Mathes thinks Deegan is bowing out of MXON Team USA

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kage173 wrote:

If youre benefitting from the flag for branding, subsribers and $, but then you refuse to make a small sacrifice...then yes pUT the flag down.

Is he refusing or does he have circumstances that don't allow him to commit?

Sounds like he needs surgery so he can be ready to go for 2025, you know for the Series' that he has a contract and his sponsors expect him to race, so should he sacrifice his contractual obligations just to do a race for free to make you happy?

Honestly, I'd love to see him go.  I'd love to see it be our best 3 guys every year.  But due to lots of factors, that rarely happens.  I don't understand why some of ya'll get so wound up that these guys don't want to or can't always go to a race that they aren't contracted to do.  A race that falls in a very short off season window, after they've already spent about 30 weeks on the road doing other races....right before they are expected to start testing and training again to jump back into a 9 month grind of racing 2 separate disciplines.

Some of ya'll throw hate at these guys that won't go like they fucked your old lady or something.  Get over it.

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7/25/2024 11:54am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2024 11:55am

Deegan could decline. No harm no foul.

Then they could select someone else.

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to medical reasons, just like Deegs, oddly I don't see multiple threads calling him a piece of shit like I do Deegs.

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

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Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to...

Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to medical reasons, just like Deegs, oddly I don't see multiple threads calling him a piece of shit like I do Deegs.

His knee is jacked? Didn’t know that

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

LungButter wrote:
Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to...

Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to medical reasons, just like Deegs, oddly I don't see multiple threads calling him a piece of shit like I do Deegs.

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kage173 wrote:

If youre benefitting from the flag for branding, subsribers and $, but then you refuse to make a small sacrifice...then yes pUT the flag down.

LungButter wrote:
Is he refusing or does he have circumstances that don't allow him to commit?Sounds like he needs surgery so he can be ready to go for...

Is he refusing or does he have circumstances that don't allow him to commit?

Sounds like he needs surgery so he can be ready to go for 2025, you know for the Series' that he has a contract and his sponsors expect him to race, so should he sacrifice his contractual obligations just to do a race for free to make you happy?

Honestly, I'd love to see him go.  I'd love to see it be our best 3 guys every year.  But due to lots of factors, that rarely happens.  I don't understand why some of ya'll get so wound up that these guys don't want to or can't always go to a race that they aren't contracted to do.  A race that falls in a very short off season window, after they've already spent about 30 weeks on the road doing other races....right before they are expected to start testing and training again to jump back into a 9 month grind of racing 2 separate disciplines.

Some of ya'll throw hate at these guys that won't go like they fucked your old lady or something.  Get over it.

Not wound up. No long winded post here. As I said originally, I have no problem  with these guys declining. But, don't be on the podium draped in the flag for your YouTube video if youre not willing to go out of your way for it.

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

LungButter wrote:
Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to...

Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to medical reasons, just like Deegs, oddly I don't see multiple threads calling him a piece of shit like I do Deegs.

His knee is jacked? Didn’t know that

He hasn't had an ACL since before start of SX. He will have a bit of a decision to make though because end of SMX to start of Supercross is only 3 and half months and he will need minimum 7 months for an ACL to fully heal after surgery. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he just leaves it as is for now at least, it obviously isn't bothering him and many other guys have done the same. 

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Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would go no matter the circumstance. Others dont get as much heat because they dont have the act and claims to be so patriotic.  

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Farmer J wrote:
Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would...

Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would go no matter the circumstance. Others dont get as much heat because they dont have the act and claims to be so patriotic.  

This is a clown take.

"No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they are contracted to do, if they need to skip MXdN to get their health shit lined out, they should do that.

 

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Everyone complaining of the cost  for the US riders, its a valid point but think of the smaller nations that manage to go to every single...

Everyone complaining of the cost  for the US riders, its a valid point but think of the smaller nations that manage to go to every single MXDN with a tiny fraction of the support the US team has, A fraction of the bank accounts the riders have and do what they can to represent their country. 

US riders are the best paid in the world, so if other nations manage to bring a team then the US should have no problem doing so. 

That's not the point. The riders make nothing, the teams make nothing but yet Luongo makes all kinds of money? This is completely unreasonable. Give all the profit to something like road to recovery and I would feel as you do. 

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Farmer J wrote:
Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would...

Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would go no matter the circumstance. Others dont get as much heat because they dont have the act and claims to be so patriotic.  

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This is a clown take."No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they...

This is a clown take.

"No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they are contracted to do, if they need to skip MXdN to get their health shit lined out, they should do that.

 

Ok. If someone is truly passionate about something it comes first. You're the one too wound up over this. 

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Send Sexton, Anderson, and Plessinger.

Settle the 250 at the test track.

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gantry25 wrote:
That's not the point. The riders make nothing, the teams make nothing but yet Luongo makes all kinds of money? This is completely unreasonable. Give all...

That's not the point. The riders make nothing, the teams make nothing but yet Luongo makes all kinds of money? This is completely unreasonable. Give all the profit to something like road to recovery and I would feel as you do. 

Money or pride

This race shows who is driven by what

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Farmer J wrote:

Ok. If someone is truly passionate about something it comes first. You're the one too wound up over this. 

I'm too wound up.... you're the one saying the dude should put his health and long term future 2nd fiddle to a race that doesn't really mean shit to the success of his career.

Are you really that stupid?  Seriously?  I mean I know that you love to hate on the Deegs and it makes you feel like a tough guy but come on man, use your brain here.

Also, my take is based on him truthfully needing surgery and that isn't just an excuse to not go, which none of us obviously know the truth about, we can only speculate.  

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True, but my point was that he got hurt at a race that doesn't benefit the riders financially at all and actually costs them money. 

Most of the injury reports I hear are from "practice" accidents.   I guess if you look at the sport from a purely profit driven perspective there wouldn't be a nations at all.  

I'm just not that jaded.  If we cant field an "A" team of guys that want to go...then send Chisholm, Phil and Savatgy.  Forget podium but I'd root like crazy for that team.😃

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

LungButter wrote:
Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to...

Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to medical reasons, just like Deegs, oddly I don't see multiple threads calling him a piece of shit like I do Deegs.

His knee is jacked? Didn’t know that

He's been riding with a torn ACL for a while.

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Do the riders get paid for the MXoN? I’m as patriotic as anyone, but I understand not working for free.. How many more years would Donnie Hansen...

Do the riders get paid for the MXoN? I’m as patriotic as anyone, but I understand not working for free.. 

How many more years would Donnie Hansen have been on top if it wasn’t for his MXoN related injury?

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You’re not as patriotic as you think then. 

Yeah, he's basically saying his 'patriotism' depends on how much he gets paid. 

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i'm naive about the inner workings of things about this race...but it's been said there is "no pay for the MXON".Ok, but wouldn't the sponsors be...

i'm naive about the inner workings of things about this race...but it's been said there is "no pay for the MXON".

Ok, but wouldn't the sponsors be paying the riders? For example, in the CR22 photo above, you're telling me Progressive paid nothing to have their logo publicized in front of a crowd like that (and on TV) without paying a nickel to the rider?

I'm suspicious about this no payment argument as well.  I would have thought top riders would have something in their contracts that bonuses be paid for wins/podiums in races outside of the traditional MX/SX/SMX rounds. 

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I'm blown away how many people think you need to travel the world and race a race that your not contracted to do just so you...

I'm blown away how many people think you need to travel the world and race a race that your not contracted to do just so you can wave a flag.

It's like you're super proud to have freedom but are pissed that someone else has the freedom to do what they want.

Right. Haiden has every right to wave the flag. First Amendment ftw. 

Come on mate, you're going seriously off topic here.  No one said he can't wave the flag.  People are pissed off because his flag waving was used as a cynical WWE stunt against the Lawrences and had very little to do with real patriotism.  The Deegans then turned around and didn't attend MXDN and look likely to do the same this year.  People don't like false flag waving, it's as simple as that.  If you all can't see Brian Deegan is entirely false and is about nothing but marketing and clicks you haven't been watching how he operates. Once again Haiden is caught up in his father's bullshit. 

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Do the riders get paid for the MXoN? I’m as patriotic as anyone, but I understand not working for free.. How many more years would Donnie Hansen...

Do the riders get paid for the MXoN? I’m as patriotic as anyone, but I understand not working for free.. 

How many more years would Donnie Hansen have been on top if it wasn’t for his MXoN related injury?

agn5008 wrote:

You’re not as patriotic as you think then. 

Herr Lich wrote:

Yeah, he's basically saying his 'patriotism' depends on how much he gets paid. 

