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I just think Jett’s starts and speed are stronger than hunters. So instead of Chase having to cut through the pack and cut down a 8...

I just think Jett’s starts and speed are stronger than hunters. So instead of Chase having to cut through the pack and cut down a 8 second lead to get to Hunter, he’d have to cut through the pack and then chase down Jett who can match sextons lap times so, yeah I think Jett would still be a problem.

It really does look like Hunter misses Having Jett to latch on to. Not a slam on Huntah just an observation.

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Deegan LLC, knows exactly how to market their product. Moto is a business and as long as they're winning, enough sponsors and fans will accept the off-putting podium acts to make it a very lucrative endeavor. The world needs good guys as well as bad guys. It creates excitement, energy and participation, which in turn generates revenue. "Colonel" Tom Parker made a fortune selling "I Love Elvis" pins. He also made a fortune selling "I Hate Elvis" pins.

Business 101 💰

P.s. insert P.T. Barnum quote here (                            &nbspWink

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Looks to me Deegan was looking right at Hymas leg. Whats the saying about if you stare at something long enough while driving/riding you'll hit it. Deegans fault

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Hunter's fitness is honestly so far below where it should be and I don't know what his excuse for it is, Jett certainly had no problems...

Hunter's fitness is honestly so far below where it should be and I don't know what his excuse for it is, Jett certainly had no problems with fitness in his rookie 450 year

I’ve noticed that hunter, hymas and Jett at southwick ( although injured) have seemed to be fading badly at times. I wonder if they’ve started taking a supplement that’s causing it?? Just a thought but it seems very arm pumpish the way they’re drastically fading??

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…and one person’s opinion….not all Americans….

KlockreN wrote:
My opinion is based of what I read on socials these days, comments on here, insta and youtube the deegan fanboys makes it fucking rough. Every...

My opinion is based of what I read on socials these days, comments on here, insta and youtube the deegan fanboys makes it fucking rough. Every video you see "Come race Deegan and you will fucking get owned"

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If your opinion on anything is based on Socials, you are lost. 

So damn accurate 

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7/13/2024 5:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 5:59pm
image #2 

image #2 

You are using undeniable facts trying to justify something to peeps that care nothing about reality. Video and facts don't mean anything to some here. 

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Deegan is also intimidated by Hymas I feel

I don't know if intimidated is the right word. Threatened? Chase is young enough and has the top gear to be a problem for Deegz.

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Talon wrote:
Looks to me Deegan was looking right at Hymas leg. Whats the saying about if you stare at something long enough while driving/riding you'll hit it...

Looks to me Deegan was looking right at Hymas leg. Whats the saying about if you stare at something long enough while driving/riding you'll hit it. Deegans fault

It's easy to see that in a photo. It is much different going 30 mph less than 18 inches away. Pretty sure it was a racing incident and not deliberate. That's a literal fractions of a second and things happen before you know it and stuff happens. It is one thing to not be happy about something, but the pure hate on here at times is mind blowing. But then, look at social media as a whole and there it is for all to see, everywhere.

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Chances fault, he was trying to control the corner

You are smart. 

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The AMA needs to bring the hammer down on these lappers, this shit is ridiculous

What would the penalty for a lapper be?  Make them go to last place lmao.

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The AMA needs to bring the hammer down on these lappers, this shit is ridiculous

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What would the penalty for a lapper be?  Make them go to last place lmao.

Send them to a moto training facility and teach them to go faster 😎

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7/13/2024 6:29pm
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Jo’s attempted take out of haiden was a bitch move. Then give up like a complete bitch? 

Remember when Jo rode rough with the Lawrence’s?  RC said keep it clean.

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7/13/2024 6:35pm

You got any proof for that first paragraph at all??

971_Fan wrote:
Yes, Matthes' own words: But at one point you can see me throw my hands up and walk away from him. He went passed that line...

Yes, Matthes' own words:

But at one point you can see me throw my hands up and walk away from him. He went passed that line between venting and actually scaring me when he told me that he was going to get his gun and “shoot you in the head.” Yup, he actually said this to me. It was now getting into the Hollywood movie of the week area and at this point, I didn’t want anything to do with this raging lunatic".

That was from an article Matthes wrote:

🤣 Matthes claiming something is not proof by any means whatsoever. That's a claim, not proof

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7/13/2024 6:38pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 7:46pm
Overcusser wrote:

its annoying how the crowd is always assholes to the foreign riders on the podium

They watch too much spicy Deegan podium or YouTube interviews. 

