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Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

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Looks like the "start" of the season is finally over for Jo. Time for Shimoda's classic late season charge! Woohoo

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6/29/2024 1:13pm

Damn, the Frenchmen gives up again Ughh c’mon Tom! He had Deegan covered. I don’t get it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Lappers caused all of that. Then he made a mistake.

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Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

Don't worry, he just needs a third year to learn the tracks and adjust to the weather...

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6/29/2024 1:14pm

pretty surprising Vialle is so inconsistent outdoors. 

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6/29/2024 1:15pm

Wow, what a race!

Congrats to Jo, bummed for Tom, and damn, what a comeback for Deegan!

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6/29/2024 1:15pm Edited Date/Time 6/29/2024 1:15pm
Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look shit outdoors  compared to the rest , who was the last rider to go well on one ?

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6/29/2024 1:15pm

Damn, the Frenchmen gives up again Ughh c’mon Tom! He had Deegan covered. I don’t get it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Lappers caused all of that. Then he made a mistake.

I just saw that. That sucks!

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6/29/2024 1:16pm

I’m in the infield crowd right now and Ive never seen fans going this crazy as when jo passed vialle. The entire crowd started jumping up and down in unison screaming and the dominican dudes next to me threw their hats across the crowd. Ppl were going fucking wild. That was friggin awesome. 

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Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

Must be why he beat Deeg’s for the SX title this year…

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Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

LOL!!!! Maybe just maybe he didn’t have to ride this hard before…but go ahead and continue making excuses for him…

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6/29/2024 1:17pm
Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

tomlopez wrote:

Don't worry, he just needs a third year to learn the tracks and adjust to the weather...

Would be interesting to see what would happen with reversed roles and Deegan riding that pogo stick of a ktm

Just blows my mind that a factory team couldn't set a bike up if their life depended on it 

Not saying vialle would be winning on a Yamaha but damn is it frustrating to watch that bike. Especially in contrast to how his bike looked at ernee last yr

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Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

vdrsnk04 wrote:

Must be why he beat Deeg’s for the SX title this year…

In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this season is going down for the ages.

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haiden stacking them pts up , at the rate hes going barring injury or mechanical dnf , he wrapping tht title up at dilla 

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Lappers had NOTHING to do with the reason Vialle lost. You MUST get by lappers to win and he just doesnt have any fight in him. Just doing a bunch of fast laps doesnt win championships. 

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6/29/2024 1:18pm

Damn, the Frenchmen gives up again Ughh c’mon Tom! He had Deegan covered. I don’t get it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Lappers caused all of that. Then he made a mistake.

I just saw that. That sucks!

Yep. If you re-watch, when they were showing Jo/Haiden on the lap that Jo goes by, look farther ahead on the track and you'll see flashes how long Tom was stuck behind a guy.  Brutal. 

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6/29/2024 1:19pm

Would have been interesting if Jo got a start in the first one 

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Nice shot of a couple of USAF flight crew enjoying the day.Smile

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Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

tomlopez wrote:

Don't worry, he just needs a third year to learn the tracks and adjust to the weather...

crusty_xx wrote:
Would be interesting to see what would happen with reversed roles and Deegan riding that pogo stick of a ktm Just blows my mind that a...

Would be interesting to see what would happen with reversed roles and Deegan riding that pogo stick of a ktm

Just blows my mind that a factory team couldn't set a bike up if their life depended on it 

Not saying vialle would be winning on a Yamaha but damn is it frustrating to watch that bike. Especially in contrast to how his bike looked at ernee last yr

It’s always been the way there the best bike in Europe and probably the worst ( of the factory bikes ) in US , if you had an offer for star , pro circuit , factory Honda and ktm , who’s taking the ktm ? 😂

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64smoker wrote:
Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look...

Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look shit outdoors  compared to the rest , who was the last rider to go well on one ?

I often say that the rider make for how the bike looks. 
 

I don’t know how much the american ktm team(s) is the problem and how much the riders is.

Sexton complained about his Honda and now about his KTM so i would not use him as a example.

I know that the US based teams like to set up the suspension harder and closer to a SX setting than the GP teams, and Tom might struggle with that. 

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Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

vdrsnk04 wrote:

Must be why he beat Deeg’s for the SX title this year…

tomlopez wrote:
In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this...

