Deegan vs de Wolf

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Title says it all, who do y'all think is the best 250 rider in the world right now?

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6/30/2024 5:03pm

Easy answer is Deegan.. and I can’t stand him. But he is the best 250 rider..  
aside, De Wolf wouldn’t be afraid to bang bars and i think the two are a match up we need to see 

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Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying Jett only won because Chase tucked the front too many times…. JFC people.  Then Vialle goes back and beats them at MXoN.  Give Tom the credit he’s earned as a 2 time WC.

Tom said last year that the AMA 250 class is no joke and he thinks stronger than MX2.

But, unless they race a series, we won’t know… I don’t like the results of a 1 off event used to claim who’s best…

 

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Press516 wrote:
Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying...

Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying Jett only won because Chase tucked the front too many times…. JFC people.  Then Vialle goes back and beats them at MXoN.  Give Tom the credit he’s earned as a 2 time WC.

Tom said last year that the AMA 250 class is no joke and he thinks stronger than MX2.

But, unless they race a series, we won’t know… I don’t like the results of a 1 off event used to claim who’s best…

 

Come on!  The Geerts/Vialle situation can't be compared to Jett v. Chase. 

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Press516 wrote:
Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying...

Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying Jett only won because Chase tucked the front too many times…. JFC people.  Then Vialle goes back and beats them at MXoN.  Give Tom the credit he’s earned as a 2 time WC.

Tom said last year that the AMA 250 class is no joke and he thinks stronger than MX2.

But, unless they race a series, we won’t know… I don’t like the results of a 1 off event used to claim who’s best…

 

Is that entirely wrong though. Geerts seemed to be the faster rider clearly. 

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6/30/2024 8:49pm Edited Date/Time 6/30/2024 8:50pm
Press516 wrote:
Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying...

Vialle won back to back MX2 world titles, but now you see posts that he only won because Geerts gave it to him….  That’s like saying Jett only won because Chase tucked the front too many times…. JFC people.  Then Vialle goes back and beats them at MXoN.  Give Tom the credit he’s earned as a 2 time WC.

Tom said last year that the AMA 250 class is no joke and he thinks stronger than MX2.

But, unless they race a series, we won’t know… I don’t like the results of a 1 off event used to claim who’s best…

 

Herr Lich wrote:

Come on!  The Geerts/Vialle situation can't be compared to Jett v. Chase. 

In your opinion….  I watched those seasons and occasionally Geerts had speed on Tom, just like occasionally Chase has speed on Jett.  Tom won and Jett won.

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6/30/2024 9:09pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2024 1:02am

if the race was in Europe id give it to de wolf, if in the USA Deegan,  the tracks are getting very different now, 

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decano51 wrote:
Easy answer is Deegan.. and I can’t stand him. But he is the best 250 rider..   aside, De Wolf wouldn’t be afraid to bang bars...

Easy answer is Deegan.. and I can’t stand him. But he is the best 250 rider..  
aside, De Wolf wouldn’t be afraid to bang bars and i think the two are a match up we need to see 

At the mxdn this year when captain america shows up.

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6/30/2024 11:35pm Edited Date/Time 6/30/2024 11:36pm

I still dislike HD, that bullshit he pulled after he crossed the line in the second motor was ....stupid. But his ride was awesome to watch. Bulldogging it around evert part of the track. 

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7/1/2024 12:08am
Bonanza69 wrote:

At the mxdn this year when captain america shows up.

Last year Hunter was easily better than vialle nearly everywhere in the nationals , but just mxdn vialle was long gone 

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scott_nz wrote:

if the race was in Europe id give it to de wolf, if in the USA Deegan,  the tracks are getting very different now, 

This is the most likely answer.

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7/1/2024 1:43am

If De Wolfe rode Southwick yesterday, Deegan wouldn’t have won the overall. 

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7/1/2024 1:59am

Pshhhh the wolf wouldn’t even be beating Hymas. Not even in the same area code as DNGR come on

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Bonanza69 wrote:

At the mxdn this year when captain america shows up.