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7/13/2024 6:55pm Edited Date/Time 7/14/2024 1:58am
Hunter's fitness is honestly so far below where it should be and I don't know what his excuse for it is, Jett certainly had no problems...

Hunter's fitness is honestly so far below where it should be and I don't know what his excuse for it is, Jett certainly had no problems with fitness in his rookie 450 year

He crashed pretty hard last week.  Maybe he is not healed fully from that.  🤷‍♀️

I am changing my comment.  Hunter smoothed things out after last week but Chase just muscled the bike around more.  Hunter wasn’t ragged to try and keep the top pace and held off AP.

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7/13/2024 7:19pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 7:38pm
eric427 wrote:
Slow down boys This video should change all your opinions against Deegan. Hymas took Deegan front wheel out with his foot    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9YOHFcRtoW/?igsh=YWJhMWNrdHU2dWkx

Slow down boys This video should change all your opinions against Deegan. Hymas took Deegan front wheel out with his foot 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9YOHFcRtoW/?igsh=YWJhMWNrdHU2dWkx

Chance’s foot kicked back sharply and hit Deegan’s front wheel or you could say Deegan’s front wheel got hit when Chance’s leg kicked back.  It was a foot dab this time I think and  Deegan didn’t run into him. 

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7/13/2024 7:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 7:24pm

🤣 Matthes claiming something is not proof by any means whatsoever. That's a claim, not proof

So Matthes writing an article on it, noting that there were eyewitnesses, and the then head of Honda Racing, asking Matthes not to press charges was all made up?

You'd think that if it was made up, claims as serious as that, that, RC, Honda, the people who witnessed it would publicly dispute it. But none of them ever did. 

What more proof do you need?  My guess is that had charges been filed, there would have been enough evidence (via testimony corroborated by nunerous individuals) for the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that RC did in fact commit a crime. 

Having said that, you sure are going to great distances to hold to your claims about Haiden despite evidence to the contrary. 

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7/13/2024 7:24pm Edited Date/Time 7/14/2024 1:44pm
the moment shit went off the rails

the moment shit went off the rails

Looks like Deegan was close but not making contact and Chance’s leg was already kicking back.  It is a deceptive picture because Chance had an awkward lean with the slide and off balance foot.  Deegan’s foot was close but a textbook to turn posture with his leg forward. He was coming in hot but Chance made a mistake that forced his foot into Deegan’s wheel.  If Chance’s foot stayed forward there wouldn’t have been a crash like that.  Blame it on the mud and right turn start.  Another aerial for Deegan’s highlight reel.

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🤣 Matthes claiming something is not proof by any means whatsoever. That's a claim, not proof

971_Fan wrote:
So Matthes writing an article on it, noting that there were eyewitnesses, and the then head of Honda Racing, asking Matthes not to press charges was...

So Matthes writing an article on it, noting that there were eyewitnesses, and the then head of Honda Racing, asking Matthes not to press charges was all made up?

You'd think that if it was made up, claims as serious as that, that, RC, Honda, the people who witnessed it would publicly dispute it. But none of them ever did. 

What more proof do you need?  My guess is that had charges been filed, there would have been enough evidence (via testimony corroborated by nunerous individuals) for the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that RC did in fact commit a crime. 

Having said that, you sure are going to great distances to hold to your claims about Haiden despite evidence to the contrary. 

1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of law

2. I asked for INTERVIEWS where RC acted like Deegan. You can't provide any so you've gone with this behind the scenes claim from Matthes with no proof of said claim

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KlockreN wrote:
My opinion is based of what I read on socials these days, comments on here, insta and youtube the deegan fanboys makes it fucking rough. Every...

My opinion is based of what I read on socials these days, comments on here, insta and youtube the deegan fanboys makes it fucking rough. Every video you see "Come race Deegan and you will fucking get owned"

This is nonsense.  Smdh 🤦‍♂️

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7/13/2024 8:33pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 8:45pm
1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of...

1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of law

2. I asked for INTERVIEWS where RC acted like Deegan. You can't provide any so you've gone with this behind the scenes claim from Matthes with no proof of said claim

The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan."  Not anything about interviews. 

You are correct that he never behaved like Deegan; he actually behaved much worse than Deegan by threatening to shoot not just one person, but two. 

