What takes MX to the next level?

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5/24/2010 6:32pm
TeamGreen wrote:
A Promoter/Promoter group focused on growing and improving the events and venues. Better/Continuously improving TV pkgs. A well focused and well enforced Rules pkg/continuously improving sanctioning...
A Promoter/Promoter group focused on growing and improving the events and venues.

Better/Continuously improving TV pkgs.

A well focused and well enforced Rules pkg/continuously improving sanctioning system.

Utilizing Sponsors that help the Sport gain broader exposure/contribute to Cross-Marketing.

In other-words...the very same track that the Nationals are on.

I'm jus' sayin'...
wow you really think these guys will buy into all those reasonable sugestions? maybe!
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5/24/2010 6:34pm
Torco1 wrote:
Have the WMA riders race topless on a whoop-dee-doo only track.
Topless wrestling matches for gate pics too.
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level wrote:
You have seen Nascar progress with lead lap, spoilers, etc. They are always looking to make things better for the racers and the fans. So, what...
You have seen Nascar progress with lead lap, spoilers, etc. They are always looking to make things better for the racers and the fans. So, what does MX need to do or are we good where we are at?


I like the idea of:

-5 extra points for the fastest lap of the race day(another post got me thinking this). This way fast guy gets rewarded even with a horrible start.


-I know many of you might not like this but a rolling start-starting gates are so yesterday Smile. Or some alternative to a start. I fuggin hate starts and I think most riders do also. There dangerous, they can limit good racing of the top guys. You get a bad start it's hard to get up and battle with the rest. To much emphasis placed on 20 seconds of a 30 minutes race.


I really think an alternative to the starts would be safer and you would see more battles with the tops guys.
You start 10th and takes you 20 minutes to get up front in the top 3 where if you got out front in the beginning you might have won. Too much emphasis placed on the start if you ask me. Kind of ruins the rest of the race.
Actually on #3...

If at least a handful of the top guys would wear Heart Rate monitors and feed that to an online graphic, that would bring it to a lot of fitness type people that don't get how hard it is.

Would help with the typical non moto GF saying, "What's so hard about it? They just sit on the bike and the motor does all the work".... Angry
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5/24/2010 6:38pm
Torco1 wrote:
Have the WMA riders race topless on a whoop-dee-doo only track.
jasonv43 wrote:
Topless wrestling matches for gate pics too.
And podium tickle fights.

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5/24/2010 6:40pm
Torco1 wrote:
Have the WMA riders race topless on a whoop-dee-doo only track.
jasonv43 wrote:
Topless wrestling matches for gate pics too.
Torco1 wrote:
And podium tickle fights.
Trampoline jumping for........

No reason I guess.
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5/24/2010 6:41pm
Do the Davalos twins get to enter the race as a double team?
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5/24/2010 6:41pm
Torco1 wrote:
Have the WMA riders race topless on a whoop-dee-doo only track.
Torco1 wrote: Have the Rockstar girls race topless on a whoop-dee-doo only track.



Fixed that for you. I will pass on the WMA riders.
5/24/2010 6:43pm
draw the points for each position closer to each other for the top spots a give more points to the lower positions. it would be also intersting if they dropped the rule stating that the bike has to be a production model bike as well.
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Instead of Erin Bates throwing rocks she could throw water balloons at the racers or uh Rockstar girls.
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5/24/2010 9:49pm
I think that there is nothing wrong with the racing. We should look at add points for fastest qualifier or most laps led or leading a...
I think that there is nothing wrong with the racing. We should look at add points for fastest qualifier or most laps led or leading a lap or fastest race lap. then things would be getting hard to follow like NASCAR. Seriously, can you tell me how many points you get for a race win in nascar? Its crazy

the only changes that should be made are in how its shown on TV. I actually think they did really good for Hangtown. Talking about the tracks and junk.

One thing they do in road racing that they should do in MX and SX is to give sections times. So much changes in one lap it would be good to see how much times is being made up in sections.

