Stark Is Having A 20% Off Sale

10/16/2024 4:10pm
wr74 wrote:

Maybe Honda is close to releasing the electric CR ?

After only one professional motocross race!

After only one professional motocross race!

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Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying...

Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying, it could happen..  LOL.

My money is still on Suzuki to win that race, they announced long ago their intentions to go electric, their dirtbike segment has been stagnant for years, they are still sponsoring MX races proving they are not going anywhere, they have well-kept secrets coming I am telling you.  I hope I am wrong, that is the one brand I do not want (sorry guys, I do not like yellow).

Honda historically has used MXGP and the All Japan Championships to test prototypes, preproduction bikes have traditionally been raced the full season before production release.

Stark is/was a startup, they don't have a history, so could do whatever they want.

I'll take that bet on Suzuki winning the race, easy money!

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After only one professional motocross race!

After only one professional motocross race!

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Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying...

Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying, it could happen..  LOL.

My money is still on Suzuki to win that race, they announced long ago their intentions to go electric, their dirtbike segment has been stagnant for years, they are still sponsoring MX races proving they are not going anywhere, they have well-kept secrets coming I am telling you.  I hope I am wrong, that is the one brand I do not want (sorry guys, I do not like yellow).

Honda historically has used MXGP and the All Japan Championships to test prototypes, preproduction bikes have traditionally been raced the full season before production release.Stark is/was...

Honda historically has used MXGP and the All Japan Championships to test prototypes, preproduction bikes have traditionally been raced the full season before production release.

Stark is/was a startup, they don't have a history, so could do whatever they want.

I'll take that bet on Suzuki winning the race, easy money!

I know what you mean, but those were all ICE bikes, this is definitely different as they probably would not be allowed to race an e-bike in most of those series' (exception for Japan).  It will be interesting to see if they bring anything to any of the Japanese races again this winter though, I hope they do.

I guess in hindsight, if Stark is putting bikes on sale because sales are starting to flatten/fade, maybe the big 5 are just scratching their chins to see what happens?  If someone makes a white, green, or red one (in that order), I will be fighting for a spot in line to buy one.

10/16/2024 5:52pm
Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying...

Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying, it could happen..  LOL.

My money is still on Suzuki to win that race, they announced long ago their intentions to go electric, their dirtbike segment has been stagnant for years, they are still sponsoring MX races proving they are not going anywhere, they have well-kept secrets coming I am telling you.  I hope I am wrong, that is the one brand I do not want (sorry guys, I do not like yellow).

Honda historically has used MXGP and the All Japan Championships to test prototypes, preproduction bikes have traditionally been raced the full season before production release.Stark is/was...

Honda historically has used MXGP and the All Japan Championships to test prototypes, preproduction bikes have traditionally been raced the full season before production release.

Stark is/was a startup, they don't have a history, so could do whatever they want.

I'll take that bet on Suzuki winning the race, easy money!

I know what you mean, but those were all ICE bikes, this is definitely different as they probably would not be allowed to race an e-bike...

I know what you mean, but those were all ICE bikes, this is definitely different as they probably would not be allowed to race an e-bike in most of those series' (exception for Japan).  It will be interesting to see if they bring anything to any of the Japanese races again this winter though, I hope they do.

I guess in hindsight, if Stark is putting bikes on sale because sales are starting to flatten/fade, maybe the big 5 are just scratching their chins to see what happens?  If someone makes a white, green, or red one (in that order), I will be fighting for a spot in line to buy one.

The only reason any company decreases price is to increase demand, Stark's ability to supply must be meeting or exceeding the demand.

Stark has set the benchmark for power and range, the OEMs will have to match that benchmark, that may take some time.

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10/16/2024 6:10pm
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So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were...

So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were going for not long ago.

 

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

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10/16/2024 6:17pm
LungButter wrote:
So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were...

So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were going for not long ago.

 

TDC wrote:

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

KTM is having issues...

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KTM is having issues...

KTM is having issues...

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Yup, as a new biz plan, I guess they'll be focusing on small displacement street bikes for the developing countries near India.

10/16/2024 6:43pm
KTM is having issues...

KTM is having issues...

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Yup, as a new biz plan, I guess they'll be focusing on small displacement street bikes for the developing countries near India.

KTM's bean counters are focused on cost cutting...

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KTM is having issues...

KTM is having issues...

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Yup, as a new biz plan, I guess they'll be focusing on small displacement street bikes for the developing countries near India.