I'm not going to get into a lengthy argument about hearsay and jurisprudence with you, suffice it to say, that you don't seem to understand the incredible weight credible testimony has in a court of law. It goes up tenfold when testimony is corroborated by other competent and credible eyewitnesses. 

You seem to be arguing in this thread with anyone that disagrees with you (it reminds me of someone who has been drinking) and since it's clear to me that you just don't like Haiden and aren't willing to have a reasonable talk, any further discussion is, at least for me, pointless.

You, as well as several others, have decided Haiden is bad fruit and that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So instead of wasting any more time, I'll not hinder you from your dislike of Danger Boy. 

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1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of...

1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of law

2. I asked for INTERVIEWS where RC acted like Deegan. You can't provide any so you've gone with this behind the scenes claim from Matthes with no proof of said claim

971_Fan wrote:
The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan...

The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan."  Not anything about interviews. 

You are correct that he never behaved like Deegan; he actually behaved much worse than Deegan by threatening to shoot not just one person, but two. 

I'm not going to get into a lengthy argument about hearsay and jurisprudence with you, suffice it to say, that you don't seem to understand the incredible weight credible testimony has in a court of law. It goes up tenfold when testimony is corroborated by other competent and credible eyewitnesses. 

You seem to be arguing in this thread with anyone that disagrees with you (it reminds me of someone who has been drinking) and since it's clear to me that you just don't like Haiden and aren't willing to have a reasonable talk, any further discussion is, at least for me, pointless.

You, as well as several others, have decided Haiden is bad fruit and that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So instead of wasting any more time, I'll not hinder you from your dislike of Danger Boy. 

You have NO PROOF for claiming that RC threatened to shoot someone. You can repeat bullshit hearsay until you're blue in the face but you have nothing to prove what you're saying and neither does Matthes

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1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of...

1. I asked for proof. Hearsay and claims from biased parties do not qualify as proof. That shit would never hold up in a court of law

2. I asked for INTERVIEWS where RC acted like Deegan. You can't provide any so you've gone with this behind the scenes claim from Matthes with no proof of said claim

971_Fan wrote:
The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan...

The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan."  Not anything about interviews. 

You are correct that he never behaved like Deegan; he actually behaved much worse than Deegan by threatening to shoot not just one person, but two. 

I'm not going to get into a lengthy argument about hearsay and jurisprudence with you, suffice it to say, that you don't seem to understand the incredible weight credible testimony has in a court of law. It goes up tenfold when testimony is corroborated by other competent and credible eyewitnesses. 

You seem to be arguing in this thread with anyone that disagrees with you (it reminds me of someone who has been drinking) and since it's clear to me that you just don't like Haiden and aren't willing to have a reasonable talk, any further discussion is, at least for me, pointless.

You, as well as several others, have decided Haiden is bad fruit and that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So instead of wasting any more time, I'll not hinder you from your dislike of Danger Boy. 

You have NO PROOF for claiming that RC threatened to shoot someone. You can repeat bullshit hearsay until you're blue in the face but you have...

You have NO PROOF for claiming that RC threatened to shoot someone. You can repeat bullshit hearsay until you're blue in the face but you have nothing to prove what you're saying and neither does Matthes

RC has admitted to that and apologized as well.

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7/13/2024 9:57pm

Fastest laps of the races

450 moto 1

2.07.107 = Hunter Lawrence
2.07.154 = Chase Sexton
2.07.394 = Aaron Plessinger
2.08.089 = Jason Anderson
2.09.565 = Justin Cooper
2.09.591 = Dylan Ferrandis
2.10.305 = Christian Craig
2.10.656 = Malcolm Stewart
2.11.976 = Phillip Nicoletti
2.12.171 = Fredrik Noren

250 moto 1

2.08.989 = Levi Kitchen
2.09.154 = Haiden Deegan
2.09.893 = Jo Shimoda
2.10.053 = Tom Vialle
2.11.136 = Chance Hymas
2.11.210 = Jordon Smith
2.11.939 = Joey Savatgy
2.12.237 = Ty Masterpool
2.12.296 = Casey Cochran
2.12.513 = Max Anstie

450 moto 2

2.06.655 = Chase Sexton
2.07.112 = Hunter Lawrence
2.07.314 = Justin Cooper
2.07.595 = Aaron Plessinger
2.07.828 = Jason Anderson
2.09.195 = Christian Craig
2.09.276 = Dylan Ferrandis
2.10.369 = Phillip Nicoletti
2.11.743 = Shane Mcelrath
2.12.461 = Malcolm Stewart