They HAVE to make it a 2hr show so they can show both motos. I know they want to make it user friendly and get it in a 1hr package, but you got to show the whole race how it was meant to be shows. Football doesn't have a preview show for the first half. World Superbike breaks each race into it's own hour show. I am sure Speed can move Pass Time one hour back.

Us diehards might have to get screwed and have TV focus on the premier class (450). I think it just confuses the casual viewer. Even though the best racing is in the 250 class right now for the sport to grow the focus needs to be more on the big boys. The support classes in MotoGP and WSBK are basically an after thought, and most of the production going into.

Show MX technology, and not that crap they did a few years ago where they had J-Bone show different sprockets or gas coolers and look all goofy. Maybe show how they get a stock bike transformed to a MX pro bike. Make it a more pre produce segment. Sh|t ESPN has 3D graphics for its new show on MMA and no one cares about MMA. Its on at like 3am. Heck, show the Joe Gibbs race shop more to draw in the NASCAR goon demographic.

I actually think they are heading in the right direction with what they got going on right now. I enjoyed the round 1 show.

I think there are some good ideas here. The 450s should be marketed as the premier class. If that means not showing the 250s live (maybe next day or later in the week) so all the 450 races can be shown live, then I'm on board for that. I agree that 2 hrs should be the minimum time needed, but I would use 30 min or so of that for the "prerace" show and get all of the interviews in during that time while also explaining the physical preparation and the mechanical nuances of the sport. Neat idea there about the transformation of a stock bike into a pro-level machine. You could also have a "cutaway" bike for one of the announcers to use like Jeff Hammond does on the FOX broadcasts of NASCAR to explain mechanical problems that might arise during the course of a moto. The second 20-30 min. would be highlights of the first moto. Oh, I forgot to mention the motos would be 40+2. The top of the second hour would show the live gate to flag coverage of moto 2, with PIP coverage during the commercials. No commercials inside of 10 min. to go. Last 15 min. of the broadcast would be podium interviews and interviews with others such as top privateer, etc. I also forgot to mention I'd run qualifiers for everybody and gate picks would be determined by drawing numbers for the first moto and results of moto 1 for the second moto. Of course with that being said, what we have today is light years better than watching Carlsbad on Wide World of Sports back in the "good ole days."
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5/24/2010 9:59pm
I think the only thing motocross could use is a change in the media industry. live tv, internet streaming....... Better options for the start.. NO slower guys in the back isnt fair, i think no matter how fast you are, you should ave a fair chance of getting a holeshot. Open pits all day, another no, riders need their peace and down time. They dont need fans bothering them all day, they are there to do a job.
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5/25/2010 4:09am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:05pm
level wrote:
You have seen Nascar progress with lead lap, spoilers, etc. They are always looking to make things better for the racers and the fans. So, what...
You have seen Nascar progress with lead lap, spoilers, etc. They are always looking to make things better for the racers and the fans. So, what does MX need to do or are we good where we are at?


I like the idea of:

-5 extra points for the fastest lap of the race day(another post got me thinking this). This way fast guy gets rewarded even with a horrible start.


-I know many of you might not like this but a rolling start-starting gates are so yesterday Smile. Or some alternative to a start. I fuggin hate starts and I think most riders do also. There dangerous, they can limit good racing of the top guys. You get a bad start it's hard to get up and battle with the rest. To much emphasis placed on 20 seconds of a 30 minutes race.


I really think an alternative to the starts would be safer and you would see more battles with the tops guys.
You start 10th and takes you 20 minutes to get up front in the top 3 where if you got out front in the beginning you might have won. Too much emphasis placed on the start if you ask me. Kind of ruins the rest of the race.
MX needs to keep the 18 yr old rule. To take this sport to another level we need smarter riders. I know some kids are ready at 16 but there brains are not. This sport needs riders that can sell products other than energy drinks.

I would be willing to bet that the IQ level of our sports best young (16-20 yrs of age) riders is in the 6th and 7th grade area at best.

I hope DC does not buckle on this rule.
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5/25/2010 7:06am
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one moto so that the mathematically challenged can figure out who won.
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5/25/2010 7:11am
full track yellow (debris on track?)........to tighten things up and produce better racing.
5/25/2010 7:59am
I think there should be a required weight limit for the rider/bike. So Davi Millsaps isn't gettin pulled on an uphill straight by RV cause RV is 40 pounds lighter than Davi.

