Idea to make SMX actual playoffs

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I think the biggest improvement that could be made for smx is to have the playoffs actually be playoffs, and to remove the gimmicky points system, so I had an idea


It would require combining 250/450


Round 1 would be the top 60 riders from both classes. 3 Moto’s, riders only race in 1 Moto


Moto 1 would be 1,4,7,10th qualifiers all the way through the 58th qualifier

Moto 2 would be 2,5,8,11, ending with the 59th qualifier 

Moto 3 would be 3,6,9,12 and ending with the 60th qualifier 

Using 2024 as an example, sexton would race Moto 1, hunter would be in Moto 2, and Haiden would be in Moto 3


the top 14 from each Moto move on to round 2, for the others, you’ve been eliminated from the playoffs 


Round 2

21 riders in the first Moto, the top finishers from each of the round 1 Moto’s. This Moto would be the top 7 riders from each previous round Moto

The second Moto would be made up of the riders that finished 8-14th at the previous round

10 riders from both Moto’s qualify, the 22 riders that didn’t qualify will race the 3rd Moto, essentially an LCQ. Only 2 riders qualify, the 20 non-qualifiers are removed from the playoffs 


The 3rd and final round is a standard triple crown for the finale, winner takes all



In between each Moto they would do what they do now, 65,85,futures 

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11/11/2024 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 3:14pm
I think the biggest improvement that could be made for smx is to have the playoffs actually be playoffs, and to remove the gimmicky points system...

I think the biggest improvement that could be made for smx is to have the playoffs actually be playoffs, and to remove the gimmicky points system, so I had an idea


It would require combining 250/450


Round 1 would be the top 60 riders from both classes. 3 Moto’s, riders only race in 1 Moto


Moto 1 would be 1,4,7,10th qualifiers all the way through the 58th qualifier

Moto 2 would be 2,5,8,11, ending with the 59th qualifier 

Moto 3 would be 3,6,9,12 and ending with the 60th qualifier 

Using 2024 as an example, sexton would race Moto 1, hunter would be in Moto 2, and Haiden would be in Moto 3


the top 14 from each Moto move on to round 2, for the others, you’ve been eliminated from the playoffs 


Round 2

21 riders in the first Moto, the top finishers from each of the round 1 Moto’s. This Moto would be the top 7 riders from each previous round Moto

The second Moto would be made up of the riders that finished 8-14th at the previous round

10 riders from both Moto’s qualify, the 22 riders that didn’t qualify will race the 3rd Moto, essentially an LCQ. Only 2 riders qualify, the 20 non-qualifiers are removed from the playoffs 


The 3rd and final round is a standard triple crown for the finale, winner takes all



In between each Moto they would do what they do now, 65,85,futures 

I’m so confused, and I don’t even know a single part of your post I understood.

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11/11/2024 4:32pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 4:33pm

Alright, let me try to make it more clear


60 riders qualify for round 1 playoff of the smx

Qualifying is based on total season points 

Top 60 combined 250/450 are invited to round 1 of smx


Round 1 will be 3 Moto’s, the catch is that each rider will only race 1 Moto

Meaning, the Moto 1 lineup will be different from the Moto 2 lineup, and Moto 3


The top qualifier from the regular season will race Moto 1, the second qualifier will race the second Moto, and the third qualifier will race the 3rd Moto

14 riders from each Moto will qualify for the second round, 18 riders will be eliminated from the playoffs
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Round 2 will consist of the 42 riders that made it through round 1

Moto 1 and Moto 2 will have different rider lineups, again, the Moto 1 group will not be racing against the Moto 2 group


the top 10 from each Moto will qualify for the finale. 

The 11 riders from Moto 1 and the 11 riders from Moto 2 who did not qualify, will race a 3rd Moto. This is the last chance to make the final round, only 2 riders qualify, the others will not be in the finale


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After 2 rounds of playoffs, of the initial 60 man field, only 22 have made it through the playoffs into the final round


Nothing gimmicky about the final round, 3-Moto format, triple crown style. The winner is the SMX champion.

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11/11/2024 4:37pm

Yeah…We can call it

“Who knows what the fucks going on cross”!

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I’m too drunk to taste this chicken. 

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11/11/2024 4:49pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 4:50pm
Alright, let me try to make it more clear60 riders qualify for round 1 playoff of the smxQualifying is based on total season points Top 60 combined...

Alright, let me try to make it more clear


60 riders qualify for round 1 playoff of the smx

Qualifying is based on total season points 

Top 60 combined 250/450 are invited to round 1 of smx


Round 1 will be 3 Moto’s, the catch is that each rider will only race 1 Moto

Meaning, the Moto 1 lineup will be different from the Moto 2 lineup, and Moto 3


The top qualifier from the regular season will race Moto 1, the second qualifier will race the second Moto, and the third qualifier will race the 3rd Moto

14 riders from each Moto will qualify for the second round, 18 riders will be eliminated from the playoffs
———————


Round 2 will consist of the 42 riders that made it through round 1

Moto 1 and Moto 2 will have different rider lineups, again, the Moto 1 group will not be racing against the Moto 2 group


the top 10 from each Moto will qualify for the finale. 

