Is Putin America's friend or enemy?

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John McCain was right...

Russia is not our friend.

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I’m not sure how many signs people have to see to see this man hates America and everything it stands for. His 60 dollar bibles he’s selling were made in China. “America First” was always a con. He’s done that his entire life. People still fall for it. 

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I’m not sure how many signs people have to see to see this man hates America and everything it stands for. His 60 dollar bibles he’s...

I’m not sure how many signs people have to see to see this man hates America and everything it stands for. His 60 dollar bibles he’s selling were made in China. “America First” was always a con. He’s done that his entire life. People still fall for it. 

Thank You....

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enketchum wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-reports-donald-trump-sent-vladimir-putin-covid-tests

What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline you like but leaves off the source context?

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enketchum wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-reports-donald-trump-sent-vladimir-putin-covid-tests

Didn't you guys spend the better part of the last decade saying Russia sabotaged the 2016 election by flooding social media with disinformation? 

But now you're sharing some story put out by the Kremlin? That seems counterintuitive, somehow. 

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enketchum wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-reports-donald-trump-sent-vladimir-putin-covid-tests
Titan1 wrote:
What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline...

What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline you like but leaves off the source context?

Because a link alone would not drive engagement? Is this the first time you're hearing about this? 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-report…

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10/10/2024 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2024 3:15am
enketchum wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-reports-donald-trump-sent-vladimir-putin-covid-tests
Titan1 wrote:
What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline...

What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline you like but leaves off the source context?

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enketchum wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-reports-donald-trump-sent-vladimir-putin-covid-tests
vet323 wrote:
Didn't you guys spend the better part of the last decade saying Russia sabotaged the 2016 election by flooding social media with disinformation? But now you're sharing...

Didn't you guys spend the better part of the last decade saying Russia sabotaged the 2016 election by flooding social media with disinformation? 

But now you're sharing some story put out by the Kremlin? That seems counterintuitive, somehow. 

Boom!


They trust the kremlin when it supports their narrative…but don’t when it doesn’t.  Typical…

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enketchum wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-reports-donald-trump-sent-vladimir-putin-covid-tests
Titan1 wrote:
What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline...

What is the source of that article?  Why not just post a link to the article, rather than a screen shot which conveniently has a headline you like but leaves off the source context?

enketchum wrote:

Because a link alone would not drive engagement? Is this the first time you're hearing about this? 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/10/kremlin-confirms-report…

I just found it curious that you’d post a headline with no source is all…it appeared you were embarrassed of the source…

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This thread is almost as stupid as the starlink thread.

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Meh. We have bigger threats stateside to worry about. 
 

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Let`s hope you guys regain sanity after election. Fingers crossed.

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Let`s hope you guys regain sanity after election. Fingers crossed.

Don't hold your breath.

This was posted without irony...

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Looks like the marsupial is picking up some of the peanut butter cup's stalking tactics. 

 

Creepy as fuck.

But hey,  he shits in cubes.

That's gotta hurt.

No wonder he posts like he has terminal red ass.

 

Seriously boy, you're about as lame as anyone I've ever seen on any forum.

And considering here you have competition from the the manifestoboy, that's saying a lot.

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Looks like the marsupial is picking up some of the peanut butter cup's stalking tactics.  Creepy as fuck.But hey,  he shits in cubes.That's gotta hurt.No wonder he...

Looks like the marsupial is picking up some of the peanut butter cup's stalking tactics. 

 

Creepy as fuck.

But hey,  he shits in cubes.

That's gotta hurt.

No wonder he posts like he has terminal red ass.

 

Seriously boy, you're about as lame as anyone I've ever seen on any forum.

And considering here you have competition from the the manifestoboy, that's saying a lot.

You have some serious anger issues, you should see somebody about that.

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Will the 5 voters who chose friend like to share their opinions? 

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10/13/2024 4:24pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2024 4:26pm

The left: I'm all in favor of the united States sending a trillion dollars to Ukraine ,putin can not be trusted.

Also the left: Putin said something that would decrease the chances of trump winning the election. We must not question what he says.

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The left: I'm all in favor of the united States sending a trillion dollars to Ukraine ,putin can not be trusted.Also the left: Putin said something...

The left: I'm all in favor of the united States sending a trillion dollars to Ukraine ,putin can not be trusted.

Also the left: Putin said something that would decrease the chances of trump winning the election. We must not question what he says.

Bob Woodward wrote it. Russia confirmed it. What's your problem with that? 

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Bay of Pigs had some interesting frenemy moments. 