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol. Why do you care so much which American does or doesn't want to race the MXoN? Why do you care so much about American patriotism? I honestly couldn't give two shits who Australia puts on their team, or France, or Belgium, or . . .  Sure I'd like to see all of the best race each other but if Herlings opts out for whatever reason I couldn't imagine throwing a tantrum over it. What am I missing? 

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LungButter wrote:

So you can only wave the flag if you've sacrificed something?

Got it.

 

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If youre benefitting from the flag for branding, subsribers and $, but then you refuse to make a small sacrifice...then yes pUT the flag down.

Everything about that family is manufactured to maximize social media clicks and ad revenue

The thing I loath about Brian Deegan's marketing, especially his messaging, is it's so obvious.  Remember when Haiden acted like an arse during supercross, caught heat from the fans, and then the next week on the podium was all contrition and God and family?  Well, he did the exact same thing this last week on the podium - God, family etc - after his comments about Hymas the week earlier did not go well.  The Deegans are as fake as Brian's wife's plastic surgery. 

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I have not read through 4 pages of this just because it's titled Deegan. But so sick of hearing who does not wan to go or should be picked every year. I want 3 guys who just want to go race at this event for the purpose of going and competing at this race for the pride. 

Just like RJ Hampshire last year.  Hymas would be my pick along with Sexton and Plessinger. 

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Honestly would anyone really be upset if Hymas was picked? With that cheater bike/ecu it’s holeshot city

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Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to...

Sadly I bet he's out too, his knee on one leg is trash and his ankle on the other is trash.  He's probably out due to medical reasons, just like Deegs, oddly I don't see multiple threads calling him a piece of shit like I do Deegs.

It's because Hymas doesn't do stupid cynical shit.  All the shit the Deegans get is not just spun out of nothing - it's the result of how they behave.  The cynical flag waving being the most relevant to this particular thread. 

Calling people 'haters' who call out the Deegans is just a way of sidestepping the fact they bring this on themselves. 

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Farmer J wrote:
Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would...

Just my 2 cents but if he doesn't go he deserves the heat. If he was serious about the flag waving and patriotic claims he would go no matter the circumstance. Others dont get as much heat because they dont have the act and claims to be so patriotic.  

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This is a clown take."No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they...

This is a clown take.

"No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they are contracted to do, if they need to skip MXdN to get their health shit lined out, they should do that.

 

Farmer J wrote:

Ok. If someone is truly passionate about something it comes first. You're the one too wound up over this. 

It looks like he's taken over the Deegan's PR on vital from DonM. 

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I have not read through 4 pages of this just because it's titled Deegan. But so sick of hearing who does not wan to go or...

I have not read through 4 pages of this just because it's titled Deegan. But so sick of hearing who does not wan to go or should be picked every year. I want 3 guys who just want to go race at this event for the purpose of going and competing at this race for the pride. 

Just like RJ Hampshire last year.  Hymas would be my pick along with Sexton and Plessinger. 

If hymas isn't 100%, I would say send cochran, or even ryder d because ryder is heating up.

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It isn't about money. For a kid like Deegan with a media "brand," racing the MXDN is a no-brainer. They can use that as a huge...

It isn't about money. For a kid like Deegan with a media "brand," racing the MXDN is a no-brainer. They can use that as a huge publicity endeavor for the YouTube channel and he'll garner international fans from his appearance. In other words, he'll earn money indirectly from the race. 

If he elects to not go, it is either because he is thinking about his long-term health or because he simply doesn't want to represent.

But if Deegan goes and loses..? imagine how that looks for the brand. Thats all they care about.  Deegan wants home soil, best team mates and a guaranteed win or he isnt going. He isnt racing for his country or money. He is racing for brand image and to up the ego.

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LungButter wrote:
This is a clown take."No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they...

This is a clown take.

"No matter the circumstance...." Give me a break bro.  These guys have millions of dollars on the line for the shit they are contracted to do, if they need to skip MXdN to get their health shit lined out, they should do that.

 

Farmer J wrote:

Ok. If someone is truly passionate about something it comes first. You're the one too wound up over this. 

Herr Lich wrote:

It looks like he's taken over the Deegan's PR on vital from DonM. 

He's always been on the PR team. I don't understand why they get so worked up over other peoples opinions. 

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