KTM's bean counters are focused on cost cutting...

KTM's bean counters are focused on cost cutting...

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I guess the Austrian rumor of a new 360cc TBI in development may not make it to market. The last chance for a proper big bore to see production.

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I've been on the fence to get a Stark for a while now but never pulled the trigger. Thanks to this thread making me aware of...

I've been on the fence to get a Stark for a while now but never pulled the trigger. Thanks to this thread making me aware of the little discount they rolled out, I should have a grey 80HP Varg in my garage within the next 10 days. 

I earn a living in the oil & gas industry and love race fuel, but it's hard to beat the power curve of an electric engine. I am excited to get my hands on this thing!

I sent off Suspension to Race Tech and the bike is probably the closest to a factory ride I’ll ever get. Completely unreal how it handles in corners.

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Going out of business..

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Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply. It's not a good look for Stark when they are starting to cut prices this early in the game...I guess everyone who wanted a Varg already has one.

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10/16/2024 9:29pm
LungButter wrote:
So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were...

So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were going for not long ago.

 

TDC wrote:

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

KTM is having issues...

KTM is having issues...

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Dam what happened? You would think PMG would be killing it financially seeing all the Austrian bikes at the track..

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10/16/2024 10:45pm
philG wrote:
And in other news ,the company that made all the bikes for MotoE has gone in to liquidation. The race that nobody watches, or can name...

And in other news ,the company that made all the bikes for MotoE has gone in to liquidation. The race that nobody watches, or can name any of the riders in, despite being on the MotoGP card. 

Ducati has gone to liquidation? Someone should tell Audi.

From 2023 the MotoE bikes are made by Ducati. They are not great or fun to watch or make any sense but i bet they are better than the italian-shed-made bikes they had before. Just saying. 😁

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KTM's bean counters are focused on cost cutting...

KTM's bean counters are focused on cost cutting...

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Oh yeah... cost cutting and owning MV Agusta goes always well together... like sodium and water... 😁

10/16/2024 11:16pm
LungButter wrote:
So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were...

So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were going for not long ago.

 

TDC wrote:

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

Next model year?

I can't see anything other than controller updates for years.

This 20% price reduction may come at the cost of light weight components?

10/17/2024 1:35am
TDC wrote:

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

KTM is having issues...

KTM is having issues...

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Dam what happened? You would think PMG would be killing it financially seeing all the Austrian bikes at the track..

Sales and profit went down, debt went up...

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10/17/2024 4:08am
KTM is having issues...

KTM is having issues...

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Dam what happened? You would think PMG would be killing it financially seeing all the Austrian bikes at the track..

Sales and profit went down, debt went up...

Sales and profit went down, debt went up...

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10/17/2024 6:14am

Dam what happened? You would think PMG would be killing it financially seeing all the Austrian bikes at the track..

Sales and profit went down, debt went up...

Sales and profit went down, debt went up...

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Someones pet project, it happens all the time in large companies.

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Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply...

Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply. It's not a good look for Stark when they are starting to cut prices this early in the game...I guess everyone who wanted a Varg already has one.

This early in the game?  They’ve been out for a couple years now.  What does it say about kawi putting discounts on new models 4 months after they are released?

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LungButter wrote:
So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were...

So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were going for not long ago.

 

TDC wrote:

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

Next model year?

I can't see anything other than controller updates for years.

This 20% price reduction may come at the cost of light weight components?

They could make chassis, suspension and ergo revisions. Though by most accounts they seemed to have nailed that part.  

 

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10/17/2024 7:33am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2024 7:39am
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I sent off Suspension to Race Tech and the bike is probably the closest to a factory ride I’ll ever get. Completely unreal how it handles...

I sent off Suspension to Race Tech and the bike is probably the closest to a factory ride I’ll ever get. Completely unreal how it handles in corners.

Great to hear, thanks for chiming in. I'm really excited to feel how it handles in corners and how it will feel in the air. The top whip guys have gone to the next level with these bikes, I can't wait to toss this this girl around. 

Do the guys at Race Tech have a fair amount of testing time on the Stark? I was planning to send mine to Enzo since they are the KYB gurus, but I'm curious if any company has poured a ton of time in to testing on the Stark specifically. 

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2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power...

2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power, looked great , but made one appearance. 

LungButter wrote:

That's a bummer to hear they won't work for something that 99.99% of dirt bike owners will never do.  😘

But we buy MX bikes to convert all the time, and they never fail. 