It would actually save money, so if you implement. lets say, a 400lb combined rider/bike limit, then teams and privateers can save money by not having to spend $2,000 on mag hubs and titanium bolts. It is what F1 does (although their weights are a little extreme-to the low end) and that overpriced racing is finally providing better racing than Nascar has lately.

Just a thought, so now James would have to put lead in the bottom of his frame rails, and K-Dub would have to lighten his bike up.

I might be barkin up the wrong tree, but its just a thought that would bring the racing closer together possibly.

Another thought is either spec tires, or a "No Works Tires" rule
5/25/2010 9:13am
I think the biggest thing that could help change the MX series is the thing that will never happen. I think that if SX was 12 rounds instead of what it is now, there would be more time for riders to heal and prepare for the next series. More healthy riders on the gate, and less riders doing SX only. 6-8 weeks off between series would be huge for the riders.
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5/25/2010 9:30am
put it in a stadium with ac.
then the masses would come on out. 95 degree days
burning sun dust or go to the lake or pool get drunk BBQ
and chill? we all know most people are not core enough
to go out and bake in the sun.
what about bleachers with an awning and water cooled fans
i had seen this in like 85 or so at a little track in west texas i think.
i dont know really
i do think the SX an MX series are to close together let the guys
have at least a month off between.
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5/25/2010 9:44am
-Better display of the overall position during the broadcast would clear up a lot... It does not help that the announcers do not know nor do they clearly convey the overall positions through the broadcast, the technology exists to show the current and overall position real time all the time and this can be made a reality right now
-As far as the competition caution this can be accomplished in about 30 seconds. Throw the caution at a line about 200 yards before the finish and stop the leader for 30 seconds, line them up as they come in to the caution area and then let them go for a rolling start 30 seconds later (speed controlled by leader)... if you are not within 30 seconds of the leader it really does not matter anyway. From a fitness standpoint this helps the leader more than anyone else as he gets the most time to recover.... Not that the guys leading seem to have any heart rate, arm pump issues anyway.
-I like the weight limit idea but it is unfair to put a guy that weighs 135Lbs on a 265Lbs bike and expect him to compete fairly against a 180Lbs guy on a 220Lbs bike.
-Take us back to available to the public tires "special" tires do not do anyone any good.
-Telemetry, get it, and broadcast it, every other motor sport has it, shoot I have telemetry for my toy cars, temperature, RPM as well as many other options if I want.
-Section split times, yet another simple item to implement that will improve the quality of the broadcast.

5/25/2010 10:11am
First, I'd like Nascar to be dropped completely as a model, and instead look the the biggest motorcycle success, and that is Moto GP. The Moto GP webpage, the coverage, every single thing about it, is a dream come true in terms of presentation, class, style, motorcycle tradition etc. Nascar is essentially, the movie Idiocracy, and should not be the goal for MX. If you need to bring in a car model, reach to F1, not Nascar.

The thing is that taking MX to the next level as some people like to put it, will simply destroy the sport for good in America for the long time purist. It will just turn into a bigger circus than it already has sadly become. For me, my interest has been waining as the years go by and I find myself turning more and more to Moto GP and the MX GP's as my intelligence is not insulted during coverage. There, the sport has been preserved and is classic in it's presentation. We lost that a long time ago here, and are lost in a world of fireworks, hookers, flatbillers, monster trucks, "bling" and vulgarity.