The 11 riders from Moto 1 and the 11 riders from Moto 2 who did not qualify, will race a 3rd Moto. This is the last chance to make the final round, only 2 riders qualify, the others will not be in the finale


——————


After 2 rounds of playoffs, of the initial 60 man field, only 22 have made it through the playoffs into the final round


Nothing gimmicky about the final round, 3-Moto format, triple crown style. The winner is the SMX champion.

I like it, tweak so there are two motos 

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11/11/2024 6:51pm

I like it and it's actually quite easy to understand, despite the first couple replies.

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11/11/2024 7:04pm

All this shit just to have the same 2-3 riders racing for the win 

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11/11/2024 7:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 7:29pm
zehn wrote:

All this shit just to have the same 2-3 riders racing for the win 

While you are most likely correct, i do think this opens the door for something different 

one crash and Jett could be out of the playoffs 


mixing in the 250 riders could also shake it up

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11/11/2024 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 7:37pm

I get what you're saying, and it's not a bad idea. The only part I really don't like is Round 2's first 2 motos only having 7 guys each. I get your reasoning (make moto 3 closer to a wild card playoff), but unless the track is like the McGrath Invitational track, only 7 guys racing wouldn't be all that fun.

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11/11/2024 7:37pm

Good idea. Not hard to understand really.  I think running only one class is a great idea. 

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11/11/2024 7:41pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 7:42pm
Sully wrote:
I get what you're saying, and it's not a bad idea. The only part I really don't like is Round 2's first 2 motos only having...

I get what you're saying, and it's not a bad idea. The only part I really don't like is Round 2's first 2 motos only having 7 guys each. I get your reasoning (make moto 3 closer to a wild card playoff), but unless the track is like the McGrath Invitational track, only 7 guys racing wouldn't be all that fun.

Whoa not 7 guys  unless my math or explanation was way off


42 guys make it out of round 1

Round 2 has a Moto of 21 guys

A second Moto of 21 different guys

And a 3rd Moto of 22 riders, these are the guys from moto1 and moto2 that finished 11th-21

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11/11/2024 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 11/11/2024 8:08pm

Part of the problem with this idea is that too many riders get injured. This year, they were barely able to get a full field for the last 250SMX race.

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Sully wrote:
I get what you're saying, and it's not a bad idea. The only part I really don't like is Round 2's first 2 motos only having...

I get what you're saying, and it's not a bad idea. The only part I really don't like is Round 2's first 2 motos only having 7 guys each. I get your reasoning (make moto 3 closer to a wild card playoff), but unless the track is like the McGrath Invitational track, only 7 guys racing wouldn't be all that fun.

Whoa not 7 guys  unless my math or explanation was way off42 guys make it out of round 1Round 2 has a Moto of 21 guysA...

Whoa not 7 guys  unless my math or explanation was way off


42 guys make it out of round 1

Round 2 has a Moto of 21 guys

A second Moto of 21 different guys

And a 3rd Moto of 22 riders, these are the guys from moto1 and moto2 that finished 11th-21

I totally misread that then. This makes a lot more sense. 

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11/11/2024 8:45pm

I dont like the fact that if you have one bad moto, you are out.    I doubt the factories or the riders would like it either.   

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11/12/2024 2:15am Edited Date/Time 11/12/2024 2:46am

The easiest way to make smx become the real playoffs would be to just remove the title from sx and mx and only give the title to the guy who wins smx in each class. Thats how actual playoffs work. In the nfl you dont get a championship for being the regular season winner and another title for winning the superbowl, no you get the championship after having a good enough regular season to make it into the playoffs and then making it to the superbowl and winning. Hockey, basketball, baseball are all the same just with a best-of series instead of a single game. 

I’m not saying I want this to happen, I’m just saying that this is what would make it become a real playoff. 

The reason it doesnt feel like a real playoff now is because youre giving away separate titles for series which are longer than smx, making them more important. The point of a playoff is that its supposed to be the most important part of the season. Right now smx is just 1 series out of 3 but the one with the least races. If instead of this its changed so the mx and sx season are only used as the way to get enough points to qualify for smx, and whoever wins that becomes the champion, then you have a real playoff. The fans/feld/the ama/riders…etc are going to have to decide if we want to go in this direction and become a lot more like ofher sports or do we like the system we have been using for so long and want to tf to keep it but with some small tweaks. Well find out in time. 

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Having playoffs is stupid. This is racing not some game. 

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Actually you do get a title for winning the regular season (Division Champion, NFC/AFC Champion). They even hang banners for those un-important titles.

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mxrose3 wrote:
I dont like the fact that if you have one bad moto, you are out.    I doubt the factories or the riders would like it...

I dont like the fact that if you have one bad moto, you are out.    I doubt the factories or the riders would like it either.   

That’s what playoffs are.

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Part of the problem with this idea is that too many riders get injured. This year, they were barely able to get a full field for...

Part of the problem with this idea is that too many riders get injured. This year, they were barely able to get a full field for the last 250SMX race.

how is combining the classes making it a more competitive field to get into worse the how it is now running separate classes?
 

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11/12/2024 1:47pm

Sorry, Zookrider.

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11/12/2024 2:18pm

Or, rather than chasing NASCAR into the toilet, look to series that are gaining popularity instead of losing because of bad gimmicks in place of good racing? 

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Falcon wrote:
Sorry, Zookrider.

Sorry, Zookrider.

playoffs

Sigh


At the final round you end up with 22 riders - only difference is that it’s both 450/250 riders


You end up with the best of the best


Pepe Silva approved

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