In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this season is going down for the ages.

nah I disagree fam , even tho its a regional title everybody use tht to glorify tht Jett has won x number of titles in a row so therefore u gotta give everybody credit for winning a sx regional title no matter the circumstance , but thts just imo 

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devotid wrote:
Lappers had NOTHING to do with the reason Vialle lost. You MUST get by lappers to win and he just doesnt have any fight in him...

Lappers had NOTHING to do with the reason Vialle lost. You MUST get by lappers to win and he just doesnt have any fight in him. Just doing a bunch of fast laps doesnt win championships. 

Yes almost landing on a lapper and suddenly losing 5 seconds did nothing. 

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6/29/2024 1:21pm

It seems really naive to think that 5 races into a season managing the championship and settling is the play instead of getting the points you can. A mechanical or a dnf and the lead is gone. Deegan looks like he's pushing but not riding over his head. 

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6/29/2024 1:21pm
Motofinne wrote:

It is completely insane if Deegan wins this. Vialle, WHAT are you doing???

Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

64smoker wrote:
Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look...

Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look shit outdoors  compared to the rest , who was the last rider to go well on one ?

I think Zacho was the last guy to make a husky or ktm work outdoors. In 2017. Since then I don't think anybody has even been too 5 in points on one 

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6/29/2024 1:22pm
Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

vdrsnk04 wrote:

Must be why he beat Deeg’s for the SX title this year…

tomlopez wrote:
In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this...

In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this season is going down for the ages.

Uh right. Everyone knows SX is where the money is. Ask all the riders who choose only SX. But I agree, mx is where it’s at tbh.

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vdrsnk04 wrote:

Must be why he beat Deeg’s for the SX title this year…

tomlopez wrote:
In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this...

In 5 years, nobody will give two shits about that regional title that he won by 4 points... Deegan's performance in a real national series this season is going down for the ages.

stewie94 wrote:
nah I disagree fam , even tho its a regional title everybody use tht to glorify tht Jett has won x number of titles in a...

nah I disagree fam , even tho its a regional title everybody use tht to glorify tht Jett has won x number of titles in a row so therefore u gotta give everybody credit for winning a sx regional title no matter the circumstance , but thts just imo 

You're right, my fired-up opinion is more in response to people who still bring up Vialle winning 250 east SX this year, as if that cancels out the fact that he's been getting absolutely owned by Deegan in the great outdoors, which everyone on Vital typically respects as the "real" series for "men".

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devotid wrote:
Lappers had NOTHING to do with the reason Vialle lost. You MUST get by lappers to win and he just doesnt have any fight in him...

Lappers had NOTHING to do with the reason Vialle lost. You MUST get by lappers to win and he just doesnt have any fight in him. Just doing a bunch of fast laps doesnt win championships. 

Yes almost landing on a lapper and suddenly losing 5 seconds did nothing. 

Are you proving my point for me? 

 

Thanks?

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6/29/2024 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 6/29/2024 1:24pm
64smoker wrote:
Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look...

Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look shit outdoors  compared to the rest , who was the last rider to go well on one ?

Tumic wrote:
I often say that the rider make for how the bike looks.    I don’t know how much the american ktm team(s) is the problem and...

I often say that the rider make for how the bike looks. 
 

I don’t know how much the american ktm team(s) is the problem and how much the riders is.

Sexton complained about his Honda and now about his KTM so i would not use him as a example.

I know that the US based teams like to set up the suspension harder and closer to a SX setting than the GP teams, and Tom might struggle with that. 

I think the positive changes they have make are for supercross and the bikes suffered outdoors , understandable ad so is  where the money is , but it’s no coincidence who’s gone to the ktm team recently and performed ? 

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Tumic wrote:

Well, he has not been him self since he left France. 
 

A two time world champion should not get rubber legs on this track.

64smoker wrote:
Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look...

Not making any excuses ( I couldn’t care who wins, as long as we see good racing )  but them Austrian bikes in the USA look shit outdoors  compared to the rest , who was the last rider to go well on one ?

crusty_xx wrote:
I think Zacho was the last guy to make a husky or ktm work outdoors. In 2017. Since then I don't think anybody has even been...

I think Zacho was the last guy to make a husky or ktm work outdoors. In 2017. Since then I don't think anybody has even been too 5 in points on one 

ZachO did it again on the 450 in 2020.

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