You get the feeling that people won't be happy until MX is Nascar, and then what? Dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, and a couple of morons dressed in Kellogs outfits doing circles just so a "TV audience" can understand. Come of guys, is that what you want? The dream that TV morons can understand the sport? I personally think this is the difference between Jody and Combs, Jody sees MX heritage, Combs sort of does, but is now caught in making money and will suck TV's cock until the end. I'd rather go ride in a field with some buddies, and at least have some great memories of the sport before it was turned into this circus. Motorcycling by nature has always been a bit fringe, why try to fight this? It takes skill, intelligence, etc, it's not a joke, why debase it so? My 2 cents, peace.
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5/25/2010 10:33am
I don't know about all the next level stuff but i do think that the overall winner should be very well rewarded! 5 points or so to make the winning of the race really mean something! I don't understand why this is never talked about or why it isn't already a rule? Anyone know?
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5/25/2010 10:41am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:06pm
I don't think NASCAR is the best model....I think we need to look at the model PBR used for their sport. And MotoGP is a close second when it comes to models.

They could really do more with the TV coverage....automated maps of the track, with the riders represented as little dots, so we can see just how far a "15 second lead" really is. (they do this in road bike racing).

More helmet/bike cameras....

They need to exploit the awesomeness of an MX start (which is bar none, the coolest in all of motorsports) with cooler camera angles (one of those high speed zip line cameras above the riders and covering the length of the start....

come to think of it, just better camera angles PERIOD. They need to do a better job of showing just how steep the hills are, how big the bumps are, how angled the corners are, how fast the riders are going and how deep the ruts are on TV. As is, TV makes the tracks look to easy and makes it look like the riders are going slow.

They need to put the speed, RPMS, Gear, throttle and braking meters etc on the screen. (Like they do in MotoGP). Imagin an on board with Reed (or even a general camera view of the battle), while he's right on Dungey...and at the top of the screen you can see, side by side, the gear they are in, their RPMs, how hard on the throttle/brakes they are, their speed etc....this makes it interesting for the casual fan.

Someone mentioned heart rate monitors, I like that idea...because the motor doesn't do all the work.

Anyway, if there was some way of doing a better job of showing just how rough/hard the tracks are, how fast the riders are going, how hard the riders are working, and just plain how awesome the sport is...that would help the TV audience.


On second thought...I'm not sure I want the sport to go to the next level....I like it being a "niche" sport....so scratch those ideas....
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5/25/2010 11:05am
Because then Ricky or James would win by 300+ points instead of just 70. I do not like the gap in points all it does is make huge winning margins... Very rarely does it allow someone to come from behind for the win, The win bonus should come down to the tie breaker only.
IMO
1=25,
2=24
3=23
Give a bonus 1 for the overall winner.
Throw out each riders worst single moto of the year.

Since we have only had very few perfect seasons this is a reasonable dominant season outcome:
Full dominant series = 600, throw out worst moto for 575, + all bonus points=599
Full season of 2nds = 576, throw out worst moto for 552.
Win margin of only 47 for the most part guarantees that there will be a race to earn the championship at the last round.

From experience this format makes for really tight points battles. It rewards consistency as well as stand out performance but not so much that it grossly skews the points.


If the difference from 1st to 2nd is 5 points. Say 1st= 25 and 2nd= 20. After just 5 moto wins a rider could just sit one out, or DNF and still retain the point lead.... Or keep racing and have at least a 25 point lead after just 5 motos.
Although they earned it, I am tired of seeing championships won before the final event.
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5/25/2010 12:13pm
edgo897 wrote:
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one...
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one moto so that the mathematically challenged can figure out who won.
hahahaha
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5/25/2010 12:21pm
edgo897 wrote:
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one...
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one moto so that the mathematically challenged can figure out who won.
KAWboy14 wrote:
hahahaha
How about some flame throwers that ignite when the winner crosses the line? Im sure the commentators could come up with some crazy catch phrase for it.
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5/25/2010 12:23pm
edgo897 wrote:
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one...
Make a pretend track in a football stadium with fireworks and big freestyle type jumps. Limit the main event to 20 riders and have just one moto so that the mathematically challenged can figure out who won.
KAWboy14 wrote:
hahahaha
jamma10 wrote:
How about some flame throwers that ignite when the winner crosses the line? Im sure the commentators could come up with some crazy catch phrase for...
How about some flame throwers that ignite when the winner crosses the line? Im sure the commentators could come up with some crazy catch phrase for it.
Yeah, something like:

"Strike the matches"

er

"turn on the flames"

er

"ignite the torches"

That would be awesome!

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