 

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The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or so. That Putin controls a nuclear arsenal that includes continent killing nuclear subs each carrying more destructive force than all the weapons used in WW2 combined should dictate policy towards that country more than political doctrine. We share no borders with Russia, do not compete with them economically or industrially in any magnitude, do not have huge ethnic or religious differences, our sole reasons for this long-lasting mortal struggle are mostly political ideology. Is that any reason for the entire planet to be at the cusp and precipice of annihilation ever presently? We need to find peace with these people at all costs, our children need this, the human race needs this. Make no mistake we are at war with them now, our radar in Poland tracks Russian soldiers for their enemies, we supply and fund their enemies, we are making Russia an enemy of ours for generations. The nuclear question is not going away. Putin, though labeled a murdering zealot, has shown control over the genie we released from the bottle for now. Anyone who wishes he be removed, or if he is removed, God help humanity with who replaces him. We are talking about a people who lost one in five citizens in a war not too long ago historically. A people who had to amass 500 divisions to defend itself and has had hostile boots on its home soil repeatedly, our country has no way to comprehend those people's perspectives.

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The left: I'm all in favor of the united States sending a trillion dollars to Ukraine ,putin can not be trusted.Also the left: Putin said something...

The left: I'm all in favor of the united States sending a trillion dollars to Ukraine ,putin can not be trusted.

Also the left: Putin said something that would decrease the chances of trump winning the election. We must not question what he says.

enketchum wrote:

Bob Woodward wrote it. Russia confirmed it. What's your problem with that? 

Bob Woodward wrote that Trump sent testing equipment (not kits) to Putin personally, then Putin called him and said “don’t tell anyone because then they’ll be mad at you.” Meanwhile, the type of equipment that Trump allegedly sent was readily available in Russia and could have been easily sourced domestically. It’s a really dumb story to begin with. 

Then the Russians saw this and thought “look at these idiots believing this dumb story. Let’s fuck with them and release a public story confirming it.” Then the same people who spent 2 years on the hunt for “Russiian interference” readily succumb to obvious Russian interference in an election. 



 

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We have much more dangerous enemies much closer to home.

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Spoonguy wrote:
The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or...

The real question should be are we Putin's friend or enemy. We have done some real shitty things to Russia over the past 100 years or so. That Putin controls a nuclear arsenal that includes continent killing nuclear subs each carrying more destructive force than all the weapons used in WW2 combined should dictate policy towards that country more than political doctrine. We share no borders with Russia, do not compete with them economically or industrially in any magnitude, do not have huge ethnic or religious differences, our sole reasons for this long-lasting mortal struggle are mostly political ideology. Is that any reason for the entire planet to be at the cusp and precipice of annihilation ever presently? We need to find peace with these people at all costs, our children need this, the human race needs this. Make no mistake we are at war with them now, our radar in Poland tracks Russian soldiers for their enemies, we supply and fund their enemies, we are making Russia an enemy of ours for generations. The nuclear question is not going away. Putin, though labeled a murdering zealot, has shown control over the genie we released from the bottle for now. Anyone who wishes he be removed, or if he is removed, God help humanity with who replaces him. We are talking about a people who lost one in five citizens in a war not too long ago historically. A people who had to amass 500 divisions to defend itself and has had hostile boots on its home soil repeatedly, our country has no way to comprehend those people's perspectives.

Lots of big words, no substance at all. Russians laughing their asses off how their money is well spent.

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Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the lefts narrative, or is even remotely positive about Russia...is ALWAYS propaganda.  Is that the litmus test for info about Russia? 

And why is the left pro-Ukraine aid...but anti-Israel?  Seems weird that jews were the untouchable demographic, then all the sudden antisemitism became mainstream and it was controversial to support the Jews suddenly...what gives on that as well? 

I'll admit I don't trust the media...so I'm out of the loop on all of these issues. I think its wrong for any country (Russia or Iran) to invade another...but I'm also tired of putting all the seemingly endless foreign aid on the credit card by great grandchildren will be forced to carry, to bail these countries out when we have our own issues at here (mostly the national debt)...so I have a hard time supporting the role that America plays in both countries (Israel and Ukraine).  Have I fallen victim to Russian propaganda (that I've never seen because I'm not on social media and I don't watch the news all that much) because I'm questioning America's involvement in that war?   

 

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Titan1 wrote:
Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the...

Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the lefts narrative, or is even remotely positive about Russia...is ALWAYS propaganda.  Is that the litmus test for info about Russia? 

