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Existing contracts that the team may have that conflict with any potential new brands and riders that have the potential to be super popular like Haiden and the Lawrences don't come along often. Again, look at the situation with Kenny and the Progressive Suzuki team.
There may be somebody out there that would be willing to pay a bunch for Haiden to do things that other racers may also not be open to doing. Conflicts in what the team owners are willing to do, or restrictions in place because of long-term sponsors with existing longer term contracts.
For a team like Honda or Yamaha, they might just have some things that are set in stone and would conflict with some brands becoming a title sponsor. Something that would take more money than doing there own team would to open up a Factory team to taking on a company as a title sponsor.
And then there is also the old personal part of making deals happen. And sometimes the right deal takes the right people to happen. And without those people in place, the deal will not happen. I have wrapped vans for a body shop for the last 10 years. A change in management later I no longer wrap the vans. The quality, price, etc. was not an issue. The existing relationships the new manager had with another wrapper was the reason. Without that new manager in place, that other company would not have been wrapping the vans.
Brian might have some big money people who would only work with him. That have been burnt or seen other brands burnt by dealing with a MX team in the past. Or may have no interest in MX if not for the Deegan's. What if say Youtube wanted to have their own team and have it be a weekly or 2 times a week show . A new channel based team. And produce it like that F1 thing everybody says MX needs. Or what if Netflix, NBC, etc. have seen the Deegan's channel and wanted to build a show around the family and a team?
Of course that Netflix show was just a random idea that came to me while writing this. But that type of way out of the box style of doing a team is the type of stuff that would be harder to do with a Factory team, but at the same time be worth doing on many levels. Brian helped turn FMX into something more than a halftime show. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit , but really look at what they have all done so far. Brian has raised 2 top level racers. Who knows what Huck will do. Maybe He will end up going into more of the management side of stuff, or come out and be winning the 250 class when Haiden is in the 450 class. Or go fishing for a while. Interesting to think about though.
Is Star making any profit at all or even breaking even? Unfortunately, like everything in this sport, normal things like public financial reporting don't seem to take place. Maybe Star are just massively in debt, or able to write off a lot of what they do by linking it to Bobby's car yards?
Why anyone would want the headache of running a team when you're already on a perfectly good factory team is perplexing. It seems like the Deegans would have enough leverage to get a good deal with one of the factories and still develop outside sponsors, and run their YouTube empire. On the other hand, if what OP says is true, the team would be just a marketing vehicle - which is all it is for the factories.
Not sure how you could possibly know what’s best for Haiden. He’s still only 18 years old. Which would make him around the age of a high school senior. He’s been very successful so far. With a super motocross championship and now an outdoor title that was clinched with 3 motos to go. It appears what the Deegan family is doing with their teenage son is working out very well. Again he’s only 18 years old. I laughed at your post. Which is mostly nonsense. 🤦♂️😂😂
Just looking from the outside I think Mirtl is pretty overrated. So far is oft quoted plan to make Jett a massive cross sport superstar hasn't really happened, not to mention the wider plan of 'growing' the sport (he and Gyspy Ho and Kenny's manager are the worst for the horseshit take that moto can be like F1).
You'd have to be an absolute turd not to do well with Jett. He's incredibly talented, young, charismatic, good looking etc. I think Mirtl is riding Jett's innate abilities, not really adding that much to anything.
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Well put.
Correct Dazzy is definitely heavily involved. As he should be.
Who could put a price on the Deegan brand? Certainly Star Could not do that kind of money.
I know. It's a paranoid weird place inside his basement with his old desk top computer.
This makes me laugh....oh how you have been humbled....
You appear to misunderstand what 'opening Pandora's box' means. But leaving that aside.
What about just negotiating things like overseas races into the contract with Star? You don't need to create your own team do this.
Haven't you got some of Brian's media releases to prepare?
Careful. Vitards don’t like critical thinkers on their forum.
Dad want's to manage the team. Haiden is young and is not likely seeing the whole picture. His Dad got him to where he is today. Hard work and talent aside. Very few kids get the opportunities Haiden has.
To Brian's credit, he has provided a pretty great life for his family. No one knows the true nature of their relationship, good or bad. My Dad "managed" my racing career (which was more of a "riding" career) and I loved every minute of it. If I was super successful and my Dad was rich, why would we not want to do our own thing? So long as the equipment was the best out there of course.
I am not saying this is a good decision... Maybe they have avenues to make money above what they are now. What if they break even (as compared to what Haiden would get on Starr or wherever) and they get to do it their own way and get to do it together? Do what you love, and if you can do it with someone you love, why not?
Well, it may have crazy amounts of power, which would fit his style.
I'm sure the premiums against Haiden winning a championship would be expensive in their own right. He probably has at least a 25% chance of winning a 450 championship in 2026. If his bonus is $1 million, then the premiums on that policy are probably going to be close to $200,000/year.
I understand that but is he willing to test the bike and develop it and only practice a few times.
i would not be surprised if Brian is talking to Chad about the costs, i could see something more like the Mcgrath Chaparral deal with factory support , rather than the full Chad reed way that do it on their own, also remember, Chad didnt have a full factory option to go to , which forced his hand somewhat,
Big gamble on an, at that time, unproven bike. Could be a hero or a great big zero.
I also wonder what, if it doesn’t go well, established manufacturer would welcome him in their team.
Seems like a huge gamble and potential career killer .
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If your 25% is true, they are going to charge 30% of the bonus at least. Insurance companies aren't there to lose money
Star does not pay the 450 riders tho. Yamaha directly does. So i would bet yamaha backs up the money truck and gives him a massive deal like they did when cooper went to the 450 for them first time around. Also Deegan would have a massive pay check from monster and tons of other sponsors he would have the freedom of having being on a 450
I have no idea. Just a thought. A few months ago, Tomac announced his intention to race 2025, but did not announce a contract extension with Star. That led me to wonder if he was considering a different manufacturer.
Yeah, obviously I don't know what the exact calculation is.
That’s going to be announced in the next week or two according to the SML kickstart podcast.
Damn it....you made me have to go back and read the clowns post....
Ironically, my hand is in electronic design of the many devices people use to talk shit on the internet with. Mobile phones, servers, vehicle infotainment systems, space faring gizmos, ear buds etc, etc, etc..... and even military/ITAR goodies.
Not that it matters much to the clueless buffoons with diarrhea mouth who lob "age" insults because it's all they got.
His own team? wtf? Why would he do that? I bet RC and CR would have something to say about that
Marquez left for less money because the Honda is just that bad in MotoGP atm
Good to see him back near the front. Still crashing but at least he's not crashing out while pushing for ninth place
And perhaps Larocco and MC would have something different to say about it.
Has Chad ever expressed remorse over his team? I’d bet he views it as a successful endeavor
Successful as a racing venture but what about as a money making venture?
So if i go to work for a company, and am earning a good wage...i would be a fool to go out an start my own company doing the same thing so i can be my own man and hopefully make more money?
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