the Lawrence as promoter part which completely changes the calculation. Guessing the next pod will be walking some things back. 

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The best summary for me is it was all business and nothing to get bent about on any side.  If the event was already nearly sold...

The best summary for me is it was all business and nothing to get bent about on any side.  If the event was already nearly sold out, why add to it this close?  

It is a bit of a conflict of interest having competitors also in a decision making role, but it's a private event so they can do what they want.  

The thread here and the comments online show how quickly things can escalate on both sides without any facts.  Props to Vital for taking the time to lay it out, talk to all parties, and summarize.  Unfortunately, far too often all parties are not willing to talk and gives the media a bad rep.  All they can do is try.

It kinda reminds me of what boxing has turned into. Usually one of the title card fighters is also a partner in the promotion of the event. They help pick the undercards, etc.

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I don't have the answer to this question.It'd be great to ask the Lawrences why a rider who isn't even in their class owns so much...

I don't have the answer to this question.

It'd be great to ask the Lawrences why a rider who isn't even in their class owns so much space in their head.

The Lawrence’s shouldn’t respond to this childish bullshit, so now we have confirmed degan and Anderson never had any intention of racing, we have confirmed this...

The Lawrence’s shouldn’t respond to this childish bullshit, so now we have confirmed degan and Anderson never had any intention of racing, we have confirmed this thread is all a waste of time. Just an attention grab from the deegans, which has been there marketing plan since day 1.

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Your tied with CPR for 2nd.

You’re trying too hard mate.

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11/22/2024 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2024 4:05pm
971_Fan wrote:

It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Take your Deegan blinders off and you'll see it was a business decision, not a personal grudge. 

Business is business. 

It literally states in the article that representation from the Lawrence’s stated that past interactions and statements from the Deegan’s also was a factor in their decision to deny Haiden. 

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11/22/2024 4:07pm

So the Lawrence camp really puts the benjamins first and foremost?

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So the Lawrence camp really puts the benjamins first and foremost?

Well, Dazzy strikes me as a guy that stand up for what he belives in. And if someone did they wrong, they won’t roll over. 

Same as they seem to take care of the ones who helped them through out the years. 

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Are you guys missing the part where the Lawrence brothers get paid based on the profit of the event? And that at the time Deegan asked...

Are you guys missing the part where the Lawrence brothers get paid based on the profit of the event? And that at the time Deegan asked the profit had almost been maximized already? And that paying someone else tens of thousands of dollars with no potential return on that investment would be a very stupid thing to do? And that part of what you get paid for in these deals is the months of promotion you're a part of that the new guy wouldn't have been doing? 

Take your personal feelings for either camp out of it and there is no sane world where doing this deal this late with tickets almost sold out already makes business sense. 

The problem with this excuse is the negotiations that had been going in recent weeks. It's not really the kind of thing that is usually done with these deals. If they where talking about a 6 figure payday a week ago, C'Mon Man.

Drop you like a hot potato...

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When Anderson yanked his helmet like he did, I say, jett got a free neck adjustment. 😂

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I think he got a free attitude adjustment as well. 😉

I think he got a free attitude adjustment as well. 😉

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Yea it really worked in the long run too!

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So my take on this is that there was only a not much cash remaining after paying the Lawrence's ( the stars of the Australian Show).Why...

So my take on this is that there was only a not much cash remaining after paying the Lawrence's ( the stars of the Australian Show).

Why pay Ando so he could ride around slower, when a local ( almost as fast) could ride for free.

Deegan is too expensive.

Not blacklisted, just too expensive for the $ return.

The event had already sold out without them.

Well yes except that ML said that the Lawrence's don't get start money they have a 10 year deal as partners so they get a share of the profits..

So if it was needed I'd see them offering Deegan a contract as it would make them money.. But it's not so why would they? 

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971_Fan wrote:

It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Take your Deegan blinders off and you'll see it was a business decision, not a personal grudge. 

Business is business. 

971_Fan wrote:
It literally states in the article that representation from the Lawrence’s stated that past interactions and statements from the Deegan’s also was a factor in their...

It literally states in the article that representation from the Lawrence’s stated that past interactions and statements from the Deegan’s also was a factor in their decision to deny Haiden. 

Motivated by or also a factor.. 