And why is the left pro-Ukraine aid...but anti-Israel?  Seems weird that jews were the untouchable demographic, then all the sudden antisemitism became mainstream and it was controversial to support the Jews suddenly...what gives on that as well? 

I'll admit I don't trust the media...so I'm out of the loop on all of these issues. I think its wrong for any country (Russia or Iran) to invade another...but I'm also tired of putting all the seemingly endless foreign aid on the credit card by great grandchildren will be forced to carry, to bail these countries out when we have our own issues at here (mostly the national debt)...so I have a hard time supporting the role that America plays in both countries (Israel and Ukraine).  Have I fallen victim to Russian propaganda (that I've never seen because I'm not on social media and I don't watch the news all that much) because I'm questioning America's involvement in that war?   

 

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?


Makes your person look bad - fake news

Makes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himself

Makes your person look good, written by a non-good person - look past the writer, the message is correct!

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Titan1 wrote:
Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the...

Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the lefts narrative, or is even remotely positive about Russia...is ALWAYS propaganda.  Is that the litmus test for info about Russia? 

And why is the left pro-Ukraine aid...but anti-Israel?  Seems weird that jews were the untouchable demographic, then all the sudden antisemitism became mainstream and it was controversial to support the Jews suddenly...what gives on that as well? 

I'll admit I don't trust the media...so I'm out of the loop on all of these issues. I think its wrong for any country (Russia or Iran) to invade another...but I'm also tired of putting all the seemingly endless foreign aid on the credit card by great grandchildren will be forced to carry, to bail these countries out when we have our own issues at here (mostly the national debt)...so I have a hard time supporting the role that America plays in both countries (Israel and Ukraine).  Have I fallen victim to Russian propaganda (that I've never seen because I'm not on social media and I don't watch the news all that much) because I'm questioning America's involvement in that war?   

 

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?Makes your person look bad - fake newsMakes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himselfMakes...

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?


Makes your person look bad - fake news

Makes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himself

Makes your person look good, written by a non-good person - look past the writer, the message is correct!

Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left that is calling anything about Russia they don't agree with Russian propaganda...

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Isn’t that every news story for both sides?Makes your person look bad - fake newsMakes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himselfMakes...

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?


Makes your person look bad - fake news

Makes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himself

Makes your person look good, written by a non-good person - look past the writer, the message is correct!

How about if people just thought for themselves and didn't just blindly follow a "person/team/cult" ??

What an idea.....

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Isn’t that every news story for both sides?Makes your person look bad - fake newsMakes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himselfMakes...

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?


Makes your person look bad - fake news

Makes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himself

Makes your person look good, written by a non-good person - look past the writer, the message is correct!

LungButter wrote:

How about if people just thought for themselves and didn't just blindly follow a "person/team/cult" ??

What an idea.....

No fun in that

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Titan1 wrote:
Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the...

Can someone help me understand when something about Russia is Russian propaganda and when its factual?  It seems anything about Russia that doesn't align with the lefts narrative, or is even remotely positive about Russia...is ALWAYS propaganda.  Is that the litmus test for info about Russia? 

And why is the left pro-Ukraine aid...but anti-Israel?  Seems weird that jews were the untouchable demographic, then all the sudden antisemitism became mainstream and it was controversial to support the Jews suddenly...what gives on that as well? 

I'll admit I don't trust the media...so I'm out of the loop on all of these issues. I think its wrong for any country (Russia or Iran) to invade another...but I'm also tired of putting all the seemingly endless foreign aid on the credit card by great grandchildren will be forced to carry, to bail these countries out when we have our own issues at here (mostly the national debt)...so I have a hard time supporting the role that America plays in both countries (Israel and Ukraine).  Have I fallen victim to Russian propaganda (that I've never seen because I'm not on social media and I don't watch the news all that much) because I'm questioning America's involvement in that war?   

 

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?Makes your person look bad - fake newsMakes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himselfMakes...

Isn’t that every news story for both sides?


Makes your person look bad - fake news

Makes your person look good - God almighty wrote that article himself

Makes your person look good, written by a non-good person - look past the writer, the message is correct!

Titan1 wrote:
Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left...

Calling it "fake news", sure, both sides are guilty of that...I'll give you that...but fake news is different than calling something "russian propaganda"...And its the left that is calling anything about Russia they don't agree with Russian propaganda...

Aren’t there comments in this thread saying it’s Russian propaganda 


Fake news, propaganda, photoshopped, whatever you want to call, doesn’t make a difference, the gist of it you shouldn’t believe it

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