Sounds like he want to race this year now that Star have said that they will support it again. 
 

Funny how it works with the teams saying that they won’t support it when the rider don’t want to race but as soon as a rider want to they are all in again…

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7/1/2024 4:28am

If De Wolfe rode Southwick yesterday, Deegan wouldn’t have won the overall. 

Not on a US spec ktm group bike. Can't even get traction on the ground on that pogo stick. 

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We will not know until MXON..

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7/1/2024 5:04am Edited Date/Time 7/1/2024 7:09am

THIS IS WHY WE NEED ANOTHER USGP! ADD A ROUND OF MXGP TO THE US NATIONALS CALENDAR AGAIN!

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If De Wolfe rode Southwick yesterday, Deegan wouldn’t have won the overall. 

Did you watch Southwick? Guessing not…

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twotwosix wrote:

THIS IS WHY WE NEED ANOTHER USGP! ADD A ROUND OF MXGP TO THE US NATIONALS CALENDAR AGAIN!

Hopefully they are still working on the integrated races.  Single races where both series race together and points are paid to each series...  

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7/1/2024 5:36am
Brad460 wrote:

Did you watch Southwick? Guessing not…

Have you seen De Wolfe ride the sand? Guessing not.

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Seems to me the des Nations at Matterley Basin is probably the most neutral grounds to find out. Plus when you mix in at least one of the Coenen brothers, the big winner is going to be the fans. 

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Brad460 wrote:

Did you watch Southwick? Guessing not…

Have you seen De Wolfe ride the sand? Guessing not.

A couple years ago you would have been saying the same about Vialle…

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moto111 wrote:
I still dislike HD, that bullshit he pulled after he crossed the line in the second motor was ....stupid. But his ride was awesome to watch...

I still dislike HD, that bullshit he pulled after he crossed the line in the second motor was ....stupid. But his ride was awesome to watch. Bulldogging it around evert part of the track. 

I must have missed it somehow, what did he do after he crossed the line?

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Pshhhh the wolf wouldn’t even be beating Hymas. Not even in the same area code as DNGR come on

This is delusional

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Pshhhh the wolf wouldn’t even be beating Hymas. Not even in the same area code as DNGR come on

This is delusional

There just isn't any way to know. We need a race mid season for both (Not post-season MXON) where we can see what they've got. 

Maybe Deegan smokes him and pulls 15 seconds on him at the end of a moto.

Maybe De Wolf goes full Herlings at Ironman and makes the entire class look like they are B riders. 

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Pshhhh the wolf wouldn’t even be beating Hymas. Not even in the same area code as DNGR come on

This is delusional

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There just isn't any way to know. We need a race mid season for both (Not post-season MXON) where we can see what they've got.  Maybe...

There just isn't any way to know. We need a race mid season for both (Not post-season MXON) where we can see what they've got. 

Maybe Deegan smokes him and pulls 15 seconds on him at the end of a moto.

Maybe De Wolf goes full Herlings at Ironman and makes the entire class look like they are B riders. 

We end up using MXoN as the measuring stick because we have nothing else...  I don't like it, a one off, non points race doesn't tell the story.  But it's what we have to work with so I get why it's always the talking point.

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7/1/2024 7:44am
Press516 wrote:
We end up using MXoN as the measuring stick because we have nothing else...  I don't like it, a one off, non points race doesn't tell...

We end up using MXoN as the measuring stick because we have nothing else...  I don't like it, a one off, non points race doesn't tell the story.  But it's what we have to work with so I get why it's always the talking point.

Makes me miss the few years we had some USGP.  

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de-who?

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The same people who think wolf would win are the same ones who said he wouldn't do shit at southwick. He uses his haters for motivation. 

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By next year this could say Lucas vs Deegan. In America I’ll give it to Deegan in the GPs probably still Deegan but maybe DeWolf. I don’t think absolute raw speed De Wolf is the quickest in the GPs where Deegan definitely is over here. 

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