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First of all wanna say thanks to Tomac, Webb and Plessinger for making this years MXoN a success for USA! After that showing I found myself asking if the Motocross gap between the USA and the Europeans is closing? Will not say the riders we sent aren’t great riders but this team isn’t sent if our Top guys don’t get hurt. Have the Europeans lost their advantage?
The guys did great. Let’s enjoy it and leave it at that 🙄. This thread will turn into a shit show really quickly
Well it’s clear that the fastest rider on the planet rides in the US right now at least.
You never ‘left’. Talent just ebbs and flows and series will swing between strengths, it’s all part of how it goes. With Deegan, Sexton and the likes of Hymas coming through you’ll be competitive for the next ten years just like Australia, Belgium et al.
It seems as before Tomac set the standard on speed and no one was close a few years back, I think Jett and Sexton raised it and it brought everyone else with them on this side of the pond.
It’s crazy to think you throw all these guys in a race and any of them can win.
Gajser
Jett
Herlings
Tomac
Sexton
Prado
Hunter
Febvre
I may have missed a guy or two as well…
This is probably the deepest MX has ever been as far as talent and speed.
Who knows what deegan and coenen does on a 450 their rookie year as well…
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They never left, MxDN results mean next to nothing when it comes to it.
America never left.
Hymas is as fast as he gonna get
It’s only two years since the US won, what you on about?
There was a time when our weakest link riders finished in the top 5. in 2007, our weakest rider finished 2nd and 4th.
Nowadays, our weakest link riders get 12th to 16th.
Been a lot of talk about how the US has forgone the motocross discipline to accommodate Supercross and that has benefited the Europeans who train solely on Motocross year round. Yes the Americans won on American soil 2 years ago with the best possible team we could send, but this year was different as we sent a team that was not as strong and it was on a track they are not familiar with. Just think it is impressive what our boys were able to show, and it may be indicative of the strength that American riders still have. Made this post for the sake of conversation is all!
Gasjer?
Awesome take! It is an exciting time for Motocross.
Am so tired of this stupid argument. America never left. The Europeans aren't "losing their advantage" because they never had one.
You guys are basing this argument over a single race, where one of their riders came over during the peak of his career, with absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain, rode balls out and went 1-1.
But everyone immediately forgets that a few weeks later in Florida tomac goes 1-3
Oh, and forgets tomac went 1-1 against the entire mxgp field at glen Helen in 2016.
And JOSH GRANT went 1-1 against entire mxgp field at glen Helen in 2015
But apparently with motocross fans you're only as good as your last race.. everyone forgets this is motocross and both mxgp and ama guys are neck and neck. No one has an advantage just because ONE rider from one side or another dominates from time to time
Why are you so angry?
To say America never lost an advantage is idiotic, we most certainly did. All of the examples you quoted were Americans beating Europeans on American tracks. Not really indicative of the amount of talent in each field of riders.
It feels like a Mxgp with 3 Americans. MXGP and the AMA should race head to head. MX and SX!!!
JG at GH is like Herlings at Lommel
They're probably more basing it on the US not winning des Nations for like 12 years (before 2022) but sure..
I'll agree with most in here though they didn't go anywhere it's just the two series' are closer than some people wanna admit.. All it takes is one or two riders to be better then it sways
Pit Row
Cool story bro
I don't think there'd be much mxgp competition left after 17 rounds of SX...
I remember when US dominance was blamed on the fact that they raced sx. Now it’s the reason they don’t win to some. Main thing is the GP riders learned the newer style of riding and perfected it on their turf through the 2000’s. Watching the GP riders in the 90’s early 2000’s was cringy. Now they look as good as anyone on a bike. Playing field is even. Completely on display today. So fun to watch!
5 of the 6 riders on the top two teams at the mxdn, all race full time in America…American motocross is looking pretty solid as far as I can tell.
I think this outgoing generation of MXGP riders was a hair faster-as a whole-than the outgoing generation of ama riders…but I think this upcoming ama generation is going to be better than this upcoming MXGP generation…
Nailed it.
Never left my guy.
That's why all the elites are coming over here to race🇺🇸
What about Justin cooper in assen, Anderson in Italy, Barca in France. All moto wins by Americans on foreign soil. Mxgp and ama guys have been neck and neck for ages now, sometimes ama guys have good motos sometimes mxgp guys do, I’ve personally never thought either side was substantially better, both sides rip and over the last 15 years the moto wins and stats of ama vs mxgp finishes at the very rare occasions of overlapping show that.
These are fair points, I am a dirtbike racing fan. As such, I believe that the Europeans have held a substantial speed advantage on Americans specifically in rough, shitty motocross conditions over the last few years. But what I saw today was awesome because I witnessed some dudes, who last minute, went to a foreign land and made a push to beat the best the world has to offer. I was stoked, and asked the question to start this post.
Supercross was initially an advantage because it taught Americans to treat races like a sprint. Americans would go all out for a full moto, where Europeans treated motos more like an endurance race. It may have also helped that SX only ran a single class, so all the best Americans were racing eachother, instead of being split into 3 different classes. Seriously, 80's Supercross mains were STACKED.
Supercross is a disadvantage now because the tracks have evolved to be significantly different from a motocross track, and Supercross has become much bigger than the Nationals. Meaning, teams and riders spend more time developing their skills and bike setups around Supercross.
Just enjoy the motocross and stop with this shit , America will always have good riders , so will Europe and the Aussies for a while now , the fact there’s that many top guys from around the world is a blessing , get over the rivalry crap , Eli and the Lawrence’s showed why US is a top series and Tim and the Europeans showed why Mxgp is so good , it’s a blessing to see them all on the same track !
There's rarely much sx competition left after 17 rounds of sx..
Sir, I’m not sure you understand that Rivalries are what make sports great.
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