250 moto 2

2.18.550 = Levi Kitchen
2.19.286 = Haiden Deegan
2.20.518 = Ty Masterpool
2.21.043 = Casey Cochran
2.22.388 = Dilan Schwartz
2.23.007 = Max Anstie
2.23.073 = Daxton Bennick
2.23.108 = Ryder Difrancesco
2.23.154 = Tom Vialle
2.23.443 = Jo Shimoda

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7/13/2024 10:01pm

250 stats

Overall wins

4 = Haiden Deegan
1 = Ty Masterpool
1 = Chance Hymas
1 = Levi Kitchen

Overall podiums

6 = Haiden Deegan
4 = Tom Vialle
3 = Chance Hymas
3 = Levi Kitchen
2 = Ty Masterpool
2 = Jo Shimoda
1 = Casey Cochran

Race wins

6 = Haiden Deegan
2 = Chance Hymas
2 = Ty Masterpool
2 = Levi Kitchen
1 = Tom Vialle
1 = Jo Shimoda

Race top 3

12 = Haiden Deegan
8 = Levi Kitchen
7 = Tom Vialle
6 = Chance Hymas
4 = Jo Shimoda
3 = Ty Masterpool
1 = Casey Cochran
1 = Max Anstie

Laps lead

68 = Haiden Deegan
65 = Chance Hymas
29 = Levi Kitchen
22 = Tom Vialle
22 = Ty Masterpool
6 = Casey Cochran
3 = Mark Fineis
3 = Jo Shimoda

Fastest in practice

2 = Tom Vialle
1 = Levi Kitchen
1 = Casey Cochran
1 = Ty Masterpool
1 = Haiden Deegan
1 = Tom Guyon

Fastest lap of the race

5 = Haiden Deegan
4 = Chance Hymas
4 = Levi Kitchen
1 = Tom Vialle

Holeshot

5 = Haiden Deegan
3 = Chance Hymas
1 = Tom Vialle
1 = Nicholas Romano
1 = Coty Schock
1 = Levi Kitchen
1 = Ty Masterpool
1 = Casey Cochran

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7/13/2024 10:04pm

450 stats

Overall wins

4 = Jett Lawrence
3 = Chase Sexton

Overall podiums

7 = Hunter Lawrence
6 = Chase Sexton
4 = Jett Lawrence
2 = Aaron Plessinger
2 = Justin Cooper

Race wins

7 = Chase Sexton
6 = Jett Lawrence
1 = Hunter Lawrence

Race top 3

12 = Hunter Lawrence
11 = Chase Sexton
8 = Jett Lawrence
5 = Justin Cooper
4 = Aaron Plessinger
2 = Jason Anderson

Laps lead

77 = Jett Lawrence
55 = Hunter Lawrence
43 = Chase Sexton
29 = Justin Cooper
16 = Aaron Plessinger
6 = Jason Anderson

Fastest lap of the race

8 = Chase Sexton
4 = Jett Lawrence
2 = Hunter Lawrence

Fastest in practice

4 = Jett Lawrence
2 = Chase Sexton
1 = Jason Anderson

Holeshot

5 = Hunter Lawrence
3 = Justin Cooper
3 = Jett Lawrence
2 = Justin Cooper
1 = Phillip Nicoletti
1 = Jason Anderson

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7/13/2024 10:27pm

Full results

250 overall

1/1 = Levi Kitchen
3/4 = Haiden Deegan
9/2 = Casey Cochran
7/3 = Max Anstie
10/6 = Dilan Schwartz
12/5 = Ryder Difrancesco
2/17 = Tom Vialle
8/10 = Ty Masterpool
6/13 = Jordon Smith
15/8 = Julien Beaumer

Championship

314 = Haiden Deegan
263 = Levi Kitchen
260 = Tom Vialle
251 = Chance Hymas
231 = Jo Shimoda
214 = Ty Masterpool
162 = Pierce Brown
159 = Jalek Swoll
149 = Jordon Smith
147 = Ryder Difrancesco

450 overall

1/1 = Chase Sexton
2/2 = Hunter Lawrence
5/3 = Justin Cooper
3/5 = Aaron Plessinger
4/4 = Jason Anderson
6/6 = Dylan Ferrandis
7/7 = Christian
9/8 = Phillip Nicoletti
10/12 = Harri Kullas
8/15 = Malcolm Stewart

Championship

310 = Chase Sexton
297 = Hunter Lawrence
249 = Justin Cooper
239 = Aaron Plessinger
221 = Jason Anderson
210 = Jett Lawrence
204 = Dylan Ferrandis
185 = Malcolm Stewart
148 = Justin Barcia
136 = Christian Craig

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7/13/2024 10:41pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 11:07pm

The AMA needs to bring the hammer down on these lappers, this shit is ridiculous

Moto Braap wrote:

What would the penalty for a lapper be?  Make them go to last place lmao.