Its actually one of the things it should be ideal for, with short and relatively clean races, but it wouldnt do 12 +1 without ending up on its arse . And if it cant do that, what else wont it do?

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Josh422 wrote:
I sent off Suspension to Race Tech and the bike is probably the closest to a factory ride I’ll ever get. Completely unreal how it handles...

I sent off Suspension to Race Tech and the bike is probably the closest to a factory ride I’ll ever get. Completely unreal how it handles in corners.

Kyle978 wrote:
Great to hear, thanks for chiming in. I'm really excited to feel how it handles in corners and how it will feel in the air. The...

Great to hear, thanks for chiming in. I'm really excited to feel how it handles in corners and how it will feel in the air. The top whip guys have gone to the next level with these bikes, I can't wait to toss this this girl around. 

Do the guys at Race Tech have a fair amount of testing time on the Stark? I was planning to send mine to Enzo since they are the KYB gurus, but I'm curious if any company has poured a ton of time in to testing on the Stark specifically. 

I rode the bike twice stock and then someone else’s to compare. Mine was unreasonably stiff. I’ve always had Race Tech set me up and they had just wrapped up testing for their baseline settings. Big difference, totally happy with the result.

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10/17/2024 9:36am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2024 12:00pm
philG wrote:
But we buy MX bikes to convert all the time, and they never fail. Its actually one of the things it should be ideal for, with short...

But we buy MX bikes to convert all the time, and they never fail. 

Its actually one of the things it should be ideal for, with short and relatively clean races, but it wouldnt do 12 +1 without ending up on its arse . And if it cant do that, what else wont it do?

Other things it won't do: Baja, Dakar...

Seriously, it's expected that Supermoto and deep sand are weak spots for electrics, thermal management is more of an issue in any context requiring high and sustained loads.

We'll see how much they can improve that with the incoming Supermoto. A little extra weight to integrate battery cooling might be more acceptable than for MX?

10/17/2024 10:59am
TDC wrote:

Inflation adjusted, that's prolly 1990's pricing!

Surely they will be cutting production numbers dramatically for the next model year.

Next model year?

I can't see anything other than controller updates for years.

This 20% price reduction may come at the cost of light weight components?

soggy wrote:

They could make chassis, suspension and ergo revisions. Though by most accounts they seemed to have nailed that part.  

 

Yep, just like Honda when the released the 1974 CR125.

10/17/2024 12:00pm
Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply...

Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply. It's not a good look for Stark when they are starting to cut prices this early in the game...I guess everyone who wanted a Varg already has one.

soggy wrote:
This early in the game?  They’ve been out for a couple years now.  What does it say about kawi putting discounts on new models 4 months...

This early in the game?  They’ve been out for a couple years now.  What does it say about kawi putting discounts on new models 4 months after they are released?

Exactly, how long has each manufacturer been around?

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10/17/2024 12:42pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2024 12:43pm
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New KTM freeride E presented tomorrow (gen 1 released in 2014, gen 2 in 2017). I doubt it would be competitive with the Varg, it's a...

New KTM freeride E presented tomorrow (gen 1 released in 2014, gen 2 in 2017). I doubt it would be competitive with the Varg, it's a different market (trail/beginner bike) but hopefully they'll prove me wrong.

By the way 2017 was also the year when Honda revealed its electric prototype. I hope they're about getting ready to release it, that was such a looooong time ago!

And just for the fun of it, I'll bet Ducati releases an electric MX bike before Suzuki 🤣

Larry450 wrote:

Rumours are 5.54kw battery and 26-32 horsepower.

Great divination powers, Freeride E 2025 is indeed 5.54 kWh and 26 hp.

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Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. We still had electricity though so charging her car was...

Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. 

We still had electricity though so charging her car was easy. 

Not that I’m a fan of electric cars, but during that time they shined 

philG wrote:

But what if the power went out?  Or they turned it off. 

Dude....you're the fly in the electric buzz.....don't do that.

😂

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Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply...

Many have said it, you really only cut pricing when demand is slow. You cut more pricing when demand is slow and you have excess supply. It's not a good look for Stark when they are starting to cut prices this early in the game...I guess everyone who wanted a Varg already has one.

soggy wrote:
This early in the game?  They’ve been out for a couple years now.  What does it say about kawi putting discounts on new models 4 months...

This early in the game?  They’ve been out for a couple years now.  What does it say about kawi putting discounts on new models 4 months after they are released?

Exactly, how long has each manufacturer been around?

They discount their bikes every year…

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