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You acting like you've never deleted posts is a lie and you know it. The more you deny it just keeps proving how much you are willing to lie and change your story to try to be right.
I like my ice engine bikes, but I'm all for developing good electric bikes as well. Battery life is really the only thing holding these bikes back. I got my son a Voltaic flying fox at the beginning of the summer. He had a stacyc 16 before but blew up the gear box and tried to continue riding which burned up the motor and ECM. My experience with the electric bikes is they totally increase your riding opportunities. The stacyc was kinda loud with the gearbox and chain, but the Voltaic has a hub drive and is so quiet I can't hear it until he's within 5ft of me. I know it's frowned upon, but when I go mountain biking he rides the Voltaic on the trails with me. I've come across many other bikers and so far they just think it's awesome. I also let him rip around the yard on it with zero issues from the neighbors. I know there's some people out there that complain about anyone having a good time, but the bikes being so quiet really cuts down on the amount of people that notice him riding. He also has a xr70 clone and actually wants to ride it more, but him bouncing it off the rev limiter would definitely get the neighbors upset.
Plenty of people know who Trevor is. Dude is an absolute animal off-road and hauls ass. Just have to venture out of the MX/SX world. He is a very interesting cat.
Rider you never heard of? Go crawl back under that rock.
Funny when idiots like you think they’re really doing something with a post like this, only to look stupid and irrelevant.
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Hmm Trevor Stewart? What has he won in AMA Pro Racing? He may be a great guy and rider, just never heard of him. I’ve heard of Josh Hill, Justin Bogle, Taddy Blazusiak (sp), and Beagle.
I could be mistaken on the "multiple" aspect but I'm pretty certain he's a multiple time NGPC and WORCS Champion.....WORCS is the series that Shorty got his ass kicked in for a few years when he tried off road so it's not a bunch of slouches. NGPC is a West Coast based off road series that is supported by the Factories and has a heavy moto influence.
He's also always upfront at these "big" moto events in So Cal, I'm certain he's won the 2 Stroke World Championships at least once.
Dudes legit, could easily qualify and likely score points at a National Moto race I would think.
It's wild that you've been on this site for 15 years and have never heard of him.
Every dealership I've been in for the past 3 years has had brand new 2strokes, 4 strokes and Electric bikes. Ive got all 3 in my garage. There's more buyer choice than ever.
So, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki now have 2T MXers on the floor alongside their 4T MXers (as well as woods bikes) so I can choose which one I want to race in that class, just like I see at a Yamaha dealership? I must have missed that around here. Well, hallelujah! I stand corrected!
I'm obviously being facetious, but that's my point - 3 of the Big 4 dropped them because of lack of demand from racers, which was totally due to a rule change that rendered them uncompetitive in their class. Models that had existed for decades suddenly disappeared, leaving the consumer with less choices... and mainly just more expensive ones were in their place. We don't need to go down that road again, because this time the result might be you no longer being able to buy 2 of the 3 platforms you said you currently own. You don't "grow a sport" by making it more expensive.
As Pro racing goes, so goes product lines.
Kawasaki and Suzuki both still have 2T. If you want a big boy 2 stroke you can have your pick of 125, 150, 250, and 300 in 3 differen colors. If you're stuck in time and want the exact same bike from 20 years ago, Yamaha has you covered. You can get XC bikes, enduro, moto, supermoto, dual sport, or adventure. And, like I said I can go to 4 different dealers within an hour and find all 3 motor platforms. There are more brands than ever selling bikes and more different types of bikes.
"The big 4" are not your only options.
I didn't say they were and maybe you're missing the point I was making in this thread - that the race-governing bodies don't need to try to come up with some sort of "perfomance-balancing" formula to let e-bikes and ICE bikes compete in the same class. They tried that and the result was 2-strokes being artificially obsoleted from professional MX racing. Let them race in their own classes and let the riders choose what they prefer - not what they have to ride to be competitive.
And I realize all those bikes are available - but you could possibly add KXs, RMs and CRs to that list - with an additional 20 years of development - if they hadn't been legislated out of existence. So, as big as the list currently is, it would be even bigger. Which means you have less choices than you could have if they hadn't fouled things up.
But again, that wasn't my main point, just me pointing out the result of what they did the first time and my desire to not see it happen again. Hope that clarifies things.
No, that wasn't your point. You said... "That's my point - they already eliminated 2Ts (intentionally), that's why I said, "let's not try to eliminate classes and buyer choices in the process of creating another one."
And I responded to that and proved you wrong. AMA rules did.not eliminate two strokes or limit buyer choice. And I gave you evidence that we have more choices than ever.. Honda doesn't make two strokes as a strategic business decision. Not because the AMA made a rule. So, if you want a two stroke, stop yelling at the clouds, take your business to a brand that cares about your demographic, and go buy one.
Welp, I spent all this time typing out a lengthy reply to clarify/explain only to have the site blink and lose it all. Don't have the time or desire to do it again so I'll simply say this - go back to the beginning of my posts, starting with my comments to L2S and read them all. It's not about me wanting to buy a 2-stroke - I've got over 30 bikes spanning about 40 model years, consisting of 2 and 4 strokes, MX woods, DS and street. I have what I want (and definitely more than I need). It's about not making the same mistakes that resulted in specific models falling out of favor due to being put at a competive disadvantage as a result of a rules change. If the same mistake is repeated and results in 4-strokes no longer being offered, I don't see how that adds up to more choices. Create new classes if needed but don't mix them like was done before; we saw how that played out.
In summary -
Mixed platforms classes: bad
More consumer choices: good
G'night
The "governing bodies" and 3 of the big 4 killed 2t by skewed rules and not producing 2t or supporting 2t racing. This is not new news.
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