ILoveMoto wrote:

Send them to a moto training facility and teach them to go faster 😎

That would be a video game to not see riders pulling over basically to a stop to let the top 20+ by or they could just put the top 20 at the line to begin with.

In Supercross it’s like a dream to make the main event but then the loppers basically pull over too which is not very exciting and/or they would get castrated if they held anyone up even with only 20 riders at the gate.

I don’t know what’s more believable 40 riders that could be on the lead lap of a MX national, 20 in Supercross, or realizing that the top guys can lap everyone else a few times if needed with their blazing speed.  

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971_Fan wrote:
The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan...

The statement of yours that I originally replied to was, "RC won more that anyone in this sport's history and he never behaved like Deegan."  Not anything about interviews. 

You are correct that he never behaved like Deegan; he actually behaved much worse than Deegan by threatening to shoot not just one person, but two. 

I'm not going to get into a lengthy argument about hearsay and jurisprudence with you, suffice it to say, that you don't seem to understand the incredible weight credible testimony has in a court of law. It goes up tenfold when testimony is corroborated by other competent and credible eyewitnesses. 

You seem to be arguing in this thread with anyone that disagrees with you (it reminds me of someone who has been drinking) and since it's clear to me that you just don't like Haiden and aren't willing to have a reasonable talk, any further discussion is, at least for me, pointless.

You, as well as several others, have decided Haiden is bad fruit and that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. So instead of wasting any more time, I'll not hinder you from your dislike of Danger Boy. 

You have NO PROOF for claiming that RC threatened to shoot someone. You can repeat bullshit hearsay until you're blue in the face but you have...

You have NO PROOF for claiming that RC threatened to shoot someone. You can repeat bullshit hearsay until you're blue in the face but you have nothing to prove what you're saying and neither does Matthes

RC has admitted to that and apologized as well.

The racing is so tight it can be a kill or be killed attitude.  There’s only 1 #1 and the other rest losers or James said he’d die trying to win like your life and career depends on it.  Rags to riches or just rags.

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7/13/2024 10:53pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2024 10:55pm
Full results 250 overall 1/1 = Levi Kitchen 3/4 = Haiden Deegan 9/2 = Casey Cochran 7/3 = Max Anstie 10/6 = Dilan Schwartz 12/5 =...

Full results

250 overall

1/1 = Levi Kitchen
3/4 = Haiden Deegan
9/2 = Casey Cochran
7/3 = Max Anstie
10/6 = Dilan Schwartz
12/5 = Ryder Difrancesco
2/17 = Tom Vialle
8/10 = Ty Masterpool
6/13 = Jordon Smith
15/8 = Julien Beaumer

Championship

314 = Haiden Deegan
263 = Levi Kitchen
260 = Tom Vialle
251 = Chance Hymas
231 = Jo Shimoda
214 = Ty Masterpool
162 = Pierce Brown
159 = Jalek Swoll
149 = Jordon Smith
147 = Ryder Difrancesco

450 overall

1/1 = Chase Sexton
2/2 = Hunter Lawrence
5/3 = Justin Cooper
3/5 = Aaron Plessinger
4/4 = Jason Anderson
6/6 = Dylan Ferrandis
7/7 = Christian
9/8 = Phillip Nicoletti
10/12 = Harri Kullas
8/15 = Malcolm Stewart

Championship

310 = Chase Sexton
297 = Hunter Lawrence
249 = Justin Cooper
239 = Aaron Plessinger
221 = Jason Anderson
210 = Jett Lawrence
204 = Dylan Ferrandis
185 = Malcolm Stewart
148 = Justin Barcia
136 = Christian Craig

8/10 for Masterpool props since at the end of the start crash film you could see him in pain with his head down on his bike and if he could ride through that to a top 10 like after racing with appendicitis I can just imagine the hit he took that no one talked about.  I hope he’s ok for next week.

Same thing for Juju back for a top 10 after getting knocked out only a couple weeks ago.

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