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971_Fan wrote:

It was motivated by a personal grudge, which says a lot more about the Lawrence’s than people may want to admit. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Take your Deegan blinders off and you'll see it was a business decision, not a personal grudge. 

Business is business. 

971_Fan wrote:
It literally states in the article that representation from the Lawrence’s stated that past interactions and statements from the Deegan’s also was a factor in their...

It literally states in the article that representation from the Lawrence’s stated that past interactions and statements from the Deegan’s also was a factor in their decision to deny Haiden. 

Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. 

The event doesn’t need haiden to sell out and he came along so late looking for a payday  the promoters don’t see a benefit in paying him to come race when it would affect there bottom line. 

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soggy wrote:
Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. The event doesn’t need haiden to sell...

Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. 

The event doesn’t need haiden to sell out and he came along so late looking for a payday  the promoters don’t see a benefit in paying him to come race when it would affect there bottom line. 

It’s not that hard to understand which why I’m a bit baffled by your response. 

Everything you said is true, but to be clear — the article also states that a part of the reason for denying Haiden the money was because of past comments and interactions with the Deegan’s. 

Let’s not gloss over that. 

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I don’t know I just don’t think it’s right that riders are partnering up with these promoters especially if that race is part of a series...

I don’t know I just don’t think it’s right that riders are partnering up with these promoters especially if that race is part of a series. I get it if it’s an exhibition race but not part of an official series. No rider in a series should have say over if an other rider can race or not.

The Lawrences don't have a say over who can race, Deegan can turn up and race, but he won't get any start money, just like the MXoN!

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soggy wrote:
Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. The event doesn’t need haiden to sell...

Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. 

The event doesn’t need haiden to sell out and he came along so late looking for a payday  the promoters don’t see a benefit in paying him to come race when it would affect there bottom line. 

971_Fan wrote:
It’s not that hard to understand which why I’m a bit baffled by your response. Everything you said is true, but to be clear — the article...

It’s not that hard to understand which why I’m a bit baffled by your response. 

Everything you said is true, but to be clear — the article also states that a part of the reason for denying Haiden the money was because of past comments and interactions with the Deegan’s. 

Let’s not gloss over that. 

When I read ML’s article and got to that part, I instantly knew that would be all guys like you would focus on.

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11/22/2024 5:13pm

So the Lawrence camp really puts the benjamins first and foremost?

Are you saying the Deegans don't?

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Apparently part of the deal with the Lawrence's to do AusX was that the promoters couldn't  bring in Deegan and Anderson to do the race....beginning to...

Apparently part of the deal with the Lawrence's to do AusX was that the promoters couldn't  bring in Deegan and Anderson to do the race....beginning to think that Mirtl is a little bitch...if this is true, and it appears that it is, this is not a good look for Team Lawrence....

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Man surprised you dont think this is hearsay and more "kooksey" garbage.  Just kidding since it goes against your agenda to take your feelings out of...

Man surprised you dont think this is hearsay and more "kooksey" garbage.  Just kidding since it goes against your agenda to take your feelings out of it for deegan. So how does this appear to be true when cooksey never posts anything true? Come on Don take your feelings out of it. Lmfao 

DonM wrote:

I didn't hear it from the Kook....Matthes was talking about it all day yesterday....

You can come back now instead of hiding and admit your strong feelings towards one rider got in the way of facts and the truth. That you just assumed. Might as well admit you watched a cooksey video too since Steve never mentioned Anderson once during any of this. Can just admit you're a hypocrite too while your at it or do we need screenshot proof? No one forgets how you acted towards "zero fact and 100% speculation" in the lacr thread. 

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soggy wrote:
Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. The event doesn’t need haiden to sell...

Yea they denied paying him money. He could still race if he wanted too. It’s not that hard to understand. 

The event doesn’t need haiden to sell out and he came along so late looking for a payday  the promoters don’t see a benefit in paying him to come race when it would affect there bottom line. 

971_Fan wrote:
It’s not that hard to understand which why I’m a bit baffled by your response. Everything you said is true, but to be clear — the article...

It’s not that hard to understand which why I’m a bit baffled by your response. 

Everything you said is true, but to be clear — the article also states that a part of the reason for denying Haiden the money was because of past comments and interactions with the Deegan’s. 

Let’s not gloss over that. 

Yeah.. Almost as if there's a lesson to be